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Grapefruit
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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: White Beard]
#16071628 - 04/10/12 06:02 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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White Beard said: Yeah, I agree.
UG said something along the lines of thoughts are a neurological problem.
Yeah, UG is where I heard that philosophy. It makes perfect sense to me that our dreams, desires and philosophies are contrary to optimal survival in accordance with the red in tooth and claw and therefore flaws in thought / the neurological system. I also agree with him that it seems highly idealistic and impractical for a human not functioning like that to think that they can function in that way through following a system or that it would somehow improve their lives. We all have to make do for the now.
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White Beard

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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: Icelander]
#16071827 - 04/10/12 06:46 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
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White Beard said: Can there be any ownership of anything? Where does the fear of loss come from? A mistake between what is illusory and what is real?
Fear of loss is a basic aspect of death anxiety. If you can lose anything, then you can lose yourself. This mostly operates on an unconscious level imo.
It appears to me that the self is just a collection of things perceived owned, so when someone loses their wife, for example, that was part of how they defined themselves, thus they slightly disappear because of the loss.
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White Beard

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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: Grapefruit]
#16071849 - 04/10/12 06:51 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Grapefruit said:
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White Beard said: Yeah, I agree.
UG said something along the lines of thoughts are a neurological problem.
Yeah, UG is where I heard that philosophy. It makes perfect sense to me that our dreams, desires and philosophies are contrary to optimal survival in accordance with the red in tooth and claw and therefore flaws in thought / the neurological system. I also agree with him that it seems highly idealistic and impractical for a human not functioning like that to think that they can function in that way through following a system or that it would somehow improve their lives. We all have to make do for the now.
Yeah, it's a strange situation we find ourselves in.
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NARYA
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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: White Beard]
#16074254 - 04/11/12 07:12 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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You can only perceive loss when still in fear of death. Find the death that stalks you, and embrace it. Overcome it. Know death as your ally. All fear is at its core just a fear of death. Being fearless of death is being deathless. This is the way of the shaman.
"I have died happy, and lived to tell the tale to you. I have slept for forty years, and woke, to find ne gone."
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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: NARYA]
#16074409 - 04/11/12 08:42 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Chronic7
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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: White Beard]
#16075461 - 04/11/12 01:22 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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White Beard said: Can there be any ownership of anything? Where does the fear of loss come from? A mistake between what is illusory and what is real?
i feel the 'mistake' is identifying what is real with what is illusory, we can only fear losing something if we are attached to it, and why would we attach to any thing or fear its loss unless we were identified as a thing ourself?
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White Beard

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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: Chronic7]
#16075688 - 04/11/12 02:06 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, I agree.
Btw chronic, you were in my dream last night. We were tripping on shrooms, and I started running through some dark woods. I was almost to a clearing when a cop stopped me. He said the reason shrooms were illegal was because they turn your life into a Taoist riddle.
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crkhd
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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: White Beard]
#16076095 - 04/11/12 03:30 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you take a magnet and stick a piece of iron to it, can the magnet be said to own the iron bar?
Because ultimately that's exactly what's happening.
-------------------- "Everything there is, and all that there is, is a Pattern of unspeakable proportion. The Pattern contains everything that is, completely fixed in succession, all the minimal particles interconnected in every way that is. Every way that is is not every conceivable way, because not everything that can be conceived is manifest in the pattern." "THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker "If boring drudgery was the way of the universe, everything would have killed itself long ago." - Spacerific
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Chronic7
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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: White Beard]
#16078845 - 04/12/12 05:33 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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White Beard said: Yeah, I agree.
Btw chronic, you were in my dream last night. We were tripping on shrooms, and I started running through some dark woods. I was almost to a clearing when a cop stopped me. He said the reason shrooms were illegal was because they turn your life into a Taoist riddle.
hopefully it was a premonition, apart from the cop part
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Vahn421
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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: Chronic7]
#16079064 - 04/12/12 07:45 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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The Ego is afraid to lose Itself.
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White Beard

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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: Chronic7]
#16079280 - 04/12/12 09:11 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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The Chronic said:
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White Beard said: Yeah, I agree.
Btw chronic, you were in my dream last night. We were tripping on shrooms, and I started running through some dark woods. I was almost to a clearing when a cop stopped me. He said the reason shrooms were illegal was because they turn your life into a Taoist riddle.
hopefully it was a premonition, apart from the cop part
Yeah, I seriously want out of these woods. I just want to be free.
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Chronic7
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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: White Beard]
#16079623 - 04/12/12 10:37 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just meant a premonition that we're gonna take shrooms together! 
I like the metaphor of the woods though, its a common saying 'can't see the wood for the trees' when we pay too much attention to certain details missing the bigger picture
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White Beard

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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: Chronic7]
#16079710 - 04/12/12 10:52 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh, okay.  Yeah, hopefully one day.
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LunarEclipse
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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: Icelander]
#16081176 - 04/12/12 04:37 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
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White Beard said: Can there be any ownership of anything? Where does the fear of loss come from? A mistake between what is illusory and what is real?
Fear of loss is a basic aspect of death anxiety. If you can lose anything, then you can lose yourself. This mostly operates on an unconscious level imo.
Yall sound like you got nothing to lose. I mean unconsciously of course not like moms going anywhere soon. Until she's unconscious, of course...
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