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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Crystal G]
    #16271720 - 05/23/12 07:50 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

holy shit


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Crystal G]
    #16271861 - 05/23/12 09:19 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't want to derail my own thread. But speaking about trusting the military, how can you get raped and not come forward? The military is made of a bunch of fucking snakes and backstabbing wolverines. You know how many murders they've covered up in the middle east? Not even ones they've committed, but actual assassinations of Taliban members. They find a beheading video and don't release it. Now I'm I understand not releasing videos like that for the sake of the family.

But shit like finding the family member beheaded, telling no one, making an assassination, then saying "oh we just found the body." That's fucked up man, if I was in the military and was grazed by another platoon member, I'd feel I had to report it. Then again, being in the military is probably a bit more like being in jail, if a platoon member gazes at you, you better knock him out, fast. Or get no respect. You got to go into combat with these guys. Go to war, if you get pushed around in training, chances are in combat situations when you are murdering people you will get pushed around. And man, that's the last place you want to get kicked around and shit.

So speaking of, as much as I hate to say it, you get raped in the military, you better at least ask for a transfer, and make something up. I guess I'm beating a dead horse here :flowstone:




Uhh, that's sort of the whole point and precisely what the liberals are trying to change about the military. Because currently when a rape victim reports a rape, the military does not transfer them and forces them to work in the same platoon around the same people. Which is precisely why a lot of people don't want to come out and report the rape and make it public.




"Liberals" have been in power many times in the 60 years I've been alive. At the most there is going to be a bandaid on this issue because, and I'm going to say it again even though it falls on shut minds,  the military is a very violent place by nature.  The job of military training is to bring that violence right to the surface and then try to direct it at a target. This won't always happen as their isn't always a proper target handy.  If you want a military that doesn't act like this then you will have a weak military when it comes to a fight.  I think anyone who's studied the history of warfare would agree.


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Icelander]
    #16272428 - 05/23/12 12:16 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm going to say it again even though it falls on shut minds,  the military is a very violent place by nature.  The job of military training is to bring that violence right to the surface and then try to direct it at a target. This won't always happen as their isn't always a proper target handy.  If you want a military that doesn't act like this then you will have a weak military when it comes to a fight.  I think anyone who's studied the history of warfare would agree.



I've studied a lot of military history, and while war is violent by nature, this is the first time I've heard that if the miilitary is strong, then people will behave violently during peace.

What's your source?


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #16272528 - 05/23/12 12:45 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

My reading of news events for almost 60 years.  My dads military stories from WWII.  Several friends from the war in Nam who talked extensively with me about their experiences.  What I've read about the aftermath of wars with the rape and retribution on civilian populations.

There really is nothing new here.


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Icelander]
    #16273054 - 05/23/12 03:06 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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My reading of news events for almost 60 years.  My dads military stories from WWII.  Several friends from the war in Nam who talked extensively with me about their experiences.  What I've read about the aftermath of wars with the rape and retribution on civilian populations.

There really is nothing new here.



It's new to me.  I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just asking you to post any study or policy that says people who are violent in peace make better soldiers.  It sounds like you have 60 years worth of reading to back you up.  I'm just asking for one article which supports your opinion.

And I'm not arguing about your last point - that some soldiers are more violent in the aftermath of a war; I'm arguing about your first point that people who are violent to begin with are better soldiers in any way.


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #16273223 - 05/23/12 03:54 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think I said that or didn't mean to.  I said that military training is designed to bring out the violence inherent in human nature.  That basic training gets humans ready to kill.  When you bring that type of energy to the surface and don't have a legitimate outlet for it's not likely to go peacefully to sleep and wait.  I would also hazard a guess that violent personalities would be drawn to a job that includes killing other humans. Not everyone can easily do it without preparation.  I'm pretty peace loving but I know myself well enough I think to realize I could be made violent through circumstance and training and if that happened all bets would be off.

This article might be more along the lines of where I was heading.
http://www.wcl.american.edu/hrbrief/06/3caron.pdf 

It would seem logical to me to find sexual and other types of violence more common among the military than lets say  non military contractors operating in foreign countries in non military situations.


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