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Re: Are we getting somewhere with all of this? [Re: geokills]
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Re: Are we getting somewhere with all of this? [Re: chinacat72]
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Re: Are we getting somewhere with all of this? [Re: World Spirit]
#1615980 - 06/07/03 12:31 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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i agree with enter we need balls. for years norml has tried to legalize marijuana silently and almost secretly aside from the occasional willie nelson add everyfew years its never in the spotlight. i didnt even know they excisted until i started reading on the internet about drugs. we need a strong and unified voice and it has to be vocal. that involves balls. besides if they shut this down we could just call it something different and put it all back up again kinda like when napster went down and kazaa went up. so i guess my point is enough of the waiting we must act and we must have balls. peace
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Re: Are we getting somewhere with all of this? [Re: blaze2]
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Re: Are we getting somewhere with all of this? [Re: World Spirit]
#1616372 - 06/07/03 10:12 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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We must have balls people. Not uncarefully, but cautiously and intelligently.
This is exactlly my point Enter. This may be paranoia, but paranoia serves it's purpose if not taken to far. We are not the goverment, we may be right ,but we are now a minority. I'm not against a legalization push at all. I'm saying though before we make such push lets think about this. I see using shroomery.org to launch it as potentially dangerous. The senerio I see as a possibility. An effort is made sponsered by the shroomery. Said effort starts to make progress, which would be it's goal. Political waves are made and attention is drawn to our cause. As this happens more and more people with influence are made aware of our goal. So as politicians and lawmakers see that there is a push to legalize mushrooms they begin to investigate. Now i'm well aware that the shroomery.org is probably known about by varous goverment organizations. But is never been the backing of a political push. Now these politicians who are investigating our cause look into it and it's source. They see that the shroomery.org is it's foundation. They come here and they browse around. There not going to see a site devoted to our sacred fungi. There going to see a site devoted to making and consuming a sceduale one controlled substance. Now granted this site is totally legal, but here's the problem. If they don't like this political push(which some if not many won't) then there going to look for a way to stop it. Since it's foundation is the shroomery there going to come in here and try to tear it apart(like they do any target). Now they can't shut us down, but they look for ways to stop us. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the legality of spores are an important part to our strength. Not only do they pay the bills, but give new people the chance to experiance the wonders of psilocybin. All these people who are able to trip because of what they learn here and can get spores legally. These are now folks on our side and they start to share our belief's about the mushroom. Politicians are going to start looking for targets to weaken us. Spores are an easy target. They might already be in trouble with the PF deal. After a couple minutes on our website they'll see that spores usually are not used for "microscopic use". But rather for illegal purposes. Do you think that they would have that much trouble banding some of there fellow lawmakers together to get rid of spores. Do you think lawmakers that stroll through the shroomerys forums such as cultivation,grow logs, ODD, and OTD are going to be impressed and embrace our cause? Granted this site isn't a secret, but they have other stuff to worry about and we are not a problem. That is until we start making a legalization push from shroomery.org.
I may be foggy on exactlly your intentions. If you just want to make a page devoted to what it would take to legalize mushrooms then there probably isn't a lot of harm in it. If you want to make a full on push then a seperate, "cleaner" site might be best. One that when looked at by opposing politicians won't have targets all over it. For one you want to get the support and interaction of Stament, Shulgin, ext, and ext. Do you think that these folks are going to do this with the shroomery? I don't really know, but imagine they would be more willing to help a site that wasn't full of interactive forums of people breaking the law. I don't imagine OTD or even ODD will help in that regards.Could be totally wrong ,but it's a thought.
I think your wanting to push on this issue is good Enter. It sickens me that it's illegal to consume a mushroom that can have such a positive effect on mankind. We are all on the same team. Just because i'm questioning you plan doesn't mean I don't support it. I'm not even saying i'm right, but that we should consider all possibility's. I may be paranoid, but that comes after many years on tour playing cat and mouse with the DEA. When I retired my paranoia didn't. I have experianced firsthand the wrath of "our goverment". I'm not saying we should not fight this battle, but lets do it carefully so we can win. 
This could all be paranoid delusions of mine, but the purpose of this forum and website is to interact and exchange and discuss info. This makes us stronger and smarter. As for your ideas about beefing up the pictures and and the website , thats fine with me. Anything that improves the shroomery is good.
