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Ram Dass / Tim Leary Debate
    #16164040 - 05/01/12 03:45 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

This is new... check out Alpert's face when Leary says, "you use the word God." :lol:





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Re: Ram Dass / Tim Leary Debate [Re: Middleman]
    #16165969 - 05/01/12 02:07 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Seems to me Leary projected his own negative connotations he has attached to God. Pretty quirky interview though.

Agreed with what Alpert says about social change coming from the bottom up. Reminded me of a project I want to check started on the Shroomery connected with Change.org.


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Re: Ram Dass / Tim Leary Debate [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #16165986 - 05/01/12 02:09 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I saw two egos battling for supremacy. :haha:


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Re: Ram Dass / Tim Leary Debate [Re: Middleman]
    #16166336 - 05/01/12 03:18 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

your knew avatar is maximum ridiculousness, i love it :discorex:

great find :pipesmoke:

Ram Das tore him a new one imo


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Re: Ram Dass / Tim Leary Debate [Re: Middleman]
    #16166917 - 05/01/12 05:18 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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This is new... check out Alpert's face when Leary says, "you use the word God." :lol:








How much energy does Leary have here? My goodness! He just starts talking about anything and he gets the crowd rolling right along with him. The right man for change indeed. Could have been a real bad dude and instead he more or less wasted his life fighting the good fight.


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Re: Ram Dass / Tim Leary Debate [Re: Kickle]
    #16167043 - 05/01/12 05:44 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I'll side with Leary here. Everyone is welcome to recreate their own version of Christianity, but the christians continue to torment and damage their kids with their institutions and the missionaries still force their evil hand in non-western countries, all in the name of christ. Paganism is freedom, christianity is oppression. Those of us who know of the pot smoking, mushroom munching Jesus would all be rounded up and burnt on a large fire by these christians if they could. Everything is war.


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Re: Ram Dass / Tim Leary Debate [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #16167069 - 05/01/12 05:47 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

:rolleyes: everything isn't war


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Re: Ram Dass / Tim Leary Debate [Re: g00ru]
    #16167075 - 05/01/12 05:48 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

On some level it is. A war for life.


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Re: Ram Dass / Tim Leary Debate [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #16167083 - 05/01/12 05:49 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

And what does any of that have to do with Alpert's use of Jesus, the mushroom-munching Jesus?


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Re: Ram Dass / Tim Leary Debate [Re: Kickle]
    #16168151 - 05/01/12 09:17 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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On some level it is. A war for life.




a struggle for life maybe, the game of life maybe.  There's no need for murder which is what war implies to me  :hippie:


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Re: Ram Dass / Tim Leary Debate [Re: g00ru]
    #16168220 - 05/01/12 09:30 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Everything I eat has to be killed first but we justify this. Justifying killing is big component of war.


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Re: Ram Dass / Tim Leary Debate [Re: Kickle]
    #16168395 - 05/01/12 10:00 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Your eyes are open lad.


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Re: Ram Dass / Tim Leary Debate [Re: Icelander]
    #16168459 - 05/01/12 10:12 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Ut oh.


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Re: Ram Dass / Tim Leary Debate [Re: Kickle]
    #16168536 - 05/01/12 10:24 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Everything I eat has to be killed first but we justify this. Justifying killing is big component of war.




well, you could be a vegetarian.  and there's a difference between killing and war...even in a peaceful society, killings might still occur, but the total mechanized warfare that we see today (and the attitudes that come with it) would be beautifully absent.


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Re: Ram Dass / Tim Leary Debate [Re: g00ru]
    #16168640 - 05/01/12 10:41 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I see mechanized war on animal and plant life alike. Stopping killing in one regard could be seen as a step in the right direction I suppose, but if that's really what is valued then it ultimately leads to the Jains path of eating only the fruit which has died naturally.

Yum, half-rotted fruit on a good day.


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Re: Ram Dass / Tim Leary Debate [Re: Kickle]
    #16168650 - 05/01/12 10:43 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

yeah well Jains are pretty legit and awesome.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not above a little warfare, I just thought it was a little dramatic to say that everything is war.


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Re: Ram Dass / Tim Leary Debate [Re: g00ru]
    #16168663 - 05/01/12 10:45 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

:shrug:

Even the Jains are at war IMO.


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Re: Ram Dass / Tim Leary Debate [Re: Kickle]
    #16168779 - 05/01/12 11:11 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

How so? They live a nonviolent lifestyle.


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Re: Ram Dass / Tim Leary Debate [Re: g00ru]
    #16168801 - 05/01/12 11:15 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

They're at war with their human nature, sometimes going so far as to starve their body and killing themselves and at the least causing suffering for their body.


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Re: Ram Dass / Tim Leary Debate [Re: Kickle]
    #16168886 - 05/01/12 11:34 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I hear ya, they live a radically ascetic lifestyle that I assume puts their bodies in a lot of pain and danger. Some might say it's overkill.


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