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2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys???
    #16178835 - 05/03/12 09:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The first flush (PESA) came along just fine.  I dunked for 4 hours last Thursday evening and drained overnight.  I've been fanning and misting, and occasionally harvesting the ones that needed harvesting.  But I haven't seen a "2nd flush bloom" yet.  While harvesting, I've noticed some of my fruit bodies are looking rather sickly.  Is this too much misting? 


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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: Bluemookie]
    #16178927 - 05/03/12 09:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

How long did you consolidate for the first flush?  I can still see dirt - was the first flush good?


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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: Zlpqlz]
    #16178979 - 05/03/12 09:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Have you been heavily misting the fruits directly? I see a lot of aborts in there.


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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: Bluemookie]
    #16179010 - 05/03/12 09:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Looks like not enough FAE and WAYYYYYYYY to much misting!!!!


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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: MagicCarpetRide89]
    #16179052 - 05/03/12 09:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Looks like not enough FAE and WAYYYYYYYY to much misting!!!!



QFT^

Also, next time, wait until every inch is white with myc before introducing to fruiting conditions (and if you want REALLY optimal results, wait a week after full colonization to allow for consolidation of your myc network).

Finally, in that third picture, what is that blue/green spot next to the largest fruit body?


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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: MagicCarpetRide89]
    #16179062 - 05/03/12 09:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

1st flush consolidated for 14 days.  I went to fruiting when I saw pins.  I mist and fan in the morning, and when I get home from work at 5:30, I mist every 2 hours and fan every hour.  I figured if I wasn't getting any standing water, and no water pools were collecting in the bottom, then it couldn't be waterlogged, could it?

I am new to tubs.  This is my second.  My first broke apart after the first flush, so I don't have any experience with how long a 2nd flush takes and what to expect.  I just did what I was told.  Harvest the big ones and leave the little ones and dunk. 

I'll hold off on the misting, but like I said, I give it a 60 second fanning with a huge foam core board every hour. 

The first flush was inconsistent.  New pins appeared every day.  I was harvesting every day for about a week.  I honestly couldn't tell when to stop.  Yes, it was an MS noc.  I haven't made it to agar yet.

What should I do, other than tone down the misting?  Should I pic all the aborts off and then wait?  What do I do next?

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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: Bluemookie]
    #16179110 - 05/03/12 09:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'd pick the aborts before they rot... beyond that I recon I'd wait and see if a TC pops their head in here with a more reliable perspective.


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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: OH1Ogrown]
    #16179121 - 05/03/12 09:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

idk if this is the results of misting, it might be thou. i think this might be from your dunk,did you submerge the substrate or did you let it float?

the pinns you left on might havve been part of the first flush or you have overlaping flushes, maybe they were just to bigg to dunk.:shrug:

i only replace the water that was lost from the first flush and let the sub float in it, if it doesnt stick to the bottom that is :tongue:


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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: Bluemookie]
    #16179172 - 05/03/12 09:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



So, just pick the really dark ones?  Is there really that many?  How do I know I'm not picking off a pin that will develop into a full body shroom?  And I used dowels to keep the sub held down during the dunk.  I harvested all the ones that were bigger than 1/2" and left all the pins.  Yeah, very uneven pin set.

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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: Bluemookie]
    #16179249 - 05/03/12 10:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The black headed ones are no good.


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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: OH1Ogrown]
    #16179353 - 05/03/12 10:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

there's not to many i would cut off with the exception of the 3 larger one in the forground and obviously the 2 that are "unveiled",also pick just the smallest blackest pins, the darker redish caps are still gunna grow IMO.


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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #16180541 - 05/04/12 06:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Last night, those pics were taken right after a misting.  Here they are the next morning.  Does my problem still look like too much misting?  What should I do next?  Should I pick off the aborts?  Which ones do I pick off and what do I do with them?  Are they considered rotten?  Not the aborts, I mean.  The ugly motherfuckers.


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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: Bluemookie]
    #16180666 - 05/04/12 07:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That is one crazy looking tub...

*BUMP* this for the pros...

Dear God that is one nasty looking mess.

I'm so sorry about your babies brother.


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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: OH1Ogrown]
    #16180904 - 05/04/12 09:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Alright, I guess the best option is to cut everything off and let it sit.  I did dunk it a week ago, but I haven't had enough growth to demand another dunk, plus I've been misting too much, apparently.  I don't know if these aborts and ugly fuckers are safe to eat, so if I don't hear back by the end of the day from a TC, I'll probably flush them down the drain. 

They what?  Do I tape back up the holes and wait for more new pins?  Keep the poly in and wait for new pins?  Do I keep fanning every hour or so while waiting for pins?  I would be more upset, but the first flush brought in over 3 oz, and I have another tub of B+ that is set to pin any day, plus another 7 jars of GT ready to spawn when this tub is done.

