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baddagger
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going to be starting my frist grow,
#16175849 - 05/03/12 09:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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well i just ordered 6 mad bags, and 2 spore syringes Mexican - MexiCube and teh z strain, now im going to go with 3ml in each bag ... is there anything speical i need to do when growing wiht grow bags, want to make sure i dont do anything stupid to screw up my frist grow
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Re: going to be starting my frist grow, [Re: baddagger] 1
#16175916 - 05/03/12 09:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Have you tried the search bar first?
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Re: going to be starting my frist grow, [Re: baddagger]
#16175923 - 05/03/12 09:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Use a lot less spore solution would be my first advice. Don't use spores at all with bags would be my second.
For a first timer, pf cakes are the superior alternative for lots and lots of reasons. Roger Rabbit covers the entire tek in his videos. Grain bags are sort of an intermediate-level technique, not ideal for new growers.
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Re: going to be starting my frist grow, [Re: Doc_T]
#16175979 - 05/03/12 10:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Use a lot less spore solution would be my first advice. Don't use spores at all with bags would be my second.
For a first timer, pf cakes are the superior alternative for lots and lots of reasons. Roger Rabbit covers the entire tek in his videos. Grain bags are sort of an intermediate-level technique, not ideal for new growers.
im using grow bags cause of were im living i dont have a lot of room and i dont want my roommates to see what im doing .. so im trying to keep it as simple as possible...
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Re: going to be starting my frist grow, [Re: baddagger]
#16175988 - 05/03/12 10:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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so if anybody has any advice on the best way to use the grow bags would be great.. and if someone i just goign to say do this instead of using a grow bag please dont waist my time and your cause that does not answer my question and im using grow bags
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Re: going to be starting my frist grow, [Re: baddagger]
#16176012 - 05/03/12 10:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Then use just a few drops of spore water in each bag (shake well first). Once you start to see growth, in 7-14 days, then massage it around a bit to spread the mycelium When (if ever) your bags are fully colonized, spawn to coir/verm/gypsum in a hybrid MSG.
But growing with roommates is an even worse idea than using bags for your first grow. If anything at all happens with a roommate that gets cops involved, you can legally have your stuff searched and seized.
All in all, I'd like to see you reconsider this entire plan. But I wish you luck no matter what you do. And please post pics! 
Edit- if I wanted to grow magic and didn't have full control of the premises, I'd do sclerotia in pf cakes.
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Re: going to be starting my frist grow, [Re: baddagger]
#16176035 - 05/03/12 10:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just keep the temps around 75F or so and 12/12 with the light. And don't keep them in a sealed container. You should be good. Are your bags the 1lb ones? Just out of curiosity. @ Doc_T, why do you say not to use bags with spore syringes? I've done this way before with no problem (except with the 3lb bags).
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With a purchased spore syringe, you have no control over the contents. Could be contaminated and ruin your bag. Also, bags are big and take a while to colonize, so starting them by g2g is advantageous. I'm sure people have done it successfully with spores, but I don't recommend it, especially for a newbie. I would recommend using just a few drops of spore water though, if you choose to use spores, to reduce the contam risk.
What happened with your 3lb bags? Stalled out and started stinking?
Edit- it's like deja vu all over again.
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Re: going to be starting my frist grow, [Re: Doc_T]
#16176098 - 05/03/12 10:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I can't say for sure what really happened to them. I did everything right but the bags never did anything. Didn't even contaminate. I even let them sit for like two.
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Probably did contaminate but you couldn't see it. Either way, it was a waste of time and money, right? That's what I'm trying to help OP avoid.
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i am using the one pound mad bags from mad season and i ordered my spores from lil shop of spores
ok so if i only use a little bit of liquid wich hey no prob on that be half.. can i take the rest of the syringe after injecting the grow bags change the needle and put the rest of it in a sterial 10ml vial and free it to save the rest of it?
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Re: going to be starting my frist grow, [Re: Doc_T]
#16176148 - 05/03/12 10:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah bags really need an LC/Agar to get going well, it can be hard for the spores to germinate. You can make an LC very easily, or mix up some agar.
It can be done with spores, I would recommend a few inoculation points in the bag over just one. One towards the bottom, middle and top. Keep that filter patch clean and away from the stuff in the bag.
Edit: Clean the needle, put the cap back on and put it back in the bag it came with. Then store it somewhere safe. It'll last for months.
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Re: going to be starting my frist grow, [Re: DrCrumbs]
#16176447 - 05/03/12 12:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Do not freeze spores!
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Re: going to be starting my frist grow, [Re: OH1Ogrown]
#16176588 - 05/03/12 01:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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why not i thought i read that with freezing them u will kill some of them but u will have enoff to grow with
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Re: going to be starting my frist grow, [Re: baddagger] 1
#16176618 - 05/03/12 01:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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LC from spores is dumb, since you don't know if the syringe is clean. 
