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OfflineMilio
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Commercial Music.
    #1607351 - 06/04/03 09:56 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I hate projects made for money.... Everything that starts as an art ends as a market.

what's your thought on this? Agree?
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Re: Commercial Music. [Re: Milio]
    #1607385 - 06/04/03 10:37 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

You know what i think, i think you should have an avatar..


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Re: Commercial Music. [Re: Fliquid]
    #1607468 - 06/04/03 11:42 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

You know what i think, i think that i hate all artists whose cds are constantly advertised on tv. If you need to use a commercial, it's probably not worth buying.

And yes, an avatar is in order.


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Re: Commercial Music. [Re: Milio]
    #1607563 - 06/04/03 12:27 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

just because an artist got suckered into signing a contract with Universal or Columbia and in turn got publicity plastered all over TV and magazines and other bullshit, doesn't mean their music is crap. I'm sick of all these pains in the ass who whine about "commercial music" and it turns out they listen to linkin park or some other such "commercial music" themselves. talent is talent. whether or not an artist decided to jump on the money train doesn't change that.


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Re: Commercial Music. [Re: Pala]
    #1607706 - 06/04/03 01:27 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

When it comes to Britney Spears and other shit pop acts, you know it's just for money, hell they don't even write most of their own songs.

And yes, an avatar is in order.

What's with you people and avatars? maybe he/she doesn't want an image to be associated with his/her name, let them be and mind your own account.


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Re: Commercial Music. [Re: Milio]
    #1607968 - 06/04/03 03:01 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

"As soon as you do a commercial, you're off the artistic roll-call forever. End of story"--Bill Hicks

I was just thinking about this recently. I was wondering if it's just as bad for an artist to do a movie soundtrack, since basically they're advertising the movie.


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Re: Commercial Music. [Re: silversoul7]
    #1608258 - 06/04/03 04:40 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

"I'm sick of all these pains in the ass who whine about "commercial music" and it turns out they listen to linkin park or some other such "commercial music" themselves. "

I'll tell you that I don't listen to Linkin Park AT ALL. In fact I don't think there's a piece of music on my computer that I can't defend as being artistic rather than commercial. I could post you my collection of albums, if you'd like.

That said, I think that commercial music has its place, just not in my CD player.


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Re: Commercial Music. [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #1608883 - 06/04/03 08:04 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)


just because an artist got suckered into signing a contract with Universal or Columbia and in turn got publicity plastered all over TV and magazines and other bullshit, doesn't mean their music is crap.

I agree to a degree, but a real artist wouldn't sell their souls to Universal or Colombia! Dat just showz theyz init fo da moniez, yo. Fuk dat shit!


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Re: Commercial Music. [Re: Murex]
    #1609683 - 06/05/03 12:51 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I fail to see what is wrong with making music for money.

HB makes art for money. When arts bring in money, it just means more art will be made.


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Re: Commercial Music. [Re: slime_R]
    #1609691 - 06/05/03 12:57 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

I fail to see what is wrong with making music for money.

HB makes art for money. When arts bring in money, it just means more art will be made.



I agree, to a certain extent. I want to be a career musician. I don't necessarily want to make millions of dollars, tho that would be nice, but I want to make a decent living off of it. Why? Because I'd rather be doing that than working in an office job. But whoring your music away in commercials selling products just for a little extra money is just totally degrading, especially after you've already made it. If you're an up-and-coming artist still struggling to make it, then I guess I can look the other way, but not if everyone already knows about you. But I don't necessarily see anything wrong with promoting your music on TV.


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Re: Commercial Music. [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #1610292 - 06/05/03 04:20 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

just because an artist got suckered into signing a contract with Universal or Columbia and in turn got publicity plastered all over TV and magazines and other bullshit, doesn't mean their music is crap. I'm sick of all these pains in the ass who whine about "commercial music" and it turns out they listen to linkin park or some other such "commercial music" themselves. talent is talent. whether or not an artist decided to jump on the money train doesn't change that. 




I wasn't complaining about the artist, he's probably happy doing his thing in music what he likes. But you and I probably don't know what restrictions in his creativity are done by his recordcompany and all the other company's involved in the artist as a product. Often you hear about people leaving a group or boy band because they can't produce the music they want because of the restrictions.

kindly requesting you to not draw conclusions next time...  :smirk: 


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Re: Commercial Music. [Re: Milio]
    #1610313 - 06/05/03 04:29 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

See your PM's bud..


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Re: Commercial Music. [Re: slime_R]
    #1610325 - 06/05/03 04:35 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

I fail to see what is wrong with making music for money.

HB makes art for money. When arts bring in money, it just means more art will be made.




I agree on this, only if an artist goes commercially or his music starts to get commercial this will often influence the quality of the art. That would be a shame


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Re: Commercial Music. [Re: Milio]
    #1610359 - 06/05/03 04:46 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Commercial Music. [Re: Fliquid]
    #1610510 - 06/05/03 05:37 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks my friend ;-)


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Re: Commercial Music. [Re: Milio]
    #1612257 - 06/05/03 06:25 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I think a lot of the pop musicians don't really care too much about the actual music they put out, but they enjoy the process of making it and the whole business attatched to it.

People become doctors because they like the work and the whole aspect of helping people out. Some pop musicians are the same. They like the work, and they like giving music to people and making them happy. The backstreet boys have put more smiles on peoples faces than everyone here combined. Think of all the little girls that have been so incredibly ecstatic (i'm talking pop a good roll happy) to see them or go to one of their concerts that they will remember it for the rest of their lives.

Pushing ones musical judgment onto people is petty and worthless.


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Re: Commercial Music. [Re: slime_R]
    #1612369 - 06/05/03 07:11 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

that's a good point, slime. But I think most pop musicians don't care about anything but the end result--money. Sure, those who enjoy the business attached to it, and enjoy making people happy with it have more credibility than those who only make music for the money they would get from it.

In our society it is impossible to be a career artist and not make music for money. But the difference is the REASON why you make the music, is it solely to make the MOST money you can (ie, the shallow pop music)? Or is it because you love the art, and wish to express your talent while maintaining your self-respect? And, support yourself from it.

At least, that's how I see it, and i'm planning to go in that direction.

But using your music to sell a product unrelated, now that's shallow, lame, and disrespectful to your own talent. I can't speak from experience obv, but it's amazing how a dollar sign could be put on pimping out your creativity.


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