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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: Bluemookie]
    #16180942 - 05/04/12 09:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Don't tape your holes back up. Just leave the polyfil in. And you don't have to fan every hour. Maybe like about four times a day should be good. Your tub should start to recover in about a week or so (maybe even sooner). It just depends on how saturated it is. If you don't see any conatms before your tub gets a chance to come back to life, you should be fine. A quick question for you though. How did you pull off 3 zips on your first flush with all the misting you were doing? And you didn't have any problems then? Your substrate must have been very forgiven the first time around. It's a good thing though that you found out now that you were misting entirely to much. Other wise, your other tubs would of ended up looking like this one. Live and learn


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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: MagicCarpetRide89]
    #16180975 - 05/04/12 10:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well, check out the thread...

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16127728

The beginning of the flush was uneven and tiny fruits.  I knew I was giving it enough FAE, so why were the fruits so small?  I concluded that there might not be enough moisture, so I amped up my misting.  The shrooms grew larger, but that probably would have happened no matter what, I guess.  I'll clean off the tub and fan it a few times a day and lay off the misting for the weekend and see what happens.  Wish I knew which pins should be left behind and which need to go.  Guess I'll take them all off.  Throw them away, right?

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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: Bluemookie]
    #16181016 - 05/04/12 10:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Your sub doesn't look all that to healthy in that pic either. Maybe you moisture contents is to much:shrug: Did you use Damions50/50?


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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: Bluemookie]
    #16181036 - 05/04/12 10:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think you might have a case of bacterial blotch.. be careful buddy. Check the contamination thread and search bacterial blotch


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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: Bluemookie]
    #16181063 - 05/04/12 10:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Bluemookie said:  I don't know if these aborts and ugly fuckers are safe to eat





LOL that made my day!

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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: GimpCollector]
    #16181096 - 05/04/12 10:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If its bacterial blotch they are safe to eat when dry. You want to chance a live bacterial infection so be careful


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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: FunguSphere]
    #16181135 - 05/04/12 11:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Okay, so let's just assume I have bacterial blotch.  Let's start with what I'm doing wrong.  Is it okay to mist fruits?  I've heard so much misinformation about misting.  I have a fine mist sprayer and I spray about 4 feet above the tub and let the mist come down.  I mist for about 15-20 seconds.  All the caps look shiny and wet.  When I check back in 60-90 minutes, they appear dry, usually.  This last part of the week, the little fuckers decided to turn on me. 

So, what's the consensus on misting nowadays?  Do you mist only up until you have pins and then stop?  Others say to just mist the side walls.  I've read posts from RR I think that say in nature, mushrooms survive direct exposure to rain, so it's silly to think that misting the fruits directly is in any way harmful.  What say you, fellow shroomers?

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    #16181162 - 05/04/12 11:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: GimpCollector]
    #16181184 - 05/04/12 11:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not even sure how you would mist around cakes, considering the mist comes out in a cloud, but this is a mono tub, so there's no perlite to mist directly.

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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: Bluemookie]
    #16181196 - 05/04/12 11:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

YIKES! I was reading two different threads one mono tub, one Jars. I'm gonna delete my post, as it's irrelevant.

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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: GimpCollector]
    #16181734 - 05/04/12 01:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'd say stop misting , only mist before you fan and make sure the droplets on the pins evaporate . And only fan 5 times a day max probly , you need to keep the RH up . Just leave your monotub alone and let nature run its course. NURTURE is the key word. Good luck . :thumbup:

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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: hostile_kid]
    #16181806 - 05/04/12 01:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's important to remember that misting is to replace evaporated water, not to actually water the mushrooms like a plant.  Misting the side of the tub is a good idea, although Cubes are used to getting rained on, so small amounts are just fine.

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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: StygianKnight]
    #16193624 - 05/07/12 05:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Stopped misting.  They got better.  First picture is from yesterday afternoon.  Second pic is from this morning.  I'll harvest the rest and dunk tonight. 


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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: Bluemookie]
    #16193646 - 05/07/12 06:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

they look much better, but im not sure if dunking is necessary - if you misted excessively the substrate might be moist enough

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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: joyless]
    #16193676 - 05/07/12 06:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

My biggest problem right now is figuring out which are pins and which are aborts.  I plan on up-ending the cake onto another tub bottom and harvest the side and bottom clingers.  So, I have to sweep off the top, and I don't want to pull off pins if they're going to grow for me.  But yeah, it's not dry.

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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: Bluemookie]
    #16194136 - 05/07/12 10:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Just pick the ones that have turned black. And be careful when moving you sub


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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: MagicCarpetRide89]
    #16196554 - 05/07/12 07:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i don't if dunking the sub is a good idea but if you do just leave all the pins, thats the next flush.. But check the pins you might think are aborts in a day or two so they don't rot. The misting you did caused the caps to change color , and as you may know excessive misting DOES causes aborts. Just watch em. Also 2-3 hours is long enough for dunking. Don't mist after dunking cuz you already have pins. Sounds like things are getting better.

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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: hostile_kid]
    #16198657 - 05/08/12 07:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I harvested last night and dunked for 3 hours and drained for 12.  I tried uploading a pic, but I get the following error...

Your upload exceeds 20,971,520 bytes, or it may have timed out. Please check the size of your file(s) and try again.

Guess I have too many pictures uploaded?

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Re: 2nd flush gone bad? What's wrong with these guys??? [Re: Bluemookie]
    #16198909 - 05/08/12 08:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)



Eh.  I guess it was a Firefox issue.  I can still upload with IE.

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