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 mjshroomer
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 Audubon's panaeolina foenisecii Photograph 
#1612420 - 06/05/03 05:35 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi,
I just wanted to bring to one's attention the bad photo reproduction in the Audubon Field Guide for mushrooms.
This picture posted below is the hay Makers or hay mowers shroom kn0nw as panaeolina. While this is the mushroom, most of Lincoffs photographs inthe guide are all off color and very baly so if I may say so. I use to recommend this book becasue of the quantity of pictures in it but the quality is realy bad for id. Dozens of images are off-color and could be deadly to someone not knowning what they are looking for.
HEre is Lincoffs photo of panaeolina foenisecii
This is laebeld as photo number 26 with a generic description on page 606.,
I also wanted to mention that the knopbby looking cap in the image is remiscent of a collection identified for me by Tjakko Stijve as Panaeous olivaceus, however the olivaceus I collected also was banded otr zonate as the P. subbs and the foenisecii's.
mj
The brown color is not right for the genus, especoially the shiny slimy look on the caps.
mjshroomer
Of course there are a lot of P. foenisecii photos spread around the shroomer which chow the bands of color.
mj
mjshroomer
Edited by mjshroomer (06/05/03 05:38 PM)
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 MagmaManiac
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Re: Audubon's panaeolina foenisecii Photograph [Re: mjshroomer]
#1612490 - 06/05/03 05:59 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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yup. thanks for brining that up
HE IS RIGHT ^^^^^^^
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angryshroom
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 Re: Audubon's panaeolina foenisecii Photograph [Re: mjshroomer]
#1613270 - 06/05/03 10:14 PM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, that is a pretty bad representation of them...
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 Re: Audubon's panaeolina foenisecii Photograph [Re: mjshroomer]
#1613791 - 06/06/03 02:10 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wouldn't be surprised that the mushroom pictured in Audubon could be a different species than what it was labeled.
While I would still recommend the Audubon field guide for someone to use in mushroom hunting, the book was written several years ago. At that time there was little info (compared to today) on the psilocybe containing species. Especially the panaeolina group. I'm sure this caused a lot of the confusion as to the psycho-activity of panaeolina foeniscii. Some claimed it was active, others that it was not. (I believe Mj wrote an article dealing with this matter a few years ago). We now know panaeolina foenisecii is not considered acitve, while they're are others in this genus that are active, that also resemble and grow in the same type habitat as panaeolina foenisecii.
It would be great if Audubon would up-date their field guide.Especially if they include more of the magic species.  Or just have a completely different book : "The Audubon Society Field Guide to Psilocybe Producing Mushrooms and Their Look-alikes That Confuse the Hell Out Of Everybody ".
Do you think I should get that title copyrighted? 
doo
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Re: Audubon's panaeolina foenisecii Photograph [Re: doo]
#1614157 - 06/06/03 07:38 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes doo, I also noticed that there is little or no accurate info on psilo species in the traditional books, especially regarding toxicity. I would love to get my hands on a guide that does describe the psilo species, perhaps even a guide that can advise as to activity of shrooms. Is there anyone who could point me in the right direction?
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mjshroomer
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Re: Audubon's panaeolina foenisecii Photograph [Re: koraks]
#1614160 - 06/06/03 07:43 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Both of my books were pioneers int hat field of dosage. My Magic Mushrooms of the Pacific northwest provided clicical dossages for many species in 1976.
In 1978 I made the Safe-Pik guide with dosages. This was followed by Haard and Haard's Hallucinogenic and Poisonous Mushrooms book. They gave dosages for P. stuntzioi and liberty caps.. The stragight field guides will not contribute to the drug subculture by putting in dosages for drug users to utilize.
As I mentioned, Lincoff also edited the Simon and Schulster Guide at the same time he did the Audubon guide and Simon and Schulster would not allow him to even put a single Psilocybe image into their book.
mj
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Gumby
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Re: Audubon's panaeolina foenisecii Photograph [Re: mjshroomer]
#1614398 - 06/06/03 10:49 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, thats a pretty craptastic pic of Pan foens. The sun had already destroyed the color on the caps.
No good 
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Re: Audubon's panaeolina foenisecii Photograph [Re: Gumby]
#1614464 - 06/06/03 11:37 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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I noticed that many of the pictures int he guide tend to have a yellow bronzz color to them indicationg the color separationint he printing was out of alignment.
mj
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Gumby
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Re: Audubon's panaeolina foenisecii Photograph [Re: mjshroomer]
#1614497 - 06/06/03 11:57 AM (20 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, I've got quite a few pictures in my book where you can tell the printing was messed up.
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