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Re: has anyone else been through something like this? [Re: Raven Gnosis]
#16068477 - 04/10/12 01:24 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Raven Gnosis said: Who and what are you betraying? I'm deeply 'spiritual' but that does not halt or get in the way for my quest for knowledge and understanding... I love the sciences and the capacities they potentially carry for the welfare and progression of our species.
I think the biggest problem you may be having with it emotionally is reflected in this quote by Martin Luther King Jr. "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." Martin Luther King, Jr.
Just be a good man with the knowledge you attain.
hmmm. i might say it is like betraying my commitment to unbelief. (ive heard it called devout agnosticism.) its easy to go around believing what the expert scientists say. but as was said above, there are probabilties invloved. uncertainty! its wonderful
but as i said immediatley after trying to describe my feelings in the op, IT ISNT SERIOUS. i could have been more careful i suppose
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Re: has anyone else been through something like this? [Re: venetianblinds]
#16068479 - 04/10/12 01:25 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Close one eye and watch, open, then close the other and watch. You'll see that one of the eyes was more comfortable working alone. This could indicate which brain half is more dominant.
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Re: has anyone else been through something like this? [Re: teknix]
#16068500 - 04/10/12 01:32 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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teknix said: Like when you see a picture or think something, where is the general and relative location of that thought or image? Generally in the head or brain right? Now think about when you feel love for someone close to you, is that feeling also existing in the head or brain?
ive heard various answers to this kind of thing. i prefer to avoid answering it all and just say how it seems to be to the observer. i dont know. its hard to say it is anywhere, because it moves and changes
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Re: has anyone else been through something like this? [Re: venetianblinds]
#16068507 - 04/10/12 01:34 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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see this is interesting, because with writing and some art forms, people can put down their thoughts, and those thoughts ( or at least an interpretation) can 'get it' the next guys head, and so on.
haha, where is the thought again?
-------------------- How do you know but ev’ry Bird that cuts the airy way, Is an immense world of delight, clos’d by your senses five?
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Re: has anyone else been through something like this? [Re: venetianblinds]
#16068516 - 04/10/12 01:37 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, I don't have an objective explanation :P
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Re: has anyone else been through something like this? [Re: venetianblinds]
#16068523 - 04/10/12 01:39 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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venetianblinds said:
It's easy to go around believing what the expert scientists say. but as was said above, there are probabilties invloved. uncertainty! its wonderful
It's just as easy to go around believing what some pastor or guru says too...
I always approach information and life in general with humility... We are born into these strange circumstances... What the hell is this even? What the hell are we and where are we?... We can answer none of those with certainty... Human ignorance in most regards is still abysmal beyond comprehension, for anyone to take an attitude of presumptuous and arrogant authority instead of humility, no matter how much they may know, is a disservice to themselves and the intellect of all people.
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Re: has anyone else been through something like this? [Re: Raven Gnosis]
#16068531 - 04/10/12 01:41 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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i agree completely
id even say the more i learn, the less i know, because more questions appear
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Re: has anyone else been through something like this? [Re: venetianblinds]
#16068551 - 04/10/12 01:48 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Like just beginning college I was wondering why masters and doctorate levels are so focus'd, now I can see it is because there is way more information than anyone person could ever know that has been accumulating for thousands of years.
The more you learn, the more you realize how little you really know.
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Re: has anyone else been through something like this? [Re: teknix]
#16068554 - 04/10/12 01:50 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think it is important to be picky about what you dedicate to memory for that reason.
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Re: has anyone else been through something like this? [Re: teknix]
#16068572 - 04/10/12 02:00 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Look up stuff about the pineal gland. Its in the middle of your brain and called the third eye basically. I dont think they know what goes on when you trip but they know it involves seretonin.
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Re: has anyone else been through something like this? [Re: Linus]
#16068580 - 04/10/12 02:03 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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For the memory thing too, my short term memory is shit and I dont like to store useless stuff. I was looking up stuff about working memory last night and it makes sense. For instance a friend was asking me what song A day in the life was, with the lyrics and stuff, and I didnt know or care to grasp it. Then he was like I thought you were a Beatles fat you got ten seconds and I got it in two lol. I almost felt like i offended him by offering so little energy to it the first time. Its hard to explain but whatever. It has to do more with making useful connections and applying vs knowing facts.
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Re: has anyone else been through something like this? [Re: teknix]
#16069867 - 04/10/12 12:14 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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teknix said: I think it is plausible that your feel like a traitor due to a misconception of what science is, or what you thought it was.
Like science doesn't prove anything, it only collects evidence and determines what is most probable, nothing absolute. It pretty much how we can work together to verify objectivity and bring more of the subjectivity to the objective realm.
I would say that's old science. Which is still around today but a lot of the Science of today is ruining our world and they know it. Ie. Western Medicine
You blame medicine, I blame the monetary system and corruption in government as well as tradition. The reason that the paradigm shift hasn't happened is because many times we must wait for the old surviving members of the pre-existing paradigm to die.(IE; you can't teach an old dog new tricks, and the old dogs has the seniority)
You're totally right, thank you
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Re: has anyone else been through something like this? [Re: Galidor4]
#16069987 - 04/10/12 12:42 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think this tendency to shun science and embrace mysticism is partially based on two fronts: one, the mystical camp claims at least some version of (T)ruth, so it feels more meaningful to unearth insights within this domain. Secondly, because so many of us were raised within rigid ideological frameworks, we perceive the best way to develop our knowledge of the world is by investigating the anti-thesis of our bubbled upbringing. Spirituality then has an extra "contrarian" flare to it; it's enticing as forbidden fruit, as the discarded but enticing films that you weren't allowed to see.
From a purely psychological perspective, you could intellectually be more predisposed to literary thinking, as opposed to analytical rationalism - which is typical of the physical sciences.
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Re: has anyone else been through something like this? [Re: Symbols]
#16070913 - 04/10/12 03:30 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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in a dream i had recently they told me to learn more math and science.
-------------------- "i will study and prepare myself so that when my opportunity comes i will be ready" Abraham Lincoln
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Re: has anyone else been through something like this? [Re: Goose]
#16070944 - 04/10/12 03:40 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Science has always been our key to the miraculous, with replicatable evidence to back it. Just imagine how astonished our ancient ancestors would be by our current technology Yet there is still room for self-evidence within science and logic to afford subjectivity and creativity its own place, which becomes relevant when seeking love, induction, and even frontier science.
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Re: has anyone else been through something like this? [Re: teknix]
#16070993 - 04/10/12 03:52 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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A spiritual seekers mind is akin to a scientific mind in determining what is the truth, with scrutiny.
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Re: has anyone else been through something like this? [Re: teknix]
#16078383 - 04/11/12 11:57 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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teknix said: Science has always been our key to the miraculous, with replicatable evidence to back it. Just imagine how astonished our ancient ancestors would be by our current technology Yet there is still room for self-evidence within science and logic to afford subjectivity and creativity its own place, which becomes relevant when seeking love, induction, and even frontier science.
Personally, I think our ancestors would be completely ashamed at how society is today, specifically how under developed our technology is compared to where our science is.
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