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Weren't the sith better than the jedi? * 3
    #16125826 - 04/22/12 07:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Both in their philosophy and ideology? Let me elaborate:

If we remove the whole evil vs good aspect which were obviously put in to spice up the story by Lucas I see nothing wrong with the sith's believe in free will.

If I am cursed enough to be born a human being with a conscious, have the ability to dream, ponder and imagine and yet know nothing about my condition or the condition of the Universe....I might as well have the right to live my life the way I want. That is free will.

The reason most of us cannot tolerate organized religion is because it demands of us to follow a rigid path. We become caged, like caged birds.

The strict adherence of rules and conditions are too much to take for the rationalist who'd rather tread his own path. Hence we choose atheism or agnosticism.

How are the jedi any different than organized religion? Sure the motivation is good but why adhere to a practice and become a monk? Especially when it entails issues which are beyond our control like "the chosen one", much like lineage-beyond our control.

I remember back as a kid  my grandfather would make me sit down and study the rich ancient texts. I obliged and learnt a lot. The teachings made me a rational pantheist for which I am grateful. But I would question him a lot.

Just like the scene in the forest in The Empire strikes back my grandfather was Yoda. And one day he told me exactly what Yoda tells Luke....."I will not teach you anything for you ask too many questions. Don't question- just accept."

Luke accepted and great for him but I never did. I just cannot give up the right to have a free will and question everything.

So what I am saying is that behind all the evil(which again is a subjective term) things the sith do, I don't see much wrong in their basic ideology, whereas the Jedi proclaim themselves as the saviors and protectors of justice but I see their existence as that of a caged bird resigned to fate. And justice is through their perspective, which is subjective, as stated previously.

What's your opinion on this?

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Re: Weren't the sith better than the jedi? [Re: rishi85]
    #16125856 - 04/22/12 07:57 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

the sith were definately cooler than the jedis. at least how they dressed. except for SLJ, he's just badass.



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Re: Weren't the sith better than the jedi? [Re: rishi85]
    #16125873 - 04/22/12 08:01 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

This post has made me not hate you for two reasons:

1) its about star wars
2) its philosophical

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I think you are pretty right on. The star wars universe is one where the Jedi, a religion, are trying to set themselves up as the leaders with some sort of central ideology.

The Sith seem to be the individualists but are they? I don't really think they are anything more than an extreme caricature of groups we normally view as "bad" such as anarchists or extreme anti-gov't types.

The Jedi at least seem to be aiming for some sort of space democracy with representative government. The faith they seem to espouse is faith in oneself and not in some cosmic fate. For example, trusting the force is just like trusting your abilities when faced with a hard task. No one say, "dude you're going to blow it, better give up" rather people tend to encourage others by saying "you can do it, believe in yourself." So to me I'd say the Jedi can also be seen as individualists that also want a peaceful representative style government free from the tyranny of a small group positioned at the top, ie, Sith lords or the Emperor.


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Re: Weren't the sith better than the jedi? [Re: rishi85]
    #16125902 - 04/22/12 08:07 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Ok Your wrong on so many levels and are probably under 18 and shouldn't be posting here anyway.

First reason Jedi > than Sith is that episode 1-3 are utter fuckin bull shit compared to A new hope, empire strikes back, and return of the jedi.

Second reason is if your talking about religion, what kind of religion gives you amazing telekinetic and extra sensory skills????? O wait that's right NONE...If you don't remember the whole story of Star Wars is taking place in a galaxy FAR FAR AWAY, in a time LONG LONG AGO.  Here on Earth there is no force you can harness to gain amazing inhuman abilities.  You would have to be straight retarded not to follow a path that led you to amazing abilities no matter how strict the religion was.

And third off fuck you Jedi are the shit.

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Re: Weren't the sith better than the jedi? [Re: briant230]
    #16125905 - 04/22/12 08:07 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

my post was directed at OP ps.

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Re: Weren't the sith better than the jedi? [Re: briant230]
    #16125924 - 04/22/12 08:11 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

The overall impression I got of the sith vs jedi was more or less Commies vs Americans, with the Jedi as the Murkins. So religion was at play, being that commies are atheists.

