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 Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit 
#1616617 - 06/07/03 12:44 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok, so you're in hell because of all the "evil" shit you've done.
You did all that "evil" shit because the devil told you to, right?
So when you get to hell, why would Satan torture you?
You carried out his bidding, and listened to that Twisted Sister record or whatever it was and now he's going to torture you?
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 Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: Learyfan]
#1616660 - 06/07/03 01:19 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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EVIL is LIVE backwards... I'm sure someone here can attribute some meaning to that.
livE vs. dooG... that battle continues.
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: Learyfan]
#1616682 - 06/07/03 01:33 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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satan tortures you when you go to hell because that's what he does - He's EVIL, remember? He'll lure you down to Hell and when you get there ready to party he'll start kicking your ass
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: Strumpling]
#1616704 - 06/07/03 01:51 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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If we're into S&M, pleasure piercings, and the whole bondage thing... will we be sent to heaven instead?
*presses -PLAY- on the latest Marilyn Manson cd...*
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 Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: Sclorch]
#1616780 - 06/07/03 02:50 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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EVIL is LIVE backwards... I'm sure someone here can attribute some meaning to that.
LOL, I'm saving that one for the local bible-pushers.
I think the concept of the Devil is a fable created to make us feel more alienated from Nature and our true selves.. Our true selves are beings that Do What They Will, which is dangerous to those in charge. You can't just have people running around doing what they will! That's just crazyness, not to mention satanic.
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: Adamist]
#1616832 - 06/07/03 03:20 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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LOL, I'm saving that one for the local bible-pushers.
Just hope English is their primary language.
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: Learyfan]
#1617135 - 06/07/03 07:01 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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DEVIL EH ????????
HE LIVED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are wrong if you think he is EVIL...
He is LIVE !!!!!!
He is on the same team..
The majority is wrong.
They all have it BACKWARDS !!!!!!!!!
[ But don't jump on the "god" is evil then Bandwagon. For that is untrue as well. ]
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: Learyfan]
#1617466 - 06/07/03 11:40 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: World Spirit]
#1617588 - 06/08/03 12:49 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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you can't have good with out evil, so i guess you can't have god without satan. The idea of some red asshole with horns and a pitchfork is certainly bullshit, but evil is very much real. The notion of satan is just an attempt to give evil a face and a name. It would probably be more acurate to say george bush is Satan than to say satan is some red asshole who live's to bring you to hell so he can torment you for eternity.
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: thestringphish]
#1617596 - 06/08/03 12:53 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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you can't have good with out evil, so i guess you can't have god without satan
This assumes that god is good, which I do not believe to be the case. God is neither good nor evil. Good and evil are things that can only be experienced subjectively. They are of no consequence for god.
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: Sclorch]
#1617624 - 06/08/03 01:18 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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"If we're into S&M, pleasure piercings, and the whole bondage thing... will we be sent to heaven instead?"
Certainly 
lol man don't listen to me though I'm a joking athiest
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 Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: silversoul7]
#1617627 - 06/08/03 01:21 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I believe "Satan" to represent the dark things mankind is capable of. By attaching a face and origin to the awful things we can do, it helps gives us control over them by confronting those emotions in a way we can reject them. It is comfortable for people to cast down on something if it's labeled "evil", however, as it is most often the case, things aren't really so black & white, which is why we have so many problems with morallity. It's as if we are trying to control our behavior on a grand scale by denying ourselves of "impure thoughts".
If you look at the creation story, it's Satan which tempts our species to "know" of good & evil. That right there explains how we are capable of murder, at least from a Bibical sense. I believe "God" (or whatever you want to call "It") to be amoral, and that all the immoral things that we do are catalysts for us to change ourselves by. The point, at least I believe, is for us to shed our "evil" by understanding ourselves so we are only peaceful and loving and no longer need to do negative things. That's the way I see it at least.
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: Twirling]
#1617630 - 06/08/03 01:23 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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uh huh, debating god and the devil is like hitting yourself in the head with a crowbar. it gets you nowhere fast and is unproductive.
Edit: my spelling skillz have increased (27)!!!
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: spiritshaper]
#1617650 - 06/08/03 01:44 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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so if DEVIL is LIVED then is GOD DOG? 
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: Strumpling]
#1617656 - 06/08/03 01:50 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Heh, or maybe the DOG STAR?
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: Strumpling]
#1617661 - 06/08/03 01:54 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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You don't go to hell because you did EVIL shit, it's because you choose to do EVL shit.
Drugs are out there, alcohol, sex, everything...well those are, as I call them. the devils' temptations, very tempting arn't they ?
You choose to be with the devil, then that's your decision.
I truley beleive that if you are a good person inside you will not go to hell. No matter what you do, if your soul is good, then thats it, you're fine.
I hate talking about god and the devil, makes me think about death, and I don;t like death.
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: MistaSmokupalot]
#1617669 - 06/08/03 02:01 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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where's the line between heaven and hell?
and are they always fighting on the borders?
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: Strumpling]
#1617686 - 06/08/03 02:18 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dont know if I am correct but wasnt Lucifer banished from Heaven because he though differently on how things should be ran? Like going against God's plan and rules and shit? Lucifer wasnt evil but just though differently and God didnt like that and sent him packing.
