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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Crystal G]
    #16199991 - 05/08/12 04:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You linked the exact same source...

In any case, any victim can prevent being raped at any time...That is a fact...all he/she has to do is give consent and it is no longer rape.


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #16200057 - 05/08/12 04:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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You linked the exact same source...

In any case, any victim can prevent being raped at any time...That is a fact...all he/she has to do is give consent and it is no longer rape.



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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: zappaisgod]
    #16200064 - 05/08/12 04:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Just trying to offer solutions...

The effect is the same as not reporting...no conviction...


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Enlil]
    #16200084 - 05/08/12 04:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I got an idea.  I can come to your house and take everything you own but you could make it not be theft by saying you gave it to me.


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: zappaisgod]
    #16200087 - 05/08/12 04:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I got an idea.  I can come to your house and take everything you own but you could make it not be theft by saying you gave it to me.



Whether I do that or I just refuse to report it and try to get my shit back, what's the difference?


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: zappaisgod]
    #16200095 - 05/08/12 04:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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You linked the exact same source...

In any case, any victim can prevent being raped at any time...That is a fact...all he/she has to do is give consent and it is no longer rape.



:facepalm:




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Man, that has to be the dumbest comment I've ever heard in real-life AND on the internet.

It's so dumb it's practically worth putting in my signature.


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Crystal G]
    #16200103 - 05/08/12 04:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So you are completely fine with eliminating any possibility of criminal prosecution by choosing not to report...but doing the same thing by choosing to give consent is the "dumbest comment [you've] ever heard..."

At least my way avoids some violence in some situations...not all, mind you...but some.


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #16200106 - 05/08/12 04:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

A (supposed) lawyer pWned by a pole dancer.  Priceless.


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: zappaisgod]
    #16200113 - 05/08/12 04:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'm still waiting to hear the difference between the two. Crystal seems to think that it's okay not to report a crime despite having a duty to do so because in some cases reporting has negative consequences...

Well, in some cases, failing to consent has negative consequences that can be avoided by consenting...so why not take it one step further toward harm reduction?


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Enlil]
    #16200120 - 05/08/12 04:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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So you are completely fine with eliminating any possibility of criminal prosecution by choosing not to report...but doing the same thing by choosing to give consent is the "dumbest comment [you've] ever heard..."




Right. And anybody who is about to get murdered, should simply consent it to it, so that it no longer becomes murder, it becomes assisted suicide. :rolleyes:

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At least my way avoids some violence in some situations...not all, mind you...but some.





No. It doesn't. If you knew anything about rape and rapist profiling and typology, which it is plainly obvious you don't, you would know that 80% of rapists run away when the victim FIGHTS BACK and ASSAULTS her attacker. Not by being compliant... being compliant has the completely opposite effect.


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Crystal G]
    #16200130 - 05/08/12 04:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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So you are completely fine with eliminating any possibility of criminal prosecution by choosing not to report...but doing the same thing by choosing to give consent is the "dumbest comment [you've] ever heard..."




Right. And anybody who is about to get murdered, should simply consent it to it, so that it no longer becomes murder, it becomes assisted suicide. :rolleyes:




assisted suicide=murder...lack of consent isn't an element of a murder charge
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At least my way avoids some violence in some situations...not all, mind you...but some.





No. It doesn't. If you knew anything about rape and rapist profiling and typology, which it is plainly obvious you don't, you would know that 80% of rapists run away when the victim FIGHTS BACK and ASSAULTS her attacker. Not by being compliant... being compliant has the completely opposite effect.



You must have missed the word "some"...Or is it your thesis that every single rape will get more violent in the presence of consent?


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Enlil]
    #16200134 - 05/08/12 04:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm still waiting to hear the difference between the two. Crystal seems to think that it's okay not to report a crime despite having a duty to do so because in some cases reporting has negative consequences...




I disagree strongly with her position on that.
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Well, in some cases, failing to consent has negative consequences that can be avoided by consenting...so why not take it one step further toward harm reduction?




