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MichiganGrower
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Micropore Tape After Inoculation?
#16158063 - 04/29/12 11:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok so I'm officially starting my first grow of some cubensis however I'm a little confused on when to add the micropore tape. I didn't have the money for any other filter option since I stretched my budget to the max for my initial cost.
so with that said. I just finished pressure cooking without taping the holes. just trip layer of foil.
so the question is do I put the tap on after I inoculate or what?
thank for any help.
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I drill holes and put the tape on before I PC. When the jars cool off they suck a bit of air back in. I'd rather it be filtered through the tape than have it sucked in unfiltered at the edge of the lids.
If you've got a dry verm layer you should be fine though.
Swab the tops with alcohol, flame your needle, poke through and inject, put a piece of tape over the hole when you pull the needle out.
If you've got a dry verm layer the tape is just extra precaution.
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Re: Micropore Tape After Inoculation? [Re: Beefy1]
#16158165 - 04/30/12 12:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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personally i use a tyveck(i believe) painters outfit, a couple squares of that between the jar top and the securing screw on ring. it works perfectly, and a entire body sized suit is about 4 bucks and will last for lots of jars.
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Re: Micropore Tape After Inoculation? [Re: Pan cyan Fan]
#16158993 - 04/30/12 06:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks where do you get your tyvek outfit for 4 bucks? I've seen the as low as $50 lol...at $50 the tape seemed pretty awesome... lol
So the verm layer is the filter layer?
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Tyvek paper is free at the post office.
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Re: Micropore Tape After Inoculation? [Re: livenotonevil]
#16159017 - 04/30/12 07:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I recently did a dozen pf jars, some with just the verm , and some with the verm plus a double layer of pore tape over each hole. If anything, the jars with the pore tape finished ahead of the others, FYI
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Re: Micropore Tape After Inoculation? [Re: Lifted1]
#16159029 - 04/30/12 07:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Micro Pore tape is used as an extra barrier upon sterilizing your Substrate jars... keeping water out of the Dry Vermiculite layer, because if it were wet then it would be a gateway for contaminates to enter your substrate.
After sterilizing its fine to Inoculate through, or even take off.
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Re: Micropore Tape After Inoculation? [Re: DynGBreeD]
#16159031 - 04/30/12 07:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree, but I used it as an added protection and saw no negative results.
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Re: Micropore Tape After Inoculation? [Re: Lifted1]
#16159037 - 04/30/12 07:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lifted1 said: I agree, but I used it as an added protection and saw no negative results.
I used my dick to tape the jars and it had no negative results.
Your logic is circular. It's good cause it's not bad.
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Re: Micropore Tape After Inoculation? [Re: livenotonevil]
#16159102 - 04/30/12 07:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ah, another pointless and arrogant post from the master of ignorance himself. 
The purpose of stating that there were no negative results, is to illustrate that although it is thought that maybe the tape would slow the jars due to lack of GE, I found it not to be true. Therefore, if Op would like to put the tape on after inoculation, it can aid as a filter, without hurting his growth speeds. That is my opinion and experience.
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Re: Micropore Tape After Inoculation? [Re: Lifted1]
#16159154 - 04/30/12 07:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Seeing as we are arguing now... Is micro pore tape not used to allow FAE of GE in the first place. Your statement was reiteration of why we don't use duct tape. I don't know or have ever heard anyone state micro pore tape slows down anything. Obvious is Obvious.
I use tyvek anyway. It's free.
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Re: Micropore Tape After Inoculation? [Re: livenotonevil]
#16159168 - 04/30/12 08:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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in RR's lets grow mushrooms video, it says to put on micropore tape, but then they inoculate with a needle straight through it, and don't put anything else over the holes produced by poking through...
The tape helps to prevent water entering the jars during sterilization. By using breathable tape, there is no need to remove it-simply inject right through the tape.
You don't 'have' to use tape. In addition, you can use tape and skip the verm barrier if you wish. Using both provides an extra layer of protection. RR
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Re: Micropore Tape After Inoculation? [Re: Lifted1]
#16159191 - 04/30/12 08:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fungus_monk said: The tape and foil are both unnecessary after sterilization, do not add more tape as it will limit ge.
Here is just one quote I quickly found. I didn't just pull the idea out of my ass. If it's being said in one place, it's being said elsewhere.
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Re: Micropore Tape After Inoculation? [Re: Lifted1]
#16159213 - 04/30/12 08:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lifted1 said:
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Fungus_monk said: The tape and foil are both unnecessary after sterilization, do not add more tape as it will limit ge.
Here is just one quote I quickly found. I didn't just pull the idea out of my ass. If it's being said in one place, it's being said elsewhere.
