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InvisibleWhite Beard

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Is there anything to lose?
    #16070652 - 04/10/12 02:43 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Can there be any ownership of anything? Where does the fear of loss come from? A mistake between what is illusory and what is real?


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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: White Beard] * 1
    #16070724 - 04/10/12 02:57 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

You own what you can defend


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InvisibleWhite Beard

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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: Gunnar] * 1
    #16070738 - 04/10/12 03:00 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Time claims all.



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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: White Beard]
    #16070744 - 04/10/12 03:01 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

No ownership.  The fear is a mix of biochemistry (pain and fight or flight) and to some extent the way "the mind" functions IMO. Ultimately an aspect of evolution in one way or another.


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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: White Beard]
    #16070748 - 04/10/12 03:02 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, in actuality there is nothing to own. Particles do not own other particles, they interact.


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InvisibleWhite Beard

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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: Grapefruit]
    #16070766 - 04/10/12 03:04 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I notice there are two fears. Bodily fear and egoic fear. Bodily fear just feels like a sensation in the body. Egoic fear feels more personal, and seems to last longer. Don't know if you find something similar.


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InvisibleWhite Beard

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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: teknix]
    #16070774 - 04/10/12 03:05 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
Yes, in actuality there is nothing to own. Particles do not own other particles, they interact.




I don't even know what a particle is man.


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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: White Beard]
    #16070780 - 04/10/12 03:08 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Conditioning to think you are nothing but your physical body from birth leads to that worldview.


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Invisibleteknix
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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: White Beard]
    #16070792 - 04/10/12 03:09 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Atomist

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According to Aristotle, atoms are indestructible and immutable and there are an infinite variety of shapes and sizes. They move through the void, bouncing off each other, sometimes becoming hooked with one or more others to form a cluster. Clusters of different shapes, arrangements, and positions give rise to the various macroscopic substances in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomism
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This is before we are known to have evidence of atoms . . . .


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InvisibleWhite Beard

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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: teknix]
    #16070812 - 04/10/12 03:12 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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c0sm0nautt said:
Conditioning to think you are nothing but your physical body from birth leads to that worldview.




Yeah, I agree.

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teknix said:
Atomist

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According to Aristotle, atoms are indestructible and immutable and there are an infinite variety of shapes and sizes. They move through the void, bouncing off each other, sometimes becoming hooked with one or more others to form a cluster. Clusters of different shapes, arrangements, and positions give rise to the various macroscopic substances in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomism
[1][2]




Is is before we are known to have proof of atoms . . . .




And you're expecting me to know what the crap an atom is??? :justdontknow:


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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: White Beard]
    #16070823 - 04/10/12 03:13 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

You didn't have science at your school?

Try Google, this stuff is common knowledge now.


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InvisibleWhite Beard

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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: teknix]
    #16070832 - 04/10/12 03:14 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I'm just having a little fun with you. :wink:


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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: White Beard]
    #16070839 - 04/10/12 03:15 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Not at my expense I hope? :P


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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: teknix]
    #16070841 - 04/10/12 03:16 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Nahhh.


Maybe a little. :sun:


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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: White Beard]
    #16070846 - 04/10/12 03:17 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

:heart:


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InvisibleWhite Beard

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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: teknix]
    #16070858 - 04/10/12 03:19 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

:hug: :peace:


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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: White Beard]
    #16071338 - 04/10/12 05:07 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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White Beard said:
Can there be any ownership of anything? Where does the fear of loss come from? A mistake between what is illusory and what is real?




no. death anxiety. likely.

fear of loss isn't necessarily a bad thing. i personally dont want to lose many things. wisdom and compassion being high on the list. but at the same time I don't see these as owned. and a large part of the reason i dont want to see them lost is because of their value in relinquishing ownership. 


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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: White Beard]
    #16071397 - 04/10/12 05:14 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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White Beard said:
I notice there are two fears. Bodily fear and egoic fear. Bodily fear just feels like a sensation in the body. Egoic fear feels more personal, and seems to last longer. Don't know if you find something similar.




I think so, but I can't say I'd be certain in putting a split right down them. I have to admit I've wondered if body and the ego don't conflict in many ways though, for instance I doubt the natural tendency of the physical system is designed to be interested in anything other than the healthy maintenance of the body. It seems a flaw may have developed along the way.


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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: Grapefruit]
    #16071511 - 04/10/12 05:36 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, I agree.

UG said something along the lines of thoughts are a neurological problem.


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Re: Is there anything to lose? [Re: White Beard]
    #16071612 - 04/10/12 05:59 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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White Beard said:
Can there be any ownership of anything? Where does the fear of loss come from? A mistake between what is illusory and what is real?





Fear of loss is a basic aspect of death anxiety. If you can lose anything, then you can lose yourself. This mostly operates on an unconscious level imo.


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