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Offlinepsychoanomaly
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Are these jars finished? (PICS)
    #16133721 - 04/24/12 03:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hey all. These have been colonizing for a month now. As you'll see, on the sides of the jar there appears to be some millet that the mycelium hasn't grown over for some reason, but everything else looks ready to go. What do you guys think?

BTW, I took pictures of the sides that seemed to have the most uncolonized millet. Is this normal, and I'm a clear to birth these in a couple of days, or is more time needed? Also, apologies for the glare, my camera is pretty shitty.



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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: psychoanomaly]
    #16163725 - 05/01/12 12:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hey guys...

So it's been another week, and the mycelium has gotten a bit denser, but the millet on the side still seems uncolonized. I'm not sure if this is a big deal. I think they're done, but...

what do you guys think? Birth 'em?


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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: psychoanomaly]
    #16163740 - 05/01/12 12:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

From the looks of those pictures, I would say wait. There's really no harm in allowing jars to colonize a little more. Patience is a virtue

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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: austink]
    #16163813 - 05/01/12 01:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

looks like you may need to wait abit. Some have been known to just take a while

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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: ForeverAPineapple]
    #16163886 - 05/01/12 01:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

there seems to be mold in a few of your pics:sad:,dont risk spawning those jars inside:eek:,take em outside and make a patch if your climate allows.
try that atleast before you just flush em down the toilet.:shrug:


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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #16163898 - 05/01/12 01:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Curious what makes you say that Cubes?

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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #16163903 - 05/01/12 01:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Have you given them a shake? They aren't ready yet and I don't see any mold in there either. It looks good to me bro. Once your grain is about 20% give the jars a good shake and they'll be done in no time.

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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: Ill-bird]
    #16163914 - 05/01/12 01:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hold on man I just read your all your post. It kinda sound like you might have a bacterial contamination give the jars a good shake and wait another week or 2. If they dont fully colonize by then open one and give it a sniff. If it smells rancid your screwed

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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: Riseup2day]
    #16163921 - 05/01/12 02:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Riseup2day said:
Curious what makes you say that Cubes?




because there is blackish gray mold in a few,i know i need glasses but im sure a couple of those are contamed.
thats not bluing from shaking thats for sure.
i bet those jars dont smell like mushrooms either.


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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #16163974 - 05/01/12 02:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

jars not looking too good


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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: SexySmurff]
    #16164060 - 05/01/12 04:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No not for a month of colonizing. I bet anything they smell disgusting at this point. Most def bacteria. I can't see the mold that one dude pointed out though, the pics just aren't clear enough/ lighting may be distorting the color of the mycelium in the pic. Hey OP why not sacrifice one and crack the lid for a sniff test  :puke: I doubt all the jars are bad anyway, pic #3 is the one I'd sniff

Edited by Ill-bird (05/01/12 04:12 AM)

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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: Ill-bird]
    #16164162 - 05/01/12 05:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yea i see that darker shit to
sorry bro things aint looking to good for ya

and a month doesnt sound good either
even for a ms syringe
they should only take right around 2 week with wbs
i never had any go any longer then that


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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: Dazed Belief]
    #16164251 - 05/01/12 06:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's hard to really see anything but they are not done, looks like they could use another week. Did you ever shake them? I never use WBS I have better performance with Rye and it's easier to keep the moisture content. I generally shake my jar once when I first see my about the size of a quarter in the jar. And then I shake again at about fifty percent seems to get things done quick. My jars are usually done in roughly about two week as well.


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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: zamora333]
    #16166300 - 05/01/12 03:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Guys...

I don't think they're contaminated. They look a little grey in those pictures, but honestly I think it's due to my crappy camera and poor lighting. I don't see any signs of contamination.

Jars usually take 5+ weeks for me. I've never had a contamination. I think it's due to the high altitude/low temp where I live.

Perhaps they are a little slow though. They smell perfectly fine from the outside. As I said, those pics are a week old. The mycelium looks denser and whiter now. The only problem is that the millet on the sides of the jars doesn't seem to be fully colonizing, at least on the side stuck to the jars.

but yeah, if these guys are contaminated I'm gonna be SO SO PISSED!

:huxleyfacepalm:

I did shake BTW, gently a couple of times at 20% and 40%. I'll try to take new pics later.


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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: psychoanomaly]
    #16166687 - 05/01/12 04:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Probably best to shake and see if they recover and fully colonize.

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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: psychoanomaly]
    #16166940 - 05/01/12 05:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hey man whatever is normal for you. Your really the only one that knows, maybe your wbs was a little too wet or something causing slower growth. I don't think you could smell a contam until you open the jar and contams are not always visible to the naked eye.