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Re: Weren't the sith better than the jedi? [Re: briant230] * 2
    #16125939 - 04/22/12 08:14 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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briant230 said:
Ok Your wrong on so many levels and are probably under 18 and shouldn't be posting here anyway.

First reason Jedi > than Sith is that episode 1-3 are utter fuckin bull shit compared to A new hope, empire strikes back, and return of the jedi.

Second reason is if your talking about religion, what kind of religion gives you amazing telekinetic and extra sensory skills????? O wait that's right NONE...If you don't remember the whole story of Star Wars is taking place in a galaxy FAR FAR AWAY, in a time LONG LONG AGO.  Here on Earth there is no force you can harness to gain amazing inhuman abilities.  You would have to be straight retarded not to follow a path that led you to amazing abilities no matter how strict the religion was.

And third off fuck you Jedi are the shit.




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Re: Weren't the sith better than the jedi? [Re: briant230] * 3
    #16125996 - 04/22/12 08:25 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I am 26.

The original being better than the prequel is your opinion and you're probably a sheep who enjoys what the media dictates. I find Anakin's journey far more intriguing than the lame ass by the book journey undertaken by Puke Skywalker.

I was comparing the Jedi way of life to the one undertaken by religious folks everywhere-one of discipline(which is fine) and blind faith in something. The core philosophy of the Jedi-as stated by Yoda-shouldn't be questioned, just accepted. This is where I disagree. I believe in free will and the sith lived that ideology. Sure, they screwed things up but that was required by the story because the simple minded audience need a villain and a hero.


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Re: Weren't the sith better than the jedi? [Re: rishi85]
    #16126003 - 04/22/12 08:27 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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rishi85 said:
I believe in free will





Why? You claim not to like blind faith so why do you believe in free will?


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Re: Weren't the sith better than the jedi? [Re: briant230] * 1
    #16126164 - 04/22/12 08:59 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Ok Your wrong on so many levels and are probably under 18 and shouldn't be posting here anyway.

First reason Jedi > than Sith is that episode 1-3 are utter fuckin bull shit compared to A new hope, empire strikes back, and return of the jedi.

Second reason is if your talking about religion, what kind of religion gives you amazing telekinetic and extra sensory skills????? O wait that's right NONE...If you don't remember the whole story of Star Wars is taking place in a galaxy FAR FAR AWAY, in a time LONG LONG AGO.  Here on Earth there is no force you can harness to gain amazing inhuman abilities.  You would have to be straight retarded not to follow a path that led you to amazing abilities no matter how strict the religion was.

And third off fuck you Jedi are the shit.





Go be a dick somewhere else. You COMPLETELY missed the entire point of the OPs post. Way to make yourself look like a tool. :facepalm:


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Re: Weren't the sith better than the jedi? [Re: Digital Dreams]
    #16126181 - 04/22/12 09:03 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

briant230 said:
Ok Your wrong on so many levels and are probably under 18 and shouldn't be posting here anyway.

First reason Jedi > than Sith is that episode 1-3 are utter fuckin bull shit compared to A new hope, empire strikes back, and return of the jedi.

Second reason is if your talking about religion, what kind of religion gives you amazing telekinetic and extra sensory skills????? O wait that's right NONE...If you don't remember the whole story of Star Wars is taking place in a galaxy FAR FAR AWAY, in a time LONG LONG AGO.  Here on Earth there is no force you can harness to gain amazing inhuman abilities.  You would have to be straight retarded not to follow a path that led you to amazing abilities no matter how strict the religion was.

And third off fuck you Jedi are the shit.





Go be a dick somewhere else. You COMPLETELY missed the entire point of the OPs post. Way to make yourself look like a tool. :facepalm:





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"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi
"Look up at me I am God, look down on me and I am evil, look at me I am you." - Charles Manson.
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Re: Weren't the sith better than the jedi? [Re: Digital Dreams]
    #16126200 - 04/22/12 09:07 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Go be a dick somewhere else. You COMPLETELY missed the entire point of the OPs post. Way to make yourself look like a tool. :facepalm:





Star wars is serious business, yo

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Re: Weren't the sith better than the jedi? [Re: DeathSpider]
    #16126299 - 04/22/12 09:31 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Wasn't the Sith destroyed and balance was brought to the force?

