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My first WBS grow MSG
    #16074443 - 04/11/12 08:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This seems to have taken forever but I finally have results. Here's a link to where it all started My First WBS Jars. so with that in mind I spawned the jars to Damion5050's coir tek with some gypsum in a MSG. The thing was taking forever to colonize (I peeked allot) and one day I noticed 2 shrooms were growing before fully colonizing so I figured it was ready to fruit or contaminate. I fruited it, and here are the results so far.....


Wet weight so far: 198.2 Gs (6 shrooms)
Pics from last night 4/12


4/15/12 - First flush wet weight 615.4 grams - 4 hour dunk, but not fully submerged due to top layer issues.

4/17/12 - I have the dates messed up a little (date mods on transfers) but these pics are from last night. I dont know why the caps are having a hard time opening. It seems like the veil is too strong and just stretches as the stipe grows, or it's a weak ass cap, or not enough FAE, or.....?


4/24/12 - This looks tasty :cheers:


Second flush wet weight: 185.8

4/25/12 - Nice close-up of 3rd flush pins. I'm surprised at how pronounced each flush has been. The sub has shrank allot and there are some biggies growing up the sides.


4/28/12


Third flush wet weight: 201.7

4/30/12 - Grow Complete. I will call it a success.

Edited by billb (05/02/12 08:48 AM)

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Re: My first WBS grow MSG [Re: billb]
    #16074902 - 04/11/12 11:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I am still pretty new to this, but I think you may have gotten two different teks mixed up.  If you are going for the Shotgun type, you have to use Perlite to maintain humidity and your spawn needs to be in a tray, sitting on top of the perlite, in the MSG.

It looks like you spawned to a bulk substrate in a MSG.  Bulk Substrates should go into a Mono tub which is built differently.  It has less holes but are much larger to accommodate Fresh Air Exchange. Polyfill or some other filter material is generally used to fill the holes in a monotub to help filter out contaminates. Without the Perlite, you will have issues maintaining good relative humidity and is probably why you are not getting a good grow.  You should have much more than just a few shrooms.

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Re: My first WBS grow MSG [Re: Shroomacabra]
    #16074991 - 04/11/12 11:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I am still pretty new to this, but I think you may have gotten two different teks mixed up.  If you are going for the Shotgun type, you have to use Perlite to maintain humidity and your spawn needs to be in a tray, sitting on top of the perlite, in the MSG.

It looks like you spawned to a bulk substrate in a MSG.  Bulk Substrates should go into a Mono tub which is built differently.  It has less holes but are much larger to accommodate Fresh Air Exchange. Polyfill or some other filter material is generally used to fill the holes in a monotub to help filter out contaminates. Without the Perlite, you will have issues maintaining good relative humidity and is probably why you are not getting a good grow.  You should have much more than just a few shrooms.




He used this TEK: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10713572/fpart/1/vc/1

It's a hybrid SGFC/Monotub, or MSG for "mono-shotgun"

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Re: My first WBS grow MSG [Re: Shroomacabra]
    #16075225 - 04/11/12 12:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I am still pretty new to this, but I think you may have gotten two different teks mixed up.  If you are going for the Shotgun type, you have to use Perlite to maintain humidity and your spawn needs to be in a tray, sitting on top of the perlite, in the MSG.

It looks like you spawned to a bulk substrate in a MSG.  Bulk Substrates should go into a Mono tub which is built differently.  It has less holes but are much larger to accommodate Fresh Air Exchange. Polyfill or some other filter material is generally used to fill the holes in a monotub to help filter out contaminates. Without the Perlite, you will have issues maintaining good relative humidity and is probably why you are not getting a good grow.  You should have much more than just a few shrooms.



Thanks for the input, you should read up on all the different teks. Regarding the few shrooms, those 3 were the first to pop, they're many more now.

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Re: My first WBS grow MSG [Re: billb]
    #16075282 - 04/11/12 12:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Thanks for the input, you should read up on all the different teks. Regarding the few shrooms, those 3 were the first to pop, they're many more now.




Mind posting some more pics? I'm moving up to grains soon and I built a couple of MSG's to work with. I'd love to see some good pictures of someone else's MSG grow.

Congrats, btw, keep up the good the work :thumbup:

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Re: My first WBS grow MSG [Re: Sma]
    #16075303 - 04/11/12 12:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the info.  Will do.

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Re: My first WBS grow MSG [Re: Sma]
    #16075352 - 04/11/12 12:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Thanks for the input, you should read up on all the different teks. Regarding the few shrooms, those 3 were the first to pop, they're many more now.




Mind posting some more pics? I'm moving up to grains soon and I built a couple of MSG's to work with. I'd love to see some good pictures of someone else's MSG grow.

