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hpoo with bugs in it
    #16166746 - 05/01/12 04:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Planing on doing an outdoors grow in a sgfc type tub in a day or two that I've been keeping my hpoo in. There's bugs and worms in it atm should I get rid of the critters before I spawn to it or will it be OK?

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Re: hpoo with bugs in it [Re: zato]
    #16166799 - 05/01/12 04:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

if you have kept the manure dry,bone dry then there shouldn't be any bugs or worms in it.if you've stored your manure before it was dry i think bugs will be the least of your worries,molds/bacterias are probably present in abundance aswell. i dont pasteurize any of my outdoor bulk....but in your case i think i might pasteurize, before you get the wise idea to start sprayin insecticides on it.:evil:


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Re: hpoo with bugs in it [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #16166834 - 05/01/12 05:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

LOL no insecticides I was planing on bucket tek pasteurizing

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Re: hpoo with bugs in it [Re: zato]
    #16166850 - 05/01/12 05:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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ROGERRABBIT: P cubensis will grow on stuffed animals, bibles, quarter pounds of weed, bras, etc.
In other words,it's hard to fuck up a cube grow.
RR

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Re: hpoo with bugs in it [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #16166939 - 05/01/12 05:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

As long as there aren't a ton of  bugs in you're poo you should be fine.  When you pasteurize the poo, you're also pasteurizing the (dead) bugs.  They shouldn't affect your grow.

Now, if your poo is crawling with bugs, you may just want to age it a while longer.

I've been shredding poo before pasteruzing before and noticed a few small beetles crawling through it, or maybe a few ants and I've never had any problems.

Also, you have to think, even if you had old poo that is completely dry, there's still probably dead bugs in it anyway.

So...  As long as it's very few bugs, then no worries :super:

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Re: hpoo with bugs in it [Re: Project]
    #16167068 - 05/01/12 05:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you cant pastuerize poo with the bucket tek, that only works for coir since coir has so little nutes and is so resistant to contams.

on a side note i just used poo with some bugs that worked fine and ive used wbs with bugs, they dont hurt anything as long as theyre prepared correctly.

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Re: hpoo with bugs in it [Re: the_hatter]
    #16167093 - 05/01/12 05:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Check out the Horse Poo Tek in my signature for how to pasteurize it.  I use the pillow case method just because I've had success with it before. 

And just think...  There's bacteria in bugs just like there's bacteria in poo.  If you pasteurize it all, it's the same difference.  Unless you're bulk substrate was like 10% bug matter or something haha

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Re: hpoo with bugs in it [Re: the_hatter]
    #16167105 - 05/01/12 05:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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you cant pasteurize poo with the bucket tek, that only works for coir since coir has so little nutes and is so resistant to contams.
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could you link me to this profound information you received on the matter please.:confused:


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ROGERRABBIT: P cubensis will grow on stuffed animals, bibles, quarter pounds of weed, bras, etc.
In other words,it's hard to fuck up a cube grow.
RR

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Re: hpoo with bugs in it [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #16167680 - 05/01/12 07:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's called manure boys and girls.

For an outdoor grow, simply spawn to the manure in a shallow hole or trench in the ground.  don't use a fruiting chamber and there's no reason to pasteurize the manure, bugs or not.
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Re: hpoo with bugs in it [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #16171271 - 05/02/12 01:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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you cant pasteurize poo with the bucket tek, that only works for coir since coir has so little nutes and is so resistant to contams.
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could you link me to this profound information you received on the matter please.:confused:



lol why are you being all assy about this????  have you ever once seen a successful grow where someone bucket tekked their manure?

ive seen it stated many times by many people.  thats why its called a coir tek not a bulk pasteurization tek.  and the bucket tek doesnt even work for coir for me. i only use it for verm/peat. the problem is the heat isnt very even and cant be maintained at a temperature you choose.  you get partial sterilization and on the parts that didnt get hot enough still have shit that can grow now onto the parts that got so hot it killed everything.  either that or it just doesnt get hot enough for long enough to do the job.

i was pretty lazy so i didnt look too hard its not specifically about poo but you should get the idea of why it wont work from what he says:
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hamloaf said:
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Well, lots of people pointed out that coffee grounds just don't work well in damion's coir tek. The bucket and boiling water tek, so I never got around to adding that.