I don't think you quite appreciate the affection that women have for their vaginas.  Set aside the potential for personal vigilante vengeance, which you lose claim to by consenting, how would you react if Lexington Steele decided that he absolutely had to have full and unfettered access to your rectum?  Whenever he wanted it?


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Enlil]
    #16200147 - 05/08/12 04:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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At least my way avoids some violence in some situations...not all, mind you...but some.





No. It doesn't. If you knew anything about rape and rapist profiling and typology, which it is plainly obvious you don't, you would know that 80% of rapists run away when the victim FIGHTS BACK and ASSAULTS her attacker. Not by being compliant... being compliant has the completely opposite effect.



You must have missed the word "some"...Or is it your thesis that every single rape will get more violent in the presence of consent?




The advice you just dispensed is FUCKING. DANGEROUS. Don't you realize that?!?!?!?

The number of rape scenarios that favor compliance, farrrrr outweighs the number of rape scenarios where an aggravated attack is necessary to deflect the rape.

STOP giving stupid advice about topics you know nothing about. People will be in grave danger if they were to follow your shit advice.


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: zappaisgod]
    #16200157 - 05/08/12 04:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't think you quite appreciate the affection that women have for their vaginas.  Set aside the potential for personal vigilante vengeance, which you lose claim to by consenting, how would you react if Lexington Steele decided that he absolutely had to have full and unfettered access to your rectum?  Whenever he wanted it?



I'm not advocating for it...I'm pointing out that the same logic that helps crystal rationalize soldiers allowing fear to overcome their duty would also suggest that in some cases consenting to avoid further harm would be a good choice..

I don't know who Lexington Steele is, but it sounds like a porno name...so I'll have to take the pass on that...

But for me, it's different...If Mr. Steele violates my ass, I'm calling the cops asap...


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Crystal G]
    #16200163 - 05/08/12 04:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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The advice you just dispensed is FUCKING. DANGEROUS. Don't you realize that?!?!?!?

The number of rape scenarios that favor compliance, farrrrr outweighs the number of rape scenarios where an aggravated attack is necessary to deflect the rape.

STOP giving stupid advice about topics you know nothing about. People will be in grave danger if they were to follow your shit advice.



I'm not giving advice...I'm pointing out the absurdity of your position...

You want to know what is dangerous?  NOT reporting violent crimes...how many rapes should a rapist get away with before someone reports it?  10?  15?  Maybe you're fine with giving a free pass, but I'm not...

I'm just saying that if you're going to give a free pass anyway, it might as well be an all-access pass.


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Enlil]
    #16200199 - 05/08/12 04:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

With respect to some of the insensitive attitudes in this thread, I have decided to post this link: http://weretelling.tumblr.com/

It is a compilation of anonymous sexual assault stories from the victim's perspective, and some of those stories go in detail about how terribly the police department treated the victims. Sometimes accusing them of outright lying, blaming the victim, interrogating the victim, telling the victim it's better not to prosecute, etc.

Given these stories, I'm not at all surprised that somebody would never want to report a rape. Especially if they have reported a rape before and been disappointed severely in the past.

People who think that reporting a rape actually solves anything are simply too idealistic, and don't have a very good concept of reality or how rape investigations work.


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Crystal G]
    #16200211 - 05/08/12 05:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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People who think that reporting a rape actually solves anything are simply too idealistic, and don't have a very good concept of reality or how rape investigations work.



It doesn't solve anything...but not reporting certainly solves any problems the rapist might have from the incident

I just thought of a great idea...I'm gonna have t-shirts printed up that say "I don't report rapes"....College girls everywhere can wear them and be so much safer!


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Crystal G]
    #16200231 - 05/08/12 05:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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With respect to some of the insensitive attitudes in this thread, I have decided to post this link: http://weretelling.tumblr.com/

It is a compilation of anonymous sexual assault stories from the victim's perspective, and some of those stories go in detail about how terribly the police department treated the victims. Sometimes accusing them of outright lying, blaming the victim, interrogating the victim, telling the victim it's better not to prosecute, etc.

Given these stories, I'm not at all surprised that somebody would never want to report a rape. Especially if they have reported a rape before and been disappointed severely in the past.

