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InvisibleshroomQT
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Water Recycling
    #1612416 - 06/05/03 07:33 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

With a newly planted lawn and garden in the back yard,
I've become quite aware of my water consumption lately.

so I've been doing the old 80's socal drough act, saving the
water while the shower warms up in a bucket, saving my
rinse water in a bucket, old pc water...in the bucket.

I'm trying to grow pleurotus, and been failling miserably,
so I've been pasteurizing a lot of straw. Recently I came
across the notion of whacking pH way up there with lime
and seasoning with a touch of bleach to aid the pasteurization
of straw.

the pasteurization water is by far the richest source of
recyclable water, both in volume as well as nutritive potential.

sadly, I don't think I can use this water back out in the garden
with the bleach and lime in it.

if so, close the thread, thank you, goodnight...

but I can't imagine bleach and excessive lime would be good
for my mint, rosemary or artichokes, let alone my new lawn.

the lime maybe (damn clay soil)...but the bleach?

short story long, what can I do, if anything, to *treat* this
water, so to speak, such that it is usable for watering the yard.

will high temps break down the bleach?

can I add something to the water to balance the pH back out?

thanks in advance.

feel free to move if off topic.


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Re: Water Recycling [Re: shroomQT]
    #1613978 - 06/06/03 05:45 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Water Recycling [Re: zeronio]
    #1614154 - 06/06/03 09:33 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It is my understanding that bleach does break down in the pressence of organic comopounds, through the process of bleaching. I wouldn't imagine all of it would break down though I would imagine a significant amount of it would.

BTW, bleach (or it's near equivalents) are already in most peoples tap water, just in lower amounts. Perhaps the bleach would have a tendency to bubble out the way that chlorine does? I don't really know, just speculating that maybe just letting the water sit for a day or two might lead to a good bit more of it coming out of the water?

Also remember, the concentration of bleach that we are using, or should be, doesn't seem to harm mycelium, so I imagine it wouldn't hurt plants. Might affect the microorganisms in a good healthy organic soil, but I'm not sure it would really be that bad.

I'd try it and see, or just leave out the bleach. Heat is a better pasteurizer than either chem, and I think that lime is a slightly better pasteurizer than bleach. So, use the better two and you shouldn't need the bleach. If you do, I imagine you've got another contam vector causing your problems rather than the straw prep.


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Re: Water Recycling [Re: shroomQT]
    #1615336 - 06/06/03 07:43 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I suggest checking out a copy of GG+MM by paul stamets.

He explains bleach and lime pasteurization. I also would imagine you should go with 1 or the other, rather than both. Lime will hurt your lawn/plants in the concentrations required, i'm sure bleach will too. Lime has hurt my lawn, so i speak from experience there. Bleach however, has not. You could also check out the peroxide manuals from rush wayne, part 2 has a peroxide based pasteurization of straw. There's also a new fermentation tek, being discussed in this forum!


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