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Re: First grow (Co-Op) [Re: Skitzophr3nic]
    #16068226 - 04/10/12 12:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Luckily I have a realy nice humidity reader i use in my grow room. This is my firsttime growing mushrooms so im realy ampted... :crazy2:


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Re: First grow (Co-Op) [Re: jellycrab]
    #16068264 - 04/10/12 12:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

nice. i'm hoping my cakes will be ready to birth in about 2 weeks. that's just my guesstimate tho lol.


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Re: First grow (Co-Op) [Re: Skitzophr3nic]
    #16068288 - 04/10/12 12:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I wish you all the luck in the world for your and my own sake lol no im sure within a few months we'll have more fruite than we know what to do with.:laugh:


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Re: First grow (Co-Op) [Re: jellycrab]
    #16068314 - 04/10/12 12:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Back at ya. I can't wait. :awejeez:


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Re: First grow (Co-Op) [Re: SoreSpore]
    #16069003 - 04/10/12 07:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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They don't need to consolidate???

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RogerRabbit said:
Failing to follow the week long consolidation period is not a guarantee of failure, but your eventual flush will generally come sooner and be more prolific if you allow the mycelium to digest some of the substrate before exposing to fruiting conditions. 

We can thank shiitake growers for this discovery, which applies equally to cubensis, although they don't need the six weeks to two months of consolidation that benefit shiitake.

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A week to ten days is fine with cubensis.  Other species benefit from a longer consolidation process, such as shiitake.  The reason is they won't fruit during that period anyway, so just leave them in the jars so they don't dry out.
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Yeah man, they don't need it. Maybe RogerRabbit reccommends it, but it is surely not needed by any stretch of the word.





If your just out to prove someone wrong then touche... But you shouldn't knock or discredit proven methods and things that help and work. Sure you don't NEED to, but why not? Why let them sit in your Fruiting conditions and extra 7 Days to wither and do nothing at all? When you could allow them to consolidate, birth and have fruits in mere days... Here's yet ANOTHER Trusted Cultivator that advises to consolidate your PF Cakes.

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Regardless of how many inoculation points you use IMO you should leave
your BRF cakes for 5-7 days after full colonization to consolidate.
This goes for multi-spore and liquid culture.

One thing you will learn in this hobby is patience, you cannot rush
nature and a cake that is birthed without consolidation will likely
sit in your fruiting chamber for an extra week before fruiting anyway.




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Re: First grow (Co-Op) [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #16069169 - 04/10/12 08:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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If your just out to prove someone wrong then touche... But you shouldn't knock or discredit proven methods and things that help and work. Sure you don't NEED to, but why not? Why let them sit in your Fruiting conditions and extra 7 Days to wither and do nothing at all? When you could allow them to consolidate, birth and have fruits in mere days... Here's yet ANOTHER Trusted Cultivator that advises to consolidate your PF Cakes.




Nah dude, I am not out to prove you are wrong. I just don't want there to be any confusion when it comes to the cultivation facts of a certain species. Personally, I've never done a single cake in my life. They are a waste of time when I can put in less effort and triple or quadruple my yield.

My favorite line from above is "Sure you don't NEED to, but why not?" ummm... lol I am not a fan of doing anything that is not needed.

Regardless of our entire conversation DyingBreed, I think it should be left stated that Psilocybe Cubensis do not NEED consolidation. It is an unneccessary step in the process. Some species, however, require consolidation. Cubensis is not that.

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Re: First grow (Co-Op) [Re: SoreSpore]
    #16069181 - 04/10/12 08:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'd still feel safer consolidating for 5-7days. I'd like to start seeing fruits asap after I birth anyways :shrug:


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Re: First grow (Co-Op) [Re: Skitzophr3nic]
    #16069198 - 04/10/12 08:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I'd still feel safer consolidating for 5-7days. I'd like to start seeing fruits asap after I birth anyways :shrug:




Trust me, consolidation is well worth the small wait. This hobby is filled with the challenge of patience. And everything I state in my posts are from Personal Experience, that I've read and tested for myself.


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Re: First grow (Co-Op) [Re: Skitzophr3nic]
    #16069201 - 04/10/12 08:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I'd still feel safer consolidating for 5-7days. I'd like to start seeing fruits asap after I birth anyways :shrug:



That seems most logical. I encourage you to document your findings doing it both ways. Just make sure you are using the same strain.

I bet you still won't see fruits immediately after birthing. Pinning takes about 5-7 days regardless of what "consolidation" methods you use.

This should go in the same file with Cubensis overlay :rofl2:

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Re: First grow (Co-Op) [Re: SoreSpore]
    #16069257 - 04/10/12 09:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I'd still feel safer consolidating for 5-7days. I'd like to start seeing fruits asap after I birth anyways :shrug:



That seems most logical. I encourage you to document your findings doing it both ways. Just make sure you are using the same strain.

I bet you still won't see fruits immediately after birthing. Pinning takes about 5-7 days regardless of what "consolidation" methods you use.

This should go in the same file with Cubensis overlay :rofl2:



I'm fine with that. After this grow i'm ditching the jars and most of the strains anyways and moving to bags, monotubs, and only 2 strains with a monotub for each. When I get that going I can start experimenting and documenting my finds.. I'm sure the bags have the same colonization rules as the cakes tho, right?


