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Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help
    #16137559 - 04/25/12 10:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I am growing in a Rye Spawning bag, post my injection of spores does it require me to do anything else for them to get to harvest? The bag I purchased contains rye berries and a mixture of distilled and mineral water fortified with gypsum, diammonium phosphate, along with some other nutrient enhancing herbs and minerals. I know I need to ensure the temperature and keep them humid during fruiting but is there any other steps required? Sorry, this is my first time and I've read about different methods but I'm not sure what to do if I'm looking for the highest yield but not wanting to get in to deep since I'm a noob. If anyone has any advice or knowledge about this topic I would truly appreciate you help.

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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: TruVision]
    #16137582 - 04/25/12 11:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: Retrovertigo]
    #16137622 - 04/25/12 11:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I know that spawn bags are cheating. I'm just trying to do this one step at a time. I figured that if I can watch them grow and learn a little then move up to doing my own mixtures. Its a sterilized 3lb bag. I have spores and I just need to know:

1) Can I grow to fruit in bag.

2) If I want a higher yield should I use a casing method

3) What medium should I use for casing

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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: TruVision]
    #16137901 - 04/25/12 12:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

TruVision said:
I know that spawn bags are cheating. I'm just trying to do this one step at a time. I figured that if I can watch them grow and learn a little then move up to doing my own mixtures. Its a sterilized 3lb bag. I have spores and I just need to know:

1) Can I grow to fruit in bag.

2) If I want a higher yield should I use a casing method

3) What medium should I use for casing





1) No, you cant fruit directly on grain

2) Forget casing

3) My opinion is to get the spawn bags, wait until its 100% colonized then mix it with verm/coir in which no PC is needed.


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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: GodSpores]
    #16137909 - 04/25/12 12:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Unless using LC or G2G, 1lb will give you much better results. Anything more and they take forever to colonize.

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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: GodSpores]
    #16137986 - 04/25/12 01:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

GodSpores said:
Quote:

TruVision said:
I know that spawn bags are cheating. I'm just trying to do this one step at a time. I figured that if I can watch them grow and learn a little then move up to doing my own mixtures. Its a sterilized 3lb bag. I have spores and I just need to know:

1) Can I grow to fruit in bag.

2) If I want a higher yield should I use a casing method

3) What medium should I use for casing





1) No, you cant fruit directly on grain

2) Forget casing

3) My opinion is to get the spawn bags, wait until its 100% colonized then mix it with verm/coir in which no PC is needed.




You can fruit rye you just have to add a casing layer because they don't hold moisture very well. Most will reccomend spawning to bulk tho.


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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: mushmagic]
    #16139116 - 04/25/12 06:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I was thinking the spawn to bulk idea sounded good also. I have been on here reading damn near since posting the question lol. With that method do I need to sterilize the coir+verm mix or is it fine to add as is? Then also how would you recommend I break up the original [(cake?) i think that's the right term] to distribute it through the new spawning material? I had read that you can also cook the spawning materials in an oven, is that true? Mostly because I do not have a PC. I guess to reorganize this my questions are:

1) Do i need to sterilize the new coir+verm mix to do spawn to bulk?

2) Can I (if needed) sterilize by using an oven or other heating method?

3) How do I separate and mix the original colonized Spawn with the new substrate?

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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: GodSpores]
    #16139148 - 04/25/12 06:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Godspore, I think you were saying something about the spawn to bulk method also, right? You had mentioned no PC is needed is that because Verm and Coir are just ready out of the bag or do I need to prepare them?

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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: TruVision]
    #16139175 - 04/25/12 06:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: TruVision]
    #16139179 - 04/25/12 06:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

TruVision said:
Godspore, I think you were saying something about the spawn to bulk method also, right? You had mentioned no PC is needed is that because Verm and Coir are just ready out of the bag or do I need to prepare them?





To prepare coir/verm you need to pasteurize it. This is done by adding boiling water to a closed container with the substrate and let it sit for a few hours. No pc is needed. Use the search function, it's a noobs best friend! :fasted:


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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: GodSpores]
    #16140050 - 04/25/12 10:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you so much bro. Your insight is truly appreciated.
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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: TruVision]
    #16140164 - 04/25/12 10:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

A word of advice, a lot of people first starting out put a lot of emphasis on keeping the temperature up. The mycelium starts producing it's own heat as it colonizes. That's particularly important to consider when doing large spawn bags. You'll want to keep the temperature low, even below  normal room temperature if possible to keep the inside of the substrate from getting very warm and supporting growth of bacteria.


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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: GodSpores]
    #16144845 - 04/26/12 10:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I do have one more question. I have searched and searched, but how many times can I spawn to bulk of the same batch? It would be cool if I could just keep running a "sea of green" method with the spawn. I wasn't sure if that is possible? As in spawn to bulk but put a smaller portion of the spawn in a smaller container to then spawn to bulk that container, so on and so on?