As for your legalization push what is your platform? Religous, medical, constitutional right, or all the above? I see medical as the best way. Not that this should be the your movements plattform. As you know i'm in the middle of a 9 year acedemic journey to get the proper credentials to possibly help on the medical front. This is 9 years of my life and my complete retirement i'm giving up so as to hopefully be able to help with the research that will show psychedelics can be of great value when used properlly. I am fully supportive of your or any cause to relax or get rid of the laws on mushrooms or any drug. I have devoted the rest of my years to this on the medical front. Were all on the same team here Enter. My worry's could be just that, my worry's. But lets be carefull and smart how we fight this and every battle. Losing spores would be disasterous to our future generations. You and I may not have to ever worry about that, but what about the newbie from Idaho who doesn't know anybody or anything. If he loses the chance to experiance psilocybin then we lose a supporter and believer and the world is worse off for that.
I'm interested to here other's feedback on this issue. Especially ones who are in a better position to give advice than myself. Mr. Mushrooms is an vacation, but would probably be able to give sound advice since he's more intune to such things.
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Re: Are we getting somewhere with all of this? [Re: ]
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Re: Are we getting somewhere with all of this? [Re: chinacat72]
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Re: Are we getting somewhere with all of this? [Re: chinacat72]
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Re: Are we getting somewhere with all of this? [Re: World Spirit]
#1616492 - 06/07/03 11:38 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Um....Freedom of speech NOT!!!!!!
Try this URL and you will quickly see what I mean
http://www.isonews.com/
Now I used to go to this site as it posted news and NFO's but all it had was banners for mod-chips and now look at it.
Exactly what do you think they will do when they catch on and realize that this site and others are breaking the law by having everything you could possible need to cultivate illegal mushrooms all in one place?
I have personaly PMd mods here and elsewhere about this and practicly got laughed at, by giving information on how to cultivate and banner ads linking to places to purchase spores which can then be used to cultivate shrooms on the same web page you are doing the EXACT same thing as this guy and if you read the laws used against PF this place is in danger of being shut down (if not worse)
So I say why try to attract even MORE unwanted attention to an already risky business.
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Re: Are we getting somewhere with all of this? [Re: ]
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Re: Are we getting somewhere with all of this? [Re: World Spirit]
#1617498 - 06/07/03 11:56 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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My friend, we are not going to hold a mass protest outdoors with cheap signs that say "Yahoo for me cuz I like da fungus."
We're going to eloquently and intelligently write a few well-designed pages that are factual, truthful, detailed-at-times, and business-like . These pages aren't going to be a cry against the President either, whom I will be voting for in the upcoming election given his competition will be exceedingly difficult to trust in comparison. Just look at the candidates that the democrats are sending for the position. Anyway, wait til you see it before you judge it. It's going to happen as long as the Admins support this cause and the content is pleasing to them. I wish everyone would lend me their support and trust that the words will tread cautiously yet with a fervent intensity that awakes the reader within.
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i just lost all respect for you...
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Re: Are we getting somewhere with all of this? [Re: blaze2]
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Re: Are we getting somewhere with all of this? [Re: World Spirit]
#1617639 - 06/08/03 01:31 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is there any chance that mushrooms get legalized under Bush?
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Re: Are we getting somewhere with all of this? [Re: ]
#1617698 - 06/08/03 02:29 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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im sorry i havent really lost all respect for you. its more that i pity you. i pity the fool that would come up with some good ideas and then throw them down the drain by voting for the dumbest man ever to win the presidency. and your ideas are still good. but paradis is right also it should be done from a different domain. on another note i got here after the whole ripper thing happened. i always hear about it and was hoping someone could maybe clue me in on what went down. if someone could pm me about it that would be great since i dont want to hijack the thread. peace
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Re: Are we getting somewhere with all of this? [Re: zeronio]
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Re: Are we getting somewhere with all of this? [Re: blaze2]
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Re: Are we getting somewhere with all of this? [Re: World Spirit]
#1617726 - 06/08/03 03:14 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have something in common with both the President and Colin Powell: Christianity
Since when is Christianity a well-defined set of principles? Christianity contains so much hypocrisy that history is FULL of Christians killing each other because their beliefs contradict.
And please, please don't vote for Bush just because he's a Christian or because the democrats can't come up with someone better for him to run against... Why does everyone feel the need to vote for either a democrat or a republican? Whatever happened to voting for the person you think is qualified for the job? What the fuck? This country is a big fake puppet show. Fuck democrats, fuck republicans.
PS- If the U.S. shut down the Shroomery couldn't it just be re-opened from another country or something?
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