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Re: Unbinding cultural chains. [Re: White Beard]
    #16103473 - 04/17/12 07:12 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

How would they treat both pleasure and pain then? Just disregard? Focused attention? I don't really know :shrug: What is death anxiety?


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Re: Unbinding cultural chains. [Re: xFrockx]
    #16103501 - 04/17/12 07:17 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Death anxiety is the egos fear that it is unimportant, insignificant, and impermanent. The way the ego has to function is it has to see itself as number 1 always. The idea of death makes a mockery of this.

Someone without death anxiety would have to have no ego whatsoever (this is probably impossible, so we all have DA to some degree.), so pleasure and pain would probably be sensations occurring in the body, and they would be treated indifferently. I'm just guessing here.


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Re: Unbinding cultural chains. [Re: White Beard]
    #16103542 - 04/17/12 07:25 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

"the ego's fear"

I do not see what this is either. It is as if you are suggesting there is this thing that exists in a human (the ego), and anthropomorphizing on it. I don't buy it.


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Re: Unbinding cultural chains. [Re: xFrockx]
    #16103564 - 04/17/12 07:31 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Do you have no sense of self?


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Re: Unbinding cultural chains. [Re: White Beard]
    #16103617 - 04/17/12 07:44 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not sure. What is a sense of self?


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Re: Unbinding cultural chains. [Re: xFrockx]
    #16103635 - 04/17/12 07:49 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Can you distinguish yourself from other things? Do you feel separate from the universe?


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Re: Unbinding cultural chains. [Re: White Beard]
    #16103651 - 04/17/12 07:52 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

From my experience self is just a thought pattern that tries to give itself continuity in time and space as a real thing.


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Re: Unbinding cultural chains. [Re: White Beard]
    #16103684 - 04/17/12 08:01 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know what a self is, or where the boundaries lay that would make "me" a seperate "thing." I don't know if there are "things" either. I'm not saying I experience nothing, I'm saying I'm not sure about the individuation of things from a(the?) whole. I don't know if anything is truly separate.


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Re: Unbinding cultural chains. [Re: xFrockx]
    #16103698 - 04/17/12 08:04 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, I agree with you on that point, yet there are still strong mental tenancies to think of myself as a separate bubble from the rest of the universe even though I know that to be not true. :shrug:


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Re: Unbinding cultural chains. [Re: White Beard]
    #16103708 - 04/17/12 08:05 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I wouldn't say I know that not to be true, but I don't disagree with your observation.


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Re: Unbinding cultural chains. [Re: xFrockx]
    #16103721 - 04/17/12 08:09 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Okay, how about, I have no way of knowing I'm separate from anything, but there seems to be a mental pattern that seems almost certain it is separate from the rest of the universe even though that knowledge couldn't be known in certainty.


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Re: Unbinding cultural chains. [Re: White Beard]
    #16103736 - 04/17/12 08:11 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

The only part I'm not sure about there is that knowledge couldn't be known with certainty. Although I wouldn't argue that it could be.


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Re: Unbinding cultural chains. [Re: xFrockx]
    #16103748 - 04/17/12 08:12 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Well, I don't have that knowledge.


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Re: Unbinding cultural chains. [Re: White Beard]
    #16103757 - 04/17/12 08:14 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Well I do and for $50 I'll share.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Unbinding cultural chains. [Re: Icelander]
    #16103765 - 04/17/12 08:15 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Sorry, I'm outta funds at the moment. :shrug:

Too bad, perhaps I'll learn the mysteries of my existence another time.


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Re: Unbinding cultural chains. [Re: White Beard]
    #16103827 - 04/17/12 08:30 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

If you wait it might cost you a c note.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Unbinding cultural chains. [Re: White Beard]
    #16103855 - 04/17/12 08:39 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe you separate and together at same time?

Expand contract redact tact my name is Jimmy and I'm a class act.

To unbind the cultural chains, can you just start your own culture?

Contradictory to your story I'm an allegory for paradox.

I've got $10 on the "Remove-Icelander's-prostate--while-revealing-knowledge fund"

Anybody else?


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Re: Unbinding cultural chains. [Re: Kupo]
    #16103874 - 04/17/12 08:42 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I'll give an address where to send the cash.  I promise I'll use it for it's intended purpose. :pope:


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