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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: Ill-bird]
    #16166972 - 05/01/12 05:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

When someone uploads somehwat poor quality images others shouldn't be so quick to jump on the contamination bandwagon just because they see a little gray (in the picture).  I mean, if it's obviously green or dark gray, that's different, but clearly that could be mycelium under poor lighting, which would make it look grayish.  I can't see anything that makes me automatically think contamination. 

Sure it seems to be colonizing very slowly, and there MAY be something wrong, but to just automatically say contam just by looking at the pictures in question is kind of pretentious.

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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: Project]
    #16166993 - 05/01/12 05:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

the two last uploads paint a very vivid picture of contamination
i say "if it ain't white,it ain't alright!" :ahahaha:


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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #16167030 - 05/01/12 05:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I could see that if I knew the pictures were showing 100%.  Clearly the jars are being lit up poorly for a picture, therefore even if that were white mycelium it could appear gray in the pictures.

So yeah, it COULD be contamination, but given the picture quality and being that the discolarion is gray, how could you know 100%?  You couldn't.  I mean, if it were green I would agree.  But I've had jars that even in bright light look to hold some grayish-white mycelium and they turn out fine.

White mycelium could easily appear gray in some areas if you were looking at it in a picture with poor ambient lighting.

I'm not saying that jar isn't contaminated per se, just that to look at THAT picture and tell 100%...  Eh

One more thing...

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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: Project]
    #16167735 - 05/01/12 08:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Guys, it is not grey. That is shadow. The WBS is a bit bumpy and uneven in places. These indentations are creating the illusion that it's grey. It is shadow, I checked, they are a nice fluffy white.

My only problem is that a little millet on the sides of the jars isn't completely consumed by the mycelium. I'm not sure if this is a problem.

My apologies for the poor picture quality. I'm using an old Macbook camera to take these pictures, and I don't want to move my jars into a different room with better lighting. I'd rather keep them in my sterilized grow area.

I'll take pics in a day or so.


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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: psychoanomaly]
    #16167746 - 05/01/12 08:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If anything, I'm a bit worried that I'll end up letting them colonize too long. What are the risks of leaving a jar to colonize longer than needed?


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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: psychoanomaly]
    #16167851 - 05/01/12 08:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I wouldn't shake them at this point they look like they will colonize the rest of the way fairly quickly and evenly. A week at least if not two.

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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: psychoanomaly]
    #16167976 - 05/01/12 08:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Can you upload some new photos and make sure there is plenty of light. Thanks


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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: bongjuice420]
    #16168242 - 05/01/12 09:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

OP, how confident are you with prepping your grain? Because I had a very slow colonizing jar without any signs of contam. I think it was because my grains were too dry. It lost momentum colonizing the entire jar like yours. It looked almost there but I checked every other day and it seemed to just stall. I gave it a shake to distribute some mycellium to the bottom(everything was colonized except a small bottom portion). When the mycellium came back it finished the bottom. That is why I suggested a shake and see what happens in a week or so. A shake can also help if you have a contam but can't see it and the contam is keeping the mycellium from fully taking the whole jar. So if you shake and it still doesn't completely take over the whole jar it can indicate something is wrong. Shake or wait either way only time will tell. Keep an eye on it and be patient.

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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: Project]
    #16169012 - 05/02/12 12:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I totally agree man. I couldn't really see anything myself, that's why I suggested maybe a bacterial problem due to the length of time it's taking but by what op said it sounds like a month is about the norm for him.

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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: Riseup2day]
    #16169090 - 05/02/12 12:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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Probably best to shake and see if they recover and fully colonize.




:whathesaid:

I just gave my jars a shake and they didn't come back (well soo slowly that it was obvious they had a contam (bacterial with mold embedded)).

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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: bongjuice420]
    #16169124 - 05/02/12 12:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Can you upload some new photos and make sure there is plenty of light. Thanks




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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #16169227 - 05/02/12 01:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yup, I'll get on those pics tomorrow. Even with proper lighting, I can't promise they'll be much clearer though... my camera just sucks.

I actually started with 10 jars. 5 I had to toss because they were severely stalled, meaning they were only 30% after 5 weeks. They clearly smelt funky.

The jars that failed were prepped separately from the jars I'm showing you all.

My grain prep was a bit of a hassle. I had a great deal of trouble passing the hand/spoon test. For the batch that failed, I actually set the WBS in the oven at 250f for a few minutes at a time.

The WBS used for the other jars I simply let dry for 4 hours, plus I used napkins to soak up some of the moisture.

It wasn't what I'd call a smooth process, but it was my second time ever prepping grain, and for some reason I was having great difficultly with the drying process.


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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: psychoanomaly]
    #16169250 - 05/02/12 01:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

are you steam drying the wbs or are you rinsing with cold water before letting them drip dry/air dry?