People who think that reporting a rape actually solves anything are simply too idealistic, and don't have a very good concept of reality or how rape investigations work.




I mentioned her obliquely earlier but you also have to understand that there is a damn good reason why the cops don't just accept every woman's rape story.  Her name is Crystal Gail Mangum and she is a lying cunt whore pig.  Every rape victim should line up and smack the living shit out of the many thousands of cunts who make false rape accusations.


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: zappaisgod]
    #16200282 - 05/08/12 05:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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With respect to some of the insensitive attitudes in this thread, I have decided to post this link: http://weretelling.tumblr.com/

It is a compilation of anonymous sexual assault stories from the victim's perspective, and some of those stories go in detail about how terribly the police department treated the victims. Sometimes accusing them of outright lying, blaming the victim, interrogating the victim, telling the victim it's better not to prosecute, etc.

Given these stories, I'm not at all surprised that somebody would never want to report a rape. Especially if they have reported a rape before and been disappointed severely in the past.

People who think that reporting a rape actually solves anything are simply too idealistic, and don't have a very good concept of reality or how rape investigations work.




I mentioned her obliquely earlier but you also have to understand that there is a damn good reason why the cops don't just accept every woman's rape story.  Her name is Crystal Gail Mangum and she is a lying cunt whore pig.  Every rape victim should line up and smack the living shit out of the many thousands of cunts who make false rape accusations.




It's really not just for that reason, though.

It's also the fact that society has this twisted notion of purity, and seems to perceive that unless the victim is completely pure and modest, that she was somehow "asking" for it.

If you read some of the people's stories on that link, you will read that some victims were no longer believed once the police found out they were porn stars or sex workers. Some had the police disbelieve their rape story the second the police found out they take illegal street drugs. Other times the police even implied that the victim was asking for it, simply because of what the victim was wearing, or simply because she was once romantically involved with her attacker in the past. Sometimes the police simply shrugged and said they couldn't do anything about it.

I take illegal drugs, I am a swinger by lifestyle choice, and I am by no means what society would consider modest and pure. I would just hate to think of the idea that if I do get raped, my story will not be taken seriously simply because of some irrelevant lifestyle choices I've made.

One of the worst episode of Cops that I've ever seen, the one that pissed me off the most, was when a prostitute called 911 after getting beaten in the face by a client. The marks were visible, she was clearly battered in the face, which apparently happened after a conflict ensued over the $20 she was charging, and the client refused to pay up.

The cops came, and they basically said it was HER FAULT. 1 cop even sneered and said "you actually expect us to protect you when you're prostituting out on the streets? Don't prostitute then, you know how dangerous it is."

They weren't even going to ARREST the guy who beat her!!!!!! In fact, they ended up arresting HER for being a prostitute and were going to let the guy go. WTF!!!! And the ONLY reason they ended up arresting him, is because they found out he was an illegal alien. But if it weren't for that, they pretty much would have just let him walk.

What I learned from that police department that day: if you're going to beat a woman, make sure she's a hooker, because then nobody will give a flying fuck, and even law enforcement will approve of it.

This reminds me very much of how the police department treats rape victims.

In a way, you have to be the "perfect" victim in order for your story to be taken seriously.

And it's only with rape that victims are ever treated like this too. With murder, with robbery, with grand theft, with assault and battery, the victim's past has absolutely NO bearing on the crime.


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Re: women in the military are afraid to come forward about rape [Re: Crystal G]
    #16200486 - 05/08/12 06:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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And it's only with rape that victims are ever treated like this too. With murder, with robbery, with grand theft, with assault and battery, the victim's past has absolutely NO bearing on the crime.



I've never heard of a false murder report...

With robbery, the victim is scrutinized as well...it just doesn't get the press that rape does...It's not as good for selling papers...

With assault, the victim is scrutinized very, very thoroughly...there are also a lot of false assault reports...or half-true assault reports...In fact, you just gave an example of a prostitute who was scrutinized while reporting an assault...

Rest assured, in most states, evidence of sexual history is generally not admissible except in certain limited cases...


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