Take the D out of Devil = Evil
Take the 1 O out of Good = God
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: RiderGZ]
#1617693 - 06/08/03 02:23 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lucifer is just an archangel who decided to take matters into his own hands. There is no hell, except for the one you create for yourself, in your mind. He acts as a balancing force for the physical universe. Nirvana and Hell are simply mind states. Lucifer just happens to favor the pleasures of the flesh more than spirit.
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: World Spirit]
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: ]
#1618036 - 06/08/03 09:57 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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hell is what you make of it. evil lies only in those who live.
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: MistaSmokupalot]
#1618258 - 06/08/03 11:50 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Drugs are out there, alcohol, sex, everything...well those are, as I call them. the devils' temptations, very tempting arn't they ?
yes... all these things are BAD... just listen to the preacher blessing the troops as they go off to kill and maim the "enemy" in the name of jesus......yes.... we have it all "right".
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: World Spirit]
#1618311 - 06/08/03 12:17 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's your choice whether you want to do good things and create good karma. It's another thing if you want to be mean (ie evil) and do things that create very, very ugly karma.
Karma is neither good or bad, its a neutral principle that governs energy and motion of thought and deed.
"In the highest sense, there is no good or bad karma. All experience offers opportunities for spiritual growth. Selfless acts yield positive, uplifting conditions. Selfish acts yield conditions of negativity and confusion."
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: Cougheeman]
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: World Spirit]
#1618546 - 06/08/03 02:58 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok, if you use the informal statement then yes. I was thinking you were using the Hinduism & Buddhism def. In its true Hindu rooted form, there is no positive, negative forms; it is just karma. Einstein's statement does explain the law of Karma, every action has a opposite and equal reaction; but since karma is a necessary condition in life it can be neither good nor bad.
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#1618576 - 06/08/03 03:12 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Drugs are out there, alcohol, sex, everything...well those are, as I call them. the devils' temptations, very tempting arn't they ?
yes... all these things are BAD... just listen to the preacher blessing the troops as they go off to kill and maim the "enemy" in the name of jesus......yes.... we have it all "right".
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i never really bought into the whole devil hell thing...
i think they're is balance..
and if there is some supreme being...wouldn't it play both roles?
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: Cougheeman]
#1618634 - 06/08/03 03:35 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Einstein's statement does explain the law of Karma, every action has a opposite and equal reaction;"
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Wasn't that Newton? AKA His Third Law?
[* Edit- He was the one who got struck in the head by the fallen "apple"... As the story goes... ]
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: Strumpling]
#1618644 - 06/08/03 03:38 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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"...then is GOD DOG?"
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That may have merit if you make an important conceptual consideration:
Man's best Friend !!!
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: Deiymiyan]
#1618852 - 06/08/03 05:05 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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yup it was.
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: Cougheeman]
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Ouch
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: silversoul7]
#1619939 - 06/09/03 03:12 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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This assumes that god is good, which I do not believe to be the case. God is neither good nor evil. Good and evil are things that can only be experienced subjectively. They are of no consequence for god
Nope, this assumes that god is no more than a word or a generalization for Good, and the devil is no more than a word or a generalization for evil. Good and evil both exist, the are the same thing, just diferent ends of the spectrum so to speak, like oposite poles on the same magnet. God is the name give to one end of the spectrum, good, Satan given to the other, evil. Good and evil are nothing more than manifestations of our own consciousness, as are god and satan. To think of god a a bearded figure in the clouds is false. God is everything, as is Satan.(again, these are only words for universal concepts) God is just the "good" side in everything, Satan the "bad" or "evil". Moreover, There is no such thing as good and evil it is all relative to he who precieves the good/evil. One person could see tourturing infants as evil, someone else could see it as good. Niether is right or wrong. There is no good or evil, there just IS. anything more than that is a matter of subjective preception. So in that sense, God is not good or evil, god just is, same with satan. Generally speaking, most people have an opinion as to what they consider good and what they consider evil. While this differes from person to person, the one remaining constant is that what one precieves as good in some way becomes their god.(I don't mean anything that's good, like ice cream, i'm going a little beyond that, but i'm trying to keep this relatively short) This is why satan worshipers hold satan (just a name for evil, really) as thier god, and the christian god as the evil being, the bad. In the same way, Christian's Hold their redeamer to be god and satan to be the bad one, the evil. Niether side is right or wrong. They just are.
This being said, you can not have good with out evil/god without satan just like you can not have a magnet with a positive pole and no negative pole, you can not have an in without an out, an up without a down, a back without a front, and so on. When you say these are of no consequence for god you are only correct if you are thinking of god as the all being one rather than god being the mighty power/creator of the universe. God is not that, God power itself, creation itself. God is everything and is one, as many have experienced in some way while tripping. This would mean that god and satan are one and the same. are good and evil and nothing and everything at the same time.
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#1620961 - 06/09/03 02:10 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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...Now that's just blasphemy.
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Re: Another reason why the concept of the devil is bullshit [Re: Adamist]
#1622537 - 06/09/03 10:40 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I want more! 
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