Your the shit man!
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Re: Micropore Tape After Inoculation? [Re: Lifted1]
#16159230 - 04/30/12 08:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Micro pore tape will just add a little more GE compared to say using masking tape, even after your done and a hole is left through the tape.
Just tape the holes with either masking tape or micro pore before you PC. Then inculcate through the holes. You can can add micro pore again afterward but I wouldn't bother (use a dry verm layer), they will colonize quicker without replying it.
Edited by DrCrumbs (04/30/12 08:24 AM)
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Putting the micropore tape on after inoculation is a little bit like putting on a condom after sex. Use it before sterilization. RR
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Re: Micropore Tape After Inoculation? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#16159282 - 04/30/12 08:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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agreed Rabbit, @michigan: or you could just skip the tape/dry verm all together and use felt and rtv silicon next time you get $5. 
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Re: Micropore Tape After Inoculation? [Re: RogerRabbit] 1
#16159465 - 04/30/12 09:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Putting the micropore tape on after inoculation is a little bit like putting on a condom after sex. Use it before sterilization. RR
This totally holds true, but in the long run it ultimately doesn't matter when you choose to lie the tape down, RR.
If you place tape down prior to inoculation you still have to either prick the tape or lift it to insert the needle into the hole.
In the event that the lid is loosened prior to sterilization, this further supports why it wouldn't matter whether or not tape is applied considering "unfiltered" air can leak in through the edges as the jars cool inside the cooker.
By placing micropore tape over the holes you guarantee that less to no contaminants enter the jar during the two to five weeks of gas exchange.
For someone who might have a damp, or wet top layer of verm (on accident) this could spell disaster! The tape ensures that the cake you have spent you hard time working on has a lowered chance of loss...
Edited by xenzaka (04/30/12 09:37 AM)
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Re: Micropore Tape After Inoculation? [Re: xenzaka]
#16160018 - 04/30/12 12:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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xenzaka said:
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RogerRabbit said: Putting the micropore tape on after inoculation is a little bit like putting on a condom after sex. Use it before sterilization. RR
This totally holds true, but in the long run it ultimately doesn't matter when you choose to lie the tape down, RR.
If you place tape down prior to inoculation you still have to either prick the tape or lift it to insert the needle into the hole.
In the event that the lid is loosened prior to sterilization, this further supports why it wouldn't matter whether or not tape is applied considering "unfiltered" air can leak in through the edges as the jars cool inside the cooker.
By placing micropore tape over the holes you guarantee that less to no contaminants enter the jar during the two to five weeks of gas exchange.
For someone who might have a damp, or wet top layer of verm (on accident) this could spell disaster! The tape ensures that the cake you have spent you hard time working on has a lowered chance of loss...
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xenzaka said:
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RogerRabbit said: Putting the micropore tape on after inoculation is a little bit like putting on a condom after sex. Use it before sterilization. RR
This totally holds true, but in the long run it ultimately doesn't matter when you choose to lie the tape down, RR.
If you place tape down prior to inoculation you still have to either prick the tape or lift it to insert the needle into the hole.
In the event that the lid is loosened prior to sterilization, this further supports why it wouldn't matter whether or not tape is applied considering "unfiltered" air can leak in through the edges as the jars cool inside the cooker.
By placing micropore tape over the holes you guarantee that less to no contaminants enter the jar during the two to five weeks of gas exchange.
For someone who might have a damp, or wet top layer of verm (on accident) this could spell disaster! The tape ensures that the cake you have spent you hard time working on has a lowered chance of loss...
Thank you.... all I'm saying is that it doesn't hurt, and can only help.
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Re: Micropore Tape After Inoculation? [Re: Lifted1]
#16160493 - 04/30/12 01:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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First an formost thanks for all the help.
secondly... lets please be adults...arguing over something stupid like useing tape for anything is just silly and childish. I'm assuming only adults post in this message board so please lets conducts are selfs accordingly. EVEN if your right or wrong. Just share your opinion no need to bash the others while doing so. I'm pretty laid back and don't like negative people (not to say you are. we all get roud up once in a while :P)but for future post please lets respect each other regardless of what someone says unless they are directly attacking you. Thanks.
thanks for the response RR. As dumb as it sounds. It feel like a celeb responded to my thread :p What is your opinion on the extra layer of protection for my situation?
situation: i'm using 4oz jars. (was a little medicated when i went to the store) and while i was inoculating I realized that some of the verm was getting some of the MS solution from the syringe on it while I was applying pressure. I see that I'm to keep verm layer dry but I'm afraid I didn't accomplish this on a few of the injections. so I put the tap on it for i guess a extra safety measure.
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