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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: SomeGuy]
    #16105759 - 04/18/12 08:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

glad to see everything is working out for you, nothing is better than seeing fruits for your first time :kaneclap:

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
    #16115630 - 04/20/12 09:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Not sure if I should be posting these questions in a new thread but this thread is pretty much my official record keeper since I didn't start a note book.

I have some major concerns & questions here. I'll post the pics as well. Let me try to spell out my situation here.

I mist once in the morning then next about 11 hrs later. Once I'm home I mist the bejeezuz out of that box, half a bottle at a time about 3-4 times over the next 4 hrs before bed. Is this OTT ? Each time I fan the box with a magazine for about a minute or less.

This was 04/18. I already picked the big one.



As you can see there's no great pinning activity. Why...? Am I misting too heavily too often in the evening ?



Hygro after 11 hrs without misting....



Temp hovers between 62-67. Started putting the light back on for that 11 hours.



As I said, apart from a few fruits no great pinning going on. That one on the left seems stunted. Maybe an abort...?







Ok, so this is my off Friday.:cool: Here's what greeted me this morning. FC was picking up direct sunlight so I pulled the plug on that. I think temp was 67.



This morning I put a fan in the box for 5 mins.



So here's my concern. I'm either doing too much or too little...or maybe a bit of both that is stopping a decent flush. By what I've just posted can anyone advise me on what it I'm doing wrong ?

Gracias !


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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
    #16115653 - 04/20/12 09:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Which sgfc tek did u read that said put a fan in the fc?

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: SimpleFarmer]
    #16115696 - 04/20/12 10:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not The leading expert but I'll tell you what I think;
1. Yes you are going a little too heavy on the misting at night. The cakes need evaporation to innitiate pinning, and if you are soaking them down that hard, water isn't going to evaporate very fast
2. your verm. on the outside is pretty weak. The verm. makes a "microclimate" between each piece and thats what helps create prolific pinning, but your verm. is a little thin. There's some tricks, I could tell you
3. it's MS right?

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: SomeGuy]
    #16115754 - 04/20/12 10:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm not The leading expert but I'll tell you what I think;
1. Yes you are going a little too heavy on the misting at night. The cakes need evaporation to innitiate pinning, and if you are soaking them down that hard, water isn't going to evaporate very fast
2. your verm. on the outside is pretty weak. The verm. makes a "microclimate" between each piece and thats what helps create prolific pinning, but your verm. is a little thin. There's some tricks, I could tell you
3. it's MS right?




1. Alright. I'll ease up on the misting a bit.
2. It had verm on to begin with but it washes off. Yes Please ! I'm all up for some tricks. I'm taking this stuff pretty seriously. I done beer brewing & wine making & was one of the best at it in our tasting club. I have a natural knack once I get the hang of it.
3. Huh...? No man, I don't suffer from that.


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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
    #16115775 - 04/20/12 10:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

MS means "multi-spore" IE you used a spore syringe to inoculate, as opposed to a liquid culture. There are so many different genetics iin there that 2 mushrooms side by side would have completely different genetics. It doesn't often help the pinset.
Here's what I do. Take the cake out of the dunk, and shake the loose water off. I put the verm in a big bowl. Lay the cake in on it's side and turn it, like you would rub butter on a corn ear. If there appears to be a thin spot, take a pinch of verm. and pet it on the spot. Put it in the fc, but DO NOT mist it AT ALL for 24 hours. After 24 hours, the mycelium has a better grip on it and it won't fall off(very much) if you mist before 24 hours, a bunch will fall off

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: SomeGuy]
    #16115837 - 04/20/12 10:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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MS means "multi-spore" IE you used a spore syringe to inoculate, as opposed to a liquid culture....



Ok, yes, its MS. I got 2 strains in there, the one only added recently. I still got some jars that are colonizing that I'll add soon. So I'll use your D&R suggestion. Thanks ! Can I patch up my current ones ?

Right ! So check this out. I moved my FC closer to a sunlight source.





