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No more than 1 flush or what?
    #16167873 - 05/01/12 08:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ok I have a 50 gal tub with 2 silver baking pans that take up a 1/3 of the tub each. I placed the two trays side by side on the left side of the tub. I fanned 3 times daily and misted while no pins where showing each time I fanned. I harvested my first flush. It had a some aborts and the mushrooms where small. I did not have enough humidity is what im thinking. I used 1 1/2 pint Jar per tray with a 1 inch layer of verm casing. The mushrooms fresh where only about 3 inchs tall and a diameter on the cap only an inch or less. So after the first flush I misted the treys really well and placed a home made submersable water heater in a glass jar with a air pump pushing bubbles to create humidity. They tub looks well humidifyed now so I drilled holes in the lid to release and build up of water on the lid so it didnt soak the trays when opened. its been about a week now and i have seen nothing start flushing since my last harvest. What did i do wrong can anyone help me get another flush and bigger this time? my mycelium still looks very healthy and rich. I would post pics. but I have none at the moment. By the way the strain is b+ if that helps any. and from my understanding I should have harvested more than 130g fresh.

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: broodwar1989]
    #16167905 - 05/01/12 08:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What are you using for substrate and how did you prepare it? You said you only used one 1/2 pint jar per tray? That isn't going to yield very much.

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: Aedan]
    #16167927 - 05/01/12 08:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So you have just grain thats cased?

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: DrCrumbs]
    #16167940 - 05/01/12 08:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I used the mixture for verm and brf. then i broke up the spawn evenly in the middle of a 1 inch bottom layer and a 1 inch top layer with spawn in the center

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: Aedan]
    #16167948 - 05/01/12 08:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds to me like your sub maybe isn't deep enough. I shoot for 4 inches or so of substrate.

I'm also confused on how much sub you used. Was it 1 x 1/2 pint (so a total of a half pint) or was it 1.5 pints?


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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: broodwar1989]
    #16167955 - 05/01/12 08:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I prepared it with a 60 min pressure cooking tek just like the PF tek says. and it was 1 half pint jar so 1 x 1/2 pint.

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #16167956 - 05/01/12 08:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

a 2" substrate will work very well.

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: broodwar1989]
    #16167966 - 05/01/12 08:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

My flushes are over aren't they :sad:

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: broodwar1989]
    #16167981 - 05/01/12 08:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Probably not, but don't expect to get a shitload out of it. Give it a dunk and let it do its' thing.

And yes, a 2" substrate will work, but thicker subs can support bigger mushies. IME it maxes out at about 4-6 inches of sub.


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bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.

Edited by 36fuckin5 (05/01/12 08:45 PM)

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #16167987 - 05/01/12 08:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So I should dunk it? I thought misting very well did the same thing as dunking? Would you explain how this might help my second flush appear? I have never dunked and don't want to ruin chances of a potential second flush.

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: broodwar1989]
    #16168005 - 05/01/12 08:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Misting mostly provides humidity. Dunking puts moisture back into the substrate. Since mushrooms are mostly water, this is a good thing.

It will help the second flush appear because the rate of evaporation coming off of the substrate will help to induce that second pinset.


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Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #16168031 - 05/01/12 08:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ok you have convinced me to dunk it :P. Should I flip the casing onto the other side? (Upside down) or keep the side that has flushed facing upright to pin again? Also is there another way besides starting over with spores to start another culture. A quicker like maybe harvesting some mycelium from the casings?

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: broodwar1989]
    #16168059 - 05/01/12 08:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Don't flip it.

As for starting another culture, your options are to clone a fruit and use that or to use spores again.

I suggest to try cloning. Even if you fuck it up, you get experience and hopefully will figure out how you fucked it up. If you don't fuck it up, you'll likely (but not definitely) have a strain that fruits better than your MS culture.

Don't try to take myc from the sub to start a culture. It's not clean enough.

My favorite way to clone is to start on agar, isolate then drop a piece in LC and then use the LC to inoculate some grain. You could also clone straight to grain or LC, but these don't give you the option to clean up the culture should it get contaminated. Agar does.

This may take some reading on your part to get it right but it will be worth it in the end.


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Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #16168096 - 05/01/12 09:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Alright I will have to read up on cloning but I think I can do it. At least I gained something from this. I did not know the sub needed to be at least 2" thick. It probably was not even an inch thick. So I know what I will have to do next time to get monster fruits :P it just takes a lot of waiting lol.

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: broodwar1989]
    #16168175 - 05/01/12 09:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Patience is definitely key here.

IMO, your sub should be at least 4" thick.


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Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #16168202 - 05/01/12 09:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Alright. How long from start to finish would you say it takes a 3lbs mycobag with rye berries or verm/brf mixture will take to colonize on average with 3ccs of b+ spores injected into them. I have never used mycobags but have been very interested.