Don't freeze your syringes. Do refrigerate them. And please take the time to use capital letters, punctuation, and correct spelling so we don't think you're a school kid.
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Re: going to be starting my frist grow, [Re: Doc_T]
#16176657 - 05/03/12 01:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well how is lil shop of spores for quality?
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Re: going to be starting my frist grow, [Re: baddagger]
#16176665 - 05/03/12 01:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Most sponsors are awesome! I personally prefer ralphsters.
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Re: going to be starting my frist grow, [Re: baddagger]
#16176668 - 05/03/12 01:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't know, my only commercial source for microscopy samples and live cultures is SporeWorks.
Also, read and follow the rules.
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Re: going to be starting my frist grow, [Re: Doc_T]
#16178975 - 05/03/12 09:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: I don't know, my only commercial source for microscopy samples and live cultures is SporeWorks.
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Re: going to be starting my frist grow, [Re: DrCrumbs]
#16179560 - 05/03/12 11:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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DrCrumbs said: Yeah bags really need an LC/Agar to get going well, it can be hard for the spores to germinate. You can make an LC very easily, or mix up some agar.
It can be done with spores, I would recommend a few inoculation points in the bag over just one. One towards the bottom, middle and top. Keep that filter patch clean and away from the stuff in the bag.
Edit: Clean the needle, put the cap back on and put it back in the bag it came with. Then store it somewhere safe. It'll last for months.
If i was to consider doing a lc, do u any good links that explains what a lc is? How to make one and all that, and how to use it after in my grow bag. Cause if it does not take a lot of time to be able to set it up and get stuff they i would give it a try if it will help incease my odds of not having any infections and getting a better grow
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Re: going to be starting my frist grow, [Re: baddagger]
#16179629 - 05/03/12 11:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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baddagger said: If i was to consider doing a lc, do u any good links that explains what a lc is? How to make one and all that, and how to use it after in my grow bag. Cause if it does not take a lot of time to be able to set it up and get stuff they i would give it a try if it will help incease my odds of not having any infections and getting a better grow
Come on man, for real? I'm not trying to be mean, but did you read the rules?
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OH1Ogrown said: Have you tried the search bar first?
Do you want us to come grow the shit for you too?
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Re: going to be starting my frist grow, [Re: OH1Ogrown]
#16179668 - 05/03/12 11:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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www.shroomery.org/4/Grow-Mushrooms
Look here. You'll find answers to most any question you might have. If not, try the search feature. Research research research. If the answers aren't there, THEN you ask.
It's only a big deal, because people like me DO use the search bar, and the more people keep asking the same Noob questions, the harder it is for me to find obscure info without wading through the million and a half What is an LC questions.
This isn't a hobby for lazy, impatient people.
Sorry, that's just the truth.
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Re: going to be starting my frist grow, [Re: OH1Ogrown]
#16181300 - 05/04/12 11:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yah man, use that search function, before I started doing any cultivation at all, I researched TONS before I made the step: laws, sterility, supplies and the technique used to grow.
There are literally thousands of ways to grow mushrooms, from putting spores on chainsaws oil, and sawing cuts into a tree and inoculating the tree.
You could use PF tek, yes or you could just go straight to monotubs. I don't think its really that PF tek is beginner friendly, I find perlite a pain, and its much easier to do a set and forget mono.
Just read everyday, I bought "the mushroom cultivator," "mycellium running," and "growing gourmet and medicinal mushrooms." I read all those books did a shit ton of reading on these forums and finally started, took about a month of steady reading, at it has paid off. Not a single contam, and great yields.
Good luck in the future man
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Re: going to be starting my frist grow, [Re: cmmenke]
#16181317 - 05/04/12 11:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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cmmenke said: Yah man, use that search function, before I started doing any cultivation at all, I researched TONS before I made the step: laws, sterility, supplies and the technique used to grow.
There are literally thousands of ways to grow mushrooms, from putting spores on chainsaws oil, and sawing cuts into a tree and inoculating the tree.
You could use PF tek, yes or you could just go straight to monotubs. I don't think its really that PF tek is beginner friendly, I find perlite a pain, and its much easier to do a set and forget mono.
Just read everyday, I bought "the mushroom cultivator," "mycellium running," and "growing gourmet and medicinal mushrooms." I read all those books did a shit ton of reading on these forums and finally started, took about a month of steady reading, at it has paid off. Not a single contam, and great yields.
Good luck in the future man
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That's what I'm talking about. But I made a "Use the fucking search bar!" thread, and the people there made me realise that not all people want to use the search bar. Hours of research and reading (I've been lurking in the shroomery for YEARS, literally) is the best way to learn before going hands on, no doubt. It can be argued though, that some people just don't learn that way. I'm sorry OP. I'll try not to be so fascist next time.
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Re: going to be starting my frist grow, [Re: OH1Ogrown]
#16197259 - 05/07/12 09:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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