Congrats, btw, keep up the good the work :thumbup:



Thanks, I will keep updating this thread till the grow is complete. Grains are the way to go, and so far i'm loving the MSG (thx Doc T) I have 2 other ones with PE but they're still colonizing.

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Re: My first WBS grow MSG [Re: billb]
    #16096754 - 04/16/12 08:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So, for the first flush I got a total of 615.4 wet grams out of this MSG. Too many mushies to let sit around on a screen, in front of a fan, so I went and bought a dehydrator. The MSG kicks ass!!!!

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Re: My first WBS grow MSG [Re: billb]
    #16096770 - 04/16/12 08:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

so these are B+ from LC innoced wbs right? no casing just fruited before total colonization correct?never the lest well done sir.
big shrooms for you. :mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:


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Re: My first WBS grow MSG [Re: cubes4cancer]
    #16096809 - 04/16/12 09:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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so these are B+ from LC innoced wbs right? no casing just fruited before total colonization correct?never the lest well done sir.
big shrooms for you. :mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:



Thanks for the :mushroom2: C4C You are correct, when I spawned it I put a layer of sub on top and it never fully colonized. It got major side pinning and shrank up allot. So last night I put the MSG in a bigger tub and filled the bigger tub with water till the sub floated up and I was able to pic all the side pins. I tried not to saturate the top but still wanted to wet it, so I kinda did a quick dunk and then drained it and fanned the hell out of it......hopefully I didn't mess it up too bad!!!

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Re: My first WBS grow MSG [Re: billb]
    #16096925 - 04/16/12 10:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Is it likely that you pinned early due to excessive peeking? Introduction of fresh air maybe?


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Re: My first WBS grow MSG [Re: Lifted1]
    #16096973 - 04/16/12 10:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Is it likely that you pinned early due to excessive peeking? Introduction of fresh air maybe?



Bingo!!! I know better now. After I bag em, I cut a square of bag away and tape the edges down to make a little window so I can see what's going on.

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Re: My first WBS grow MSG [Re: billb]
    #16096983 - 04/16/12 10:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Is it likely that you pinned early due to excessive peeking? Introduction of fresh air maybe?



Bingo!!! I know better now. After I bag em, I cut a square of bag away and tape the edges down to make a little window so I can see what's going on.





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Re: My first WBS grow MSG [Re: Lifted1]
    #16137289 - 04/25/12 08:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

some nice shots of 3rd flush coming in (also in OP)

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Re: My first WBS grow MSG [Re: billb]
    #16164661 - 05/01/12 09:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I picked the last 5 yesterday and called it quits on this tub. After I picked em I had to see what was happening with the sub and it turns out that I did a crappy job at mixing the spawn and sub. The very bottom never fully colonized and the top layer of sub never fully colonized. I should of took a pic, it kinda looked like a sandwich of sorts. My lessons learned with this grow are... Properly mix the sub and spawn, use a liner and dont put a thick layer of sub on top. Considering my fuck ups, and this being my first tub, I will call it a success. After 3 flushes, I got a total of 1,003.9 wet grams.

Thanks Shroomery!!!!!

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Re: My first WBS grow MSG [Re: billb]
    #16164786 - 05/01/12 10:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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After 3 flushes, I got a total of 1,003.9 wet grams.





Woot! :mushroomgrow:


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Re: My first WBS grow MSG [Re: billb]
    #16164796 - 05/01/12 10:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Nice job Billb :cool:

Going to chime in here just so I can keep track of this thread...

I've just spawned to coir in a couple of 55 litre MSGs (first grow) the MSG tek seemed to make the most sense for my setup. Well done, I'm a little more hopeful now.


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Re: My first WBS grow MSG [Re: Lothar]
    #16164889 - 05/01/12 10:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

And a big thanks to you Doc T for the design.

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Nice job Billb :cool:

Going to chime in here just so I can keep track of this thread...

I've just spawned to coir in a couple of 55 litre MSGs (first grow) the MSG tek seemed to make the most sense for my setup. Well done, I'm a little more hopeful now.




I highly recommend this set up. If I would of prepared the tub properly I'm sure I would of got more mush. Good Luck Lothar:cheers:

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Re: My first WBS grow MSG [Re: billb]
    #16164904 - 05/01/12 10:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Try casing with wax paper next time, see if it makes a difference for you.


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Re: My first WBS grow MSG [Re: Doc_T]
    #16164938 - 05/01/12 10:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Try casing with wax paper next time, see if it makes a difference for you.



I have two other MSG's going and one has wax paper on it and the other I may of screwed up on.....it consolidated, the sub started shrinking, prim was growing but then stopped. I noticed the RH was maintaining at around 70ish and I couldn't get it to stay up for longer then a few hours at a time, so I threw a thin layer of verm on it and been misting and fanning around 4-5 times a day. The RH has been maintaining around 85-90 now so hopefully if works out.

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