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4896744
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Embracing Meaninglessness
#16123714 - 04/22/12 09:47 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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I used to claim that I did this, but upon further reflection I don't think it is true or even possible. I have recognized the lack of meaning, but when faced with this, I cling to hedonism.
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Re: Embracing Meaninglessness [Re: 4896744] 2
#16123737 - 04/22/12 09:59 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Absolutely. Becker is correct imo that we cannot fully come to terms with impermanence, and one of the symptoms of this inability would be our need for meaning. From the Hedonist to the social worker to the Guru seeker to the religious and political and everything in between. The 10,000 things are what we cling to in our terror management.
So what does this mean for us if we wish to live as well as possible? As Don Juan would say "we need to choose our shields carefully" as in a path with heart. For you that may be hedonism.
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Re: Embracing Meaninglessness [Re: Icelander]
#16123752 - 04/22/12 10:05 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Trying to embrace it is sort of contradictive to the truth of it anyway, in itself an illusion against it. As to whether you can live with without a crutch against it, I agree that there are certainly very few if any who have ever done so.
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Re: Embracing Meaninglessness [Re: Icelander]
#16124236 - 04/22/12 12:47 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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gotta love Don Juan.
great post
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Re: Embracing Meaninglessness [Re: Icelander]
#16124239 - 04/22/12 12:48 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Absolutely. Becker is correct imo that we cannot fully come to terms with impermanence, and one of the symptoms of this inability would be our need for meaning. From the Hedonist to the social worker to the Guru seeker to the religious and political and everything in between. The 10,000 things are what we cling to in our terror management.
So what does this mean for us if we wish to live as well as possible? As Don Juan would say "we need to choose our shields carefully" as in a path with heart. For you that may be hedonism.
What do you mean by a "path with heart"? Are you basically saying a path you like?
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Re: Embracing Meaninglessness [Re: 4896744]
#16124267 - 04/22/12 12:59 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Meaninglessness is itself meaningless, embrace unsatisfactoriness which is clearly visible moment to moment, do not eschew meaning which you know to be resonantly true simply because it sounds clever.
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Re: Embracing Meaninglessness [Re: 4896744]
#16124389 - 04/22/12 01:48 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Absolutely. Becker is correct imo that we cannot fully come to terms with impermanence, and one of the symptoms of this inability would be our need for meaning. From the Hedonist to the social worker to the Guru seeker to the religious and political and everything in between. The 10,000 things are what we cling to in our terror management.
So what does this mean for us if we wish to live as well as possible? As Don Juan would say "we need to choose our shields carefully" as in a path with heart. For you that may be hedonism.
What do you mean by a "path with heart"? Are you basically saying a path you like?
Basically, yes. A path you are one with and can rejoice in traveling. One that does not make you hate your life. This is not as easy as one thinks. DJ said the decision of a path must be made without ambition or self indulgence for it to last as a true path with heart. This is why he recommended the warriors way so one would have the strength of character to recognize when he had found his path and then grab it with both hands like grabbing an ally.
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Re: Embracing Meaninglessness [Re: Icelander]
#16124430 - 04/22/12 02:04 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Basically, yes. A path you are one with and can rejoice in traveling. One that does not make you hate your life. This is not as easy as one thinks. DJ said the decision of a path must be made without ambition or self indulgence for it to last as a true path with heart. This is why he recommended the warriors way so one would have the strength of character to recognize when he had found his path and then grab it with both hands like grabbing an ally.
How could you make a decision as to what you want to do without ambition, and for what reason would you choose a path other than the self-indulgence it can offer?
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Re: Embracing Meaninglessness [Re: 4896744]
#16124522 - 04/22/12 02:38 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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You'll have to figure that out for yourself. I didn't say it.
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redgreenvines said: Meaninglessness is itself meaningless, embrace unsatisfactoriness which is clearly visible moment to moment, do not eschew meaning which you know to be resonantly true simply because it sounds clever.
Do not eschew with your mouth open to display clearly visible see food simply because it seems clever.
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Re: Embracing Meaninglessness [Re: 4896744]
#16124968 - 04/22/12 04:37 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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iThink said: I used to claim that I did this, but upon further reflection I don't think it is true or even possible. I have recognized the lack of meaning, but when faced with this, I cling to hedonism.
I take "embracing meaninglessness" to just mean enjoying activities/life for its own sake/your own reasons and not any higher, objective purpose. This is how I live my life; it requires no effort, since I don't believe a higher purpose exists I just do what's most natural to me.
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Re: Embracing Meaninglessness [Re: 4896744]
#16125915 - 04/22/12 08:10 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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When you say "embracing meaningless", I see that as dealing with the things that are only meaningful to the individual, or what some may call "selfish thinking". But it's pretty much impossible for something you do to not affect another person. So in a sense, nothing is meaningless therefore you have nothing to embrace.
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Re: Embracing Meaninglessness [Re: 4896744]
#16126202 - 04/22/12 09:07 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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iThink said: I used to claim that I did this, but upon further reflection I don't think it is true or even possible. I have recognized the lack of meaning, but when faced with this, I cling to hedonism.
I don't think its possible either. I used to think and say that I was perfectly fine with it, but when I was actually honest with myself, I realized that I wasn't.
However I believe we can recognize how it influences our decisions, and at least gain a better understanding of ourselves.
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Re: Embracing Meaninglessness [Re: 4896744]
#16126824 - 04/22/12 11:57 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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I used to claim that I did this, but upon further reflection I don't think it is true or even possible. I have recognized the lack of meaning, but when faced with this, I cling to hedonism.
Good observation. I believe it is possible to embrace meaningless but results in suicide.
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Re: Embracing Meaninglessness [Re: 4896744]
#16127074 - 04/23/12 01:41 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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iThink said: I used to claim that I did this, but upon further reflection I don't think it is true or even possible. I have recognized the lack of meaning, but when faced with this, I cling to hedonism.
So you find meaning in hedonism?
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Re: Embracing Meaninglessness [Re: deCypher]
#16127375 - 04/23/12 06:01 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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iThink said: I used to claim that I did this, but upon further reflection I don't think it is true or even possible. I have recognized the lack of meaning, but when faced with this, I cling to hedonism.
So you find meaning in hedonism?
In a way, yes. It gives me enjoyable hobbies to occupy my self with.
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Re: Embracing Meaninglessness [Re: deCypher]
#16127396 - 04/23/12 06:14 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
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iThink said: I used to claim that I did this, but upon further reflection I don't think it is true or even possible. I have recognized the lack of meaning, but when faced with this, I cling to hedonism.
So you find meaning in hedonism?
I do also among other things. My dogs seem to like it as well.
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Re: Embracing Meaninglessness [Re: Icelander]
#16127443 - 04/23/12 06:46 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Dogs are more into fidoism. Just sayin'...
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OrgoneConclusion said: Dogs are more into fidoism. Just sayin'...
Whatever happened to dogmatism.
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Re: Embracing Meaninglessness [Re: husmmoor]
#16127504 - 04/23/12 07:27 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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It is doggone.
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