I did however notice that my local shop sells those worm castings for cheap cheap cheap!

How well would they work in the coir bucket tek? Or should I just pick up some autoclavable bags while I'm there and just go with that from now on, with the thermometer stuck down in it and all that?



Adding additives besides gypsum to Damion's coir tek using only the bucket and boiling water method is a fail.  The reason the coir used in Damion's coir tek works with the boiling water method alone is because animal substrate coir is untreated with trichoderma unlike it's sister coir, the agricultural coir.

Any time you add additives to the Damion coir tek, you will need to properly pasteurize your additives and manures separately from the coir/verm in the in the 5 gallon bucket with boiling water.  To put it in your words, " pick up some autoclavable bags while I'm there and just go with that from now on, with the thermometer stuck down in it and all that."  Quart jars can be used in the place of spawn bags to pasteurize your manures and additives in.  You may already have some quart jars around from previous grows, use them.  Once your manures and additives as well as your coir/verm have cooled to room temperatures you may now proceed to spawn your colonized grains to your bulk substrate materials and additives.



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Re: hpoo with bugs in it [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #16171294 - 05/02/12 01:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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It's called manure boys and girls.

For an outdoor grow, simply spawn to the manure in a shallow hole or trench in the ground.  don't use a fruiting chamber and there's no reason to pasteurize the manure, bugs or not.
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Re: hpoo with bugs in it [Re: psilocybeMAN]
    #16171464 - 05/02/12 02:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yeah wasnt disagreeing with that or suggesting they pasteurize and create extra work for themselves.  i was just a bit indignant at how my advice was responded to.

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Re: hpoo with bugs in it [Re: the_hatter]
    #16171665 - 05/02/12 02:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

sorry hatter i didnt mean to come across as assy.lol
my questioning was mostly about coir being so resistant to contams.
why wouldn't manure be just as if not more contam resistant than coir due to its beneficial microbial content if pasteurized correctly?

ive never used a bucket to pasteurize anything you got me there.but i have used a cooler in the same fashion with both manure and coir with success,i would boil a pot of water,let it cool to just under 180F and pour into the cooler,since the cooler is insulated the temp stays very much the same over a period of a few hours,plenty of time for proper pasteurization to occur.so i guess i haven't had any success with a bucket tek because ive never tried.:shrug:


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ROGERRABBIT: P cubensis will grow on stuffed animals, bibles, quarter pounds of weed, bras, etc.
In other words,it's hard to fuck up a cube grow.
RR

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Re: hpoo with bugs in it [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #16172047 - 05/02/12 04:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

no worries :smile: i had never really thought about using a cooler, i bet that keeps the heat really well.  what i meant by coir being resistant to contams is that if left alone nothing will grow on it, they make rugs to wipe your feet on out of it that get all wet but never mold and they used to think it didnt have any nutritional content.  in fact coir used to be used as a casing material.  and i sometimes leave my extra hydrated coir substrate in bags for months and nothing grows on them and they still work fine after being pasteurized.

although youre right its probably inaccurate to say its "resistant" to contams and it wasnt my intention to imply that its harder for contams to grow on it.  they just dont seem to without the introduction of spawn.  but you are correct once manure is properly pasteurized it seems resist contamination quite well.  not sure which is better as far as actual resistance though.

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Re: hpoo with bugs in it [Re: the_hatter]
    #16172545 - 05/02/12 05:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I collect local dried cow poo and have found several bugs. However, I pasteurize and cook the shit out of them. Hasn't detoured my several successful tubs


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Re: hpoo with bugs in it [Re: the_hatter]
    #16172691 - 05/02/12 06:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The idea was not to pasteurize but to kill the bugs living in the manure. Not sure what type of bugs they are but I think they are called earwigs.

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Re: hpoo with bugs in it [Re: zato]
    #16172697 - 05/02/12 06:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Just step on it then.. Set it on fire and step on it. lol


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