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: broodwar1989]
    #16168249 - 05/01/12 09:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That's a question that can't really be answered. It depends on a lot of factors.

A general rule of thumb is to not ask for timelines. Your culture will grow as fast as it can in whatever conditions you give it. But with Cubes, if any step takes a month, you should start asking questions.


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Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #16168276 - 05/01/12 09:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you for all the helpfull tips 36. I know I am a noob grower but I hope to soon possess the knowledge you carry.

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: broodwar1989]
    #16168287 - 05/01/12 09:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

On friday I order my mycobags and will keep you posted through the whole process :laugh: I just got a new digital camera :smile:

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: broodwar1989]
    #16168299 - 05/01/12 09:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No problem. And don't expect to gain it soon, but it'll come quicker than you think it will. Once it clicks in your head, you'll be able to grow Cubes in your sleep.


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A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #16168301 - 05/01/12 09:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If you want monster fruit you should transfer your grain to pasteurized horse manure. In my experience it is the cheapest and easiest substrate you can prepare and yields amazing.

Edit: I even mix the colonized rye berries into the pasteurized manure with my bare hands and it grows perfect with no contamination every time.

Edited by Aedan (05/01/12 09:46 PM)

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: Aedan]
    #16168340 - 05/01/12 09:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Lol I have been trying for a couple months now and have dealt with some cantams and other issues. This was my first successful grow and I really loved watching through the whole cycle and next time I will improve once more. I know knowledge is gained over a course of time and no matter what you can never have enough knowledge in any subject. This is my subject, I love the science of it and totally enjoy the whole process. I will stuff my brain until it explodes ^.^

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: broodwar1989]
    #16168430 - 05/01/12 10:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Haha. Yeah the hobby of growing is just as enjoyable as the finished product. I consider growing an art and you get to develop and expand your own technique. Once you find what works best though you tend to stick with it. My technique is to sterilize a few pints of rye berries and inoculate them, then transfer to manure. It's very easy once you learn what you're doing.

My reasons for using manure:

*Free (craigslist, local stables etc) or very cheap
*Super food for mushrooms. They grow HUGE.
*Mushrooms grow on it naturally
*Harbors thermophilic bacteria which prevents contamination after pasteurization
*incredibly easy to prepare

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: Aedan]
    #16168471 - 05/01/12 10:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I agree the manure sounds very efficient. I will have to try using a manure mycobag along with a ryeberry mycobag so I can view the difference. That will be a very interesting project :smile: thanks for the great ideas guys!

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: broodwar1989]
    #16168539 - 05/01/12 10:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's best to start with grain first and then transfer to manure as a bulk substrate. It is more of a buffer than a primary substrate. This is the tek I reference for manure preparation:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/723303/an/0/page/5

Anyway best of luck :thumbup:

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: Aedan]
    #16168696 - 05/01/12 10:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry for the double post but I have one more quick thing to add. When using manure you can use anywhere from 1:2 parts grain to poo up to 1:10 parts. I usually use 1:3 so it's 25% grain and 75% manure. The more spawn you use the faster it will colonize.

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: Aedan]
    #16168878 - 05/01/12 11:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, don't try to just inoculate a manure bag with spores or LC. It won't work. You need to colonize some kind of grain spawn first, and then transfer that into the poo.


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Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #16169257 - 05/02/12 01:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What I do for minibulks is to use tupperware and keep the lid. When a flush is over fill the tupperware to the top with water covering everything including the casing layer on top. Put the lid on. Leave for 12-24 hours (depends on strain, something you learn with time) and then empty out the water by opening up a side of the lid and pouring out the water... all out. I get at least 5 flushes this way.


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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: ALTERED.STATES]
    #16170239 - 05/02/12 09:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Im not shooting for mini bulk here. I think you misunderstood. I said I have a 50 gal tub. I plan on taking the pans out of the sequence and just using the tub and filling it about a 1/4 full using a 1" verm casing base and 4" of sub then another 2" of verm top layer. Using the casing to humidify itself.

I will also be trying the manure tek on the side. Maybe I can move it in slowly with the cycle I already have going now.

Edited by broodwar1989 (05/02/12 09:37 AM)

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: broodwar1989]
    #16170669 - 05/02/12 11:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ah okay, I thought you had smaller trays inside your FC. That's what I do. Lots of smaller trays, in my case tupperware, easy to take one out and dunk it, or all out and dunk them. If it was all together as one in one big 50gal tub it would make it more complex but not impossible. Good luck.

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Re: No more than 1 flush or what? [Re: ALTERED.STATES]
    #16176082 - 05/03/12 10:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thank u. it will be pretty complex but i think ill do just fine with it. it should work out all right i will order mycobags tomorrow and noc them then im off to a good start. im thinking ill use 4-5 x 3lbs mycobags as substrate and that should provide plenty sub to the casing.

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