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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #16171954 - 05/02/12 03:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Okay, so I tried to take some clearer pictures this time. I know they're still not perfect, but it's the best I could do. My apartment is very well lit. I had to position my lamp correctly to avoid causing too much glare. You can still make out the jars pretty well. I noticed that another reason some of you may have thought that there was grey in my jars is because of the reddish color of the milo showing through the mycelium. Also, as you can see there is still some millet on the sides of the jars that hasn't fully colonized. It appears to only be a problem on the very outside of the cakes. I tried to take pictures of the most concerning sides of the jars, that is with the most uncolonized millet.

How do these look?



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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: psychoanomaly]
    #16172099 - 05/02/12 04:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Those look amazing! Are you going to shake them one last time?


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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: bongjuice420]
    #16172235 - 05/02/12 05:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The ones you show in the pic definitely not finished. All are showing various areas of uncolonized seed. Wait a few days to a week. Or shake the ones that show the most uncolonized seeds, and see if they will bounce back.

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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: Riseup2day]
    #16172354 - 05/02/12 05:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well, I don't know if shaking would help :shrug:

It's all just one big cake of mycelium now, so I don't see how it would make much of a difference. Plus, I don't want to beat it up too much.

If I'm wrong, let me know.

I guess I'll wait another week :/ It's strange how long this always takes for me.


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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: psychoanomaly]
    #16172632 - 05/02/12 06:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

When my jars were about 80-90% and started slowing down I gave it a shake, so that is why I'm suggesting that. And when colonized they will be hard to break apart but it can be done with some good knocking on phone books or a inflated bicycle tire. I just used my palm, bruised myself a bit from shaking so many jars using just my hands but I don't care about that lol. Now one palm is stronger than the other. I created a new art of "Iron Palm" HAHAHA. If after a week they still don't completely finish I don't see any harm in shaking to see if it can finish up. If it doesn't then you know there is some sort of contam that is stopping it.

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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: Riseup2day]
    #16172797 - 05/02/12 06:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You will not hurt it, shaking just exposes different areas and can allow mycelium to reach it easier.


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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: Riseup2day]
    #16172837 - 05/02/12 06:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I just used my palm, bruised myself a bit Now one palm is stronger than the other. I created a new art of "Iron Palm" HAHAHA.
I don't see any harm in shaking to see if it can finish up. If it doesn't then you know there is some sort of contam.




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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #16172910 - 05/02/12 07:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Either the lighting of the pics are really weird, or you have some major contams...






..the grain at the top.

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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: YellaFingiz]
    #16172941 - 05/02/12 07:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's the lighting and also the red milo showing through the mycelium. As you can see, the WBS is not flush on the sides of the jar, causing dents that cast shadow.

Once again sorry about the lighting, it's the best I could do.

The mycelium itself is a clean white.


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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: psychoanomaly]
    #16200240 - 05/08/12 03:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Okay guys, so it's been six weeks. The jars still look healthy, and seem to have grown just a little since my last post. However, there is still some millet that appears to be uncolonized on the outside. It does, however, appear to be colonized on the INSIDE. Also, it looks as though it's slowly being consumed by the mycelium

Still, 6 weeks is a long time. I've never had to wait a full 6 weeks, usually just 5 1/2. I don't want to wait too much longer, as I fear leaving them for too long could mess them up somehow.

How much longer should I wait until birthing these guys?

Is there really such a huge risk in using cakes that have a little millet on the outside that is not fully colonized? It's not much at all. Hell, I could probably brush the loose bits off. So what's the harm of doing this, having a few stray millets in my substrate?

Thanks, and please help... I'm getting worried.


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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: psychoanomaly]
    #16201548 - 05/08/12 08:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

so your not spawing this? i dont see how your gonna birth these :crazy2:

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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: Ill-bird]
    #16201565 - 05/08/12 08:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

if i were you since youve invested all this time, just spawn your grain to some coir and verm and see how it goes. its now or never man because your going to keep waiting around and the mycelium is going to take forever to colonize a bulk sub and probably contaminate anyway.

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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: Ill-bird]
    #16201767 - 05/08/12 08:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

lol, sorry. I'm using these as spawn. Birthing is the wrong term.

I'm pretty new to this...


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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: psychoanomaly]
    #16201783 - 05/08/12 08:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

well go for it. if its just a few grains that dont look colonized then its as ready as it will ever be after 6 weeks :thumbup:

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Re: Are these jars finished? (PICS) [Re: Ill-bird]
    #16205793 - 05/09/12 05:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think I will. I'm still a little hesitant though, because while it's moving slow, the stray millet does seem to be colonizing.


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