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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: TruVision]
    #16145447 - 04/27/12 12:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Search "grain to grain"


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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: fungusapien]
    #16145507 - 04/27/12 01:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

how many quarts of spawn would a fully colonized three pound bag be?

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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: inoculate]
    #16145552 - 04/27/12 01:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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how many quarts of spawn would a fully colonized three pound bag be?



Theyre typically a quart per lb.


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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: GodSpores]
    #16152105 - 04/28/12 05:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

hey everybody. I just inoculated my bags. I was wondering, I massaged the bag to try to evenly distribute the spores, Is that bad? Should I not have done that? Did it ruin my bags? Also is there a max amount of spore solution that I should have injected into the bag? What is the minimum?

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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: TruVision]
    #16152165 - 04/28/12 05:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah... You weren't supposed to do that. they may still colonize, but you probably slowed it down. You don't mix anything up till they are 25%-35% colonized. As long as it doesn't cause standing water in the bag you're fine. Otherwise a minimum for a bag that size should be about 2ml, and it should be inoculated at more than one point also.

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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: Diesel_Dawg]
    #16152352 - 04/28/12 06:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

is there anything I can do to ensure that I didn't screw it up? I do have more spores can I inject those into the bag to help or is that a bad Idea? Would you just say let it sit? Do you have any idea what the odds are that it will still colonize even with me having done that?

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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: TruVision]
    #16232296 - 05/14/12 10:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well it seems they were fine. I now have the bags about 20-30% colonized and they look wonderful. I am stoked, I avoided a huge issue. Thanks everybody for all the advice. I will submit some pics when they get a bit further along. Again thanks for the help.

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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: mushmagic]
    #16232304 - 05/14/12 10:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

When I spawn to bulk with these is 50/50 verm/core ok? and how much sub to spawn ratio should I do?

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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: TruVision]
    #16232408 - 05/14/12 10:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Not to hijack a thread, but what's the best spore syringe CC ration to oz/lb of rye/grain/etc?


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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: trulyknotmadly]
    #16268633 - 05/22/12 04:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I did 10cc. It worked well for me and I messed up a few times. You can use less it just takes longer for it to colonize. Just make sure you don't have standing moisture from the injection. That was with a 3lb bag of rye.

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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: TruVision]
    #16268983 - 05/22/12 05:21 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I did 10cc. It worked well for me and I messed up a few times. You can use less it just takes longer for it to colonize. Just make sure you don't have standing moisture from the injection. That was with a 3lb bag of rye.





10cc from an MS syringe in a 1-3lb spawn bag is WAY WAY too much. Anything over 5cc's is rolling your dice. Too much liquid will cause the myc to stall and build green/black contam faster than the myc can keep up.

I'm using 2.5cc's in each of my 1 lb bags and after 1 week, 28/36 are rockin and rollin. About half a dozen shot up SUPER QUICK within days of injection while the others showed first signs of growth within the past couple days

LC or Liquid Culture is a whole different story though. :douchewink:




I've seen people shoot up bags with 15cc's regularly. It's because it's not spores, it's actual already formed myc. It is like mixing your spawn bag up, within a week it can be taken over and ready to spawn to bulk.

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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: 420greenery]
    #16269010 - 05/22/12 05:25 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

10 mL is two teaspoons, it's not the liquid that causes trouble.
But yes, 10 mL is about 9.5mL too much in any container. :thumbup:


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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: Doc_T]
    #16269367 - 05/22/12 06:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Assuming your bag colonizes completely, the best thing to do with it is spawn it to a bulk substrate.  You can use the following materials in pretty much any combination: manure, straw, coco coir, coffee grounds, compost, shredded leaves...plus a bunch of other stuff along the same lines.  (gypsum should be added no matter what else you're using).

A lot of people are in love with plain coir because it can be pasteurized improperly and still produce decent results.  I think the results from adding some of the other ingredients listed above are worth the tiny bit of extra effort to pasteurize properly, by holding the centre of your substrate at a temperature of 140-160 F for an hour or more.  I guess it really depends if you feel the amount of time and effort required to obtain colonized grain spawn is enough to warrant maximizing the yield you get from it.  I know what I think.

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Re: Anyone know about Rye Spawn Bags? Really Need Some Help [Re: 420greenery]
    #17321294 - 12/02/12 03:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Here is all I can say. I have now done more than 12 of the same bags. I have yet to contaminate anyof them an have gotten an average yeild of 4oz dried from a 5 to 1 mix for my bulk( 50% core / 50% perilite) and potincey was great. Always starting with 10 cc's ms.

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