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Re: First grow (Co-Op) [Re: Skitzophr3nic]
    #16069288 - 04/10/12 09:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I'd still feel safer consolidating for 5-7days. I'd like to start seeing fruits asap after I birth anyways :shrug:



That seems most logical. I encourage you to document your findings doing it both ways. Just make sure you are using the same strain.

I bet you still won't see fruits immediately after birthing. Pinning takes about 5-7 days regardless of what "consolidation" methods you use.

This should go in the same file with Cubensis overlay :rofl2:



I'm fine with that. After this grow i'm ditching the jars and most of the strains anyways and moving to bags, monotubs, and only 2 strains with a monotub for each. When I get that going I can start experimenting and documenting my finds.. I'm sure the bags have the same colonization rules as the cakes tho, right?




Your mean the same rules as jars and no actually IME bags get a little hotter then jars but yea they work faster as long a there is about a quart/pound in there

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Re: First grow (Co-Op) [Re: bigshack]
    #16069639 - 04/10/12 11:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah jars are for our first grow after that monotub ksss and gt(for me)

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Re: First grow (Co-Op) [Re: bigshack]
    #16069674 - 04/10/12 11:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I'd still feel safer consolidating for 5-7days. I'd like to start seeing fruits asap after I birth anyways :shrug:



That seems most logical. I encourage you to document your findings doing it both ways. Just make sure you are using the same strain.

I bet you still won't see fruits immediately after birthing. Pinning takes about 5-7 days regardless of what "consolidation" methods you use.

This should go in the same file with Cubensis overlay :rofl2:



I'm fine with that. After this grow i'm ditching the jars and most of the strains anyways and moving to bags, monotubs, and only 2 strains with a monotub for each. When I get that going I can start experimenting and documenting my finds.. I'm sure the bags have the same colonization rules as the cakes tho, right?




Your mean the same rules as jars and no actually IME bags get a little hotter then jars but yea they work faster as long a there is about a quart/pound in there



yea i meant jars. I was thinking you just inoculate the bag in one spot where they have the self healing piece, then wait. I won't know until I do it for myself, but still. and i figured they would probably take longer than the jars to fully colonize, but I could be wrong. You said they're faster, but get hotter. I know we're getting a little off topic but the jars are doing all they can do and this is good shit :lol:
I'll put up more pics tomorrow. :thumbup:


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Re: First grow (Co-Op) [Re: Skitzophr3nic]
    #16069895 - 04/10/12 12:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Can't wait to see some more pictures.

I have done many invitro bag grows, but that might not be what you are looking for. I regularly do spawn bags, or grain bags. The trick with grain bags is to either choose a G2G route or slurry in a hurry tek. I've done it with LC many times, but the problem is that it takes nearly 3 weeks for full colonization of just 3 quart bags. However, if you inoculate with slurry, it takes about 10-14 days :thumbup: and if you transfer 1 full quart of grain into a 6 quart bag of grain, it takes about 14 days for full colonization. Good luck and I'll be watching this log.

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Re: First grow (Co-Op) [Re: SoreSpore]
    #16071575 - 04/10/12 05:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have no idea how to do the casing layers and stuff yet, but before I get the tubs ready with holes and poly fill, this is what i'm going to get:
http://www.out-grow.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=53
But that's all for the next grow, this one they'll just be cakes in a fruiting chamber. :tongue2:


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Re: First grow (Co-Op) [Re: Skitzophr3nic]
    #16074416 - 04/11/12 08:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I have no idea how to do the casing layers and stuff yet, but before I get the tubs ready with holes and poly fill, this is what i'm going to get:
http://www.out-grow.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=53
But that's all for the next grow, this one they'll just be cakes in a fruiting chamber. :tongue2:



Not a fan of casing layers. Seems to be a completely unnecessary step, especially if you are doing a monotub and don't plan on misting and fanning :wink:

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Re: First grow (Co-Op) [Re: SoreSpore]
    #16074512 - 04/11/12 09:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Skitzophr3nic said:
I have no idea how to do the casing layers and stuff yet, but before I get the tubs ready with holes and poly fill, this is what i'm going to get:
http://www.out-grow.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=53
But that's all for the next grow, this one they'll just be cakes in a fruiting chamber. :tongue2:



Not a fan of casing layers. Seems to be a completely unnecessary step, especially if you are doing a monotub and don't plan on misting and fanning :wink:



And that's exactly what I wana do, I guess I gota do some more reading. :lol:
I'll put up more pics in a few hours. :thumbup:


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Re: First grow (Co-Op) [Re: Skitzophr3nic]
    #16075380 - 04/11/12 01:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Update
4-11-12 (7 days after inoculation, 6 for the John Allen)

Koh Samui Super Strain


B+


Dancing Tiger


John Allen


Pink Buffalo


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Re: First grow (Co-Op) [Re: Skitzophr3nic]
    #16076337 - 04/11/12 04:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Alright so the temps are supposed to be getting pretty low the next few nights so we put them in the tub with the heating pad on the bottom set to go on and off with 30min intervals.
There's also a thin blanket between the pad and tub.


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Re: First grow (Co-Op) [Re: Skitzophr3nic]
    #16084093 - 04/13/12 09:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ok basically, the ksss were fully covered by day 4, but the growth looks more greyish compared to the other jars.
Here are some pics compared side by side, I hope they're enlargeable
KSSS is on the left, could it be cobweb mold? Should I just let them ride it out? All 3 did the same thing.





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