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Re: Weren't the sith better than the jedi? [Re: letholdus] * 1
    #16126358 - 04/22/12 09:47 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Let's take the philosophy and the intellect out of this thread.

The sith are so much cooler than the Jedi because:

1) Everybody wants to see the bad guys win
2) They look so much cooler
3) Their powers a fucking awesome
4) They control armies
5) The red lightsabers look so much better than the blue and green ones.
6) Darth Maul was the shit
7) Darth Vader is much more popular than Luke and slightly more popular than Yoda.
8) The Empire has awesome war machines
9) Death Star
10) The Jedi are just gay self proclaimed heroes of freedom and justice.


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Re: Weren't the sith better than the jedi? [Re: rishi85]
    #16126388 - 04/22/12 09:54 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

The sith being evil is part of the story. You can't just dismiss that as an attribute of their kind just because you think the audience "needed a villain."

The story is what it is.


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Re: Weren't the sith better than the jedi? [Re: Patlal]
    #16126410 - 04/22/12 10:01 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
Let's take the philosophy and the intellect out of this thread.

The sith are so much cooler than the Jedi because:

1) Everybody wants to see the bad guys win
2) They look so much cooler
3) Their powers a fucking awesome
4) They control armies
5) The red lightsabers look so much better than the blue and green ones.
6) Darth Maul was the shit
7) Darth Vader is much more popular than Luke and slightly more popular than Yoda.
8) The Empire has awesome war machines
9) Death Star
10) The Jedi are just gay self proclaimed heroes of freedom and justice.




5,6 and 7.

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Re: Weren't the sith better than the jedi? [Re: rishi85]
    #16126525 - 04/22/12 10:31 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

at first i was like :awesome: but then i was like :nonono:


Quote:

The original being better than the prequel is your opinion and you're probably a sheep who enjoys what the media dictates. I find Anakin's journey far more intriguing than the lame ass by the book journey undertaken by Puke Skywalker.




wow. Anakin/Vader's story was already given to us in the original trilogy along with Luke's as a way to help us understand the trials that Luke (like his father) would face, there was NO reason to make the horrendous atrocities propagated on a wonderful triology so that Lucas could line his pockets with more money (bastard) while simultaneously ruining the childhoods of many of his fans. that i prefer to pretend they were never created.

also:

Quote:

Patlal said:
Let's take the philosophy and the intellect out of this thread.

The sith are so much cooler than the Jedi because:

1) Everybody wants to see the bad guys win
2) They look so much cooler
3) Their powers a fucking awesome
4) They control armies
5) The red lightsabers look so much better than the blue and green ones.
6) Darth Maul was the shit
7) Darth Vader is much more popular than Luke and slightly more popular than Yoda.
8) The Empire has awesome war machines
9) Death Star
10) The Jedi are just gay self proclaimed heroes of freedom and justice.




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Re: Weren't the sith better than the jedi? [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #16126619 - 04/22/12 10:53 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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simultaneously ruining the childhoods of many of his fans...






The childhood wasn't really ruined until this happened...




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Re: Weren't the sith better than the jedi? [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #16126631 - 04/22/12 10:55 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Practically the Sith are better because they can also shoot lightning...Jedis can't do that.

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Re: Weren't the sith better than the jedi? [Re: Dr. Gregg]
    #16126786 - 04/22/12 11:46 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

in the star wars universe, this is 2 types of energies, the light side and the dark side.

The dark side is has particular effects, the light side has particular effects.

within the star wars universe, its very clear cut.  The dark side if addictive, has harmful effects on the body, and is fueled by certain types of emotions (usually stuff we call negative).  The light side keeps you healthy, is the opposite of addictive, is fueled by peace.

Politics and personal belief systems don't play into either light side or dark side use at all.

Both the dark side and the light side begin to take control of the user.  When the dark side takes control of someone its generally not for the best.


when yoda tells luke not to question, he's telling luke not to question something that exists almost materially in that universe.  Its not like a philosophical brain washing thing, he's telling luke to shut the fuck up and use his senses.


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