Cakes are not in direct sunlight. Kinda just on the edge but I'll need to watch them.

The caps of those 2 shrooms are still soaked from this morning's misting so I reckon that condensation is pretty slow. Hopefully this might help a little.


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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
    #16115848 - 04/20/12 11:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thats pretty bright light, IMO. Do you have a white sheet to hang over that window, diffuse the light a little? Maybe some mini blinds? I wouldn't try to patch your cakes, I'd just wait until you are ready to redunk them. Usually, one would wash the old verm of(under running tap water, with a gentle rubbing by the palm of your hand) soak 24 and re-roll anyway, so you'll get it fixed up then :thumbup:

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: SimpleFarmer]
    #16115856 - 04/20/12 11:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Get that fan out of there, its just gunna blow contams around in there. your starting to over think it a lil. ease up on the fanning as well.  just k.i.s.s. and let nature do her thing.


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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: fungal_alchemist]
    #16135422 - 04/24/12 09:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

mojo checking in. No great flushes like what I see in the Shroomery but they pop up from time to time. Any reason for the trickle rather than flush ? Not very beefy either but maybe that's due to strain.









I still got 4 cakes colonizing. One in particular might have stalled. Maybe too dry...? Check it out.



Read the forums but nowhere does it say how to fix that. Can you inject water into jar ? Or....next step up for the nOOb is from BRF is a Bulk, right ? If so can I use the unfinished cake as a kick-off & what would be the best Bulk Tek for a nOOb whose never done it before ? Do I use my SG as the Bulk grower ?


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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
    #16135515 - 04/24/12 09:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You can use you're sgfc in your first venture in bulk. Crumble the cake into a small bowl and case the colonized sub with a thin layer of pasturised and field capacity 50/50 mix coir and verm . Place in sgfc fruit like cakes. good luck

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mushypanda]
    #16135611 - 04/24/12 09:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You can use you're sgfc in your first venture in bulk. Crumble the cake into a small bowl and case the colonized sub with a thin layer of pasturised and field capacity 50/50 mix coir and verm . Place in sgfc fruit like cakes. good luck




Thanks Panda ! Not sure what you mean by 'field capacity' though. So to pasturize it I can PC it, right ? This might be this weekend's exercise if I knock another SG together & try to slip it by the missus somehow.


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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
    #16137341 - 04/25/12 09:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

When a substrate is at "field capacity" it means its hold as much water as possible, without dripping. if you were to squeeze the substrate it would drip a bit but only if you squeezed it. also what are your temps at? If they are still in the upper 60's you might want to think about raising temps to the mid 70's, it might help with growth.


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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
    #16140387 - 04/25/12 11:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You don't pasteurize in your pc. That is for sterilization. A simple 'quasi' pasteurization for coir and verm works just fine. All you need is your substrate in a clean bucket with tight fitting lid and boiling some water on the stove add to sub mix cover and leave closed for an hour, come back and mix if necessary and allow to cool before using as casing or using adding spawn if using as a bulk substrate.

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Re: First Timer all round & near hitting a panic [Re: mojoraisin]
    #16190370 - 05/06/12 01:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The ongoing saga of this nOOb's first time growing effort. Here's my cakes 5 days ago. Pretty much nothing new since then.



Notices some fluff growth on one cake. This is the one I turned upside down so shroom on underside could grow without toppling the cake. Turned it right side up again & saw this. Doesn't seem to be thriving though.



Here's my cakes today...



Three cakes on right are new additions. The albino was an in vitro. No pinning or anything else happening after about 8 days after birthing...?



Here's close-ups of pins on older cakes that have surrendered. Are those aborts? Is theis the end of the 1st flush & is it time to dunk again?





Here's a question regarding FAE & my new cakes that aren't fruiting. Is it possible that there might be organic growth in the perlite layer? When misting the cakes there is some runoff into the perlite layer which could provide an ideal environment for some growth...? If so would that growth not suck O2 out of the growth chamber or release CO2 into the chamber? It seams feasible & if so how would I remedy it? Thanks in advance, kind folks.


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