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"Ghost Photo" Fact or Fiction?
    #16063794 - 04/09/12 01:23 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

The first rule of viewing evidence of the paranormal is to always be skeptical. So I normally wouldn't give this sort of thing a second thought, but my good friend (who is normally pretty reliable, and doesn't deliberately go out of his way to lie or fabricate stories) posted this picture on Facebook with the following description:

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"Ghost Photo" I took several shots on my son's JHS first day ceremony. Look what I found on the left center beside the black curtain. I asked the teachers later on after I saw this photo and they told me that there was a kid who commited suicide several years ago in this school...




Then, on the left, behind the curtain, there is a little girl...



I believe him when he says this is his son's school photo, because I recognize his son and a couple of his classmates in the pictures. The faces are really small, but I can definitely make out his son sitting on the bottom left row.

I am really creeped out by the girl on the left behind the curtain. At first I thought she must be a student that simply trailed away from her assigned seating. But then I looked closer and realized she had on a different uniform than everybody else. And if you look down at her bottom half, it looks like the lower half of her body is transparent and see-through.

It just gives me the creeps. I really don't know what to make of it. But if it's real, it is probably one of the best ghost photos I have ever seen. I am hoping somebody who has photoshop skills would be able to point out whether the photo was doctored or not.


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Re: "Ghost Photo" Fact or Fiction? [Re: Crystal G]
    #16063811 - 04/09/12 01:31 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: "Ghost Photo" Fact or Fiction? [Re: DisoRDeR]
    #16063827 - 04/09/12 01:36 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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In this tutorial, I will show you how to put a "ghost" in any photo of your choosing.




In that example though, it's obvious that the ghost is a fake, because it doesn't "fit in" with any of the original picture.

So, I am wondering, if anybody has any actual experience with photo editing or considers themselves a Photoshop expert, could they point to something specific that conveys that this photo is doctored?


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Re: "Ghost Photo" Fact or Fiction? [Re: Crystal G]
    #16063859 - 04/09/12 01:52 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I think that photo is too low-res, compressed, soft-focused and/or motion-blurred to draw such conclusions.  Do you have the original?


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Re: "Ghost Photo" Fact or Fiction? [Re: DisoRDeR]
    #16063881 - 04/09/12 02:02 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I am not sure what you mean by the original. Do you mean, a higher-resolution of the image, before it was shrunk down in size? I am certain I could ask for a copy of it.


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Re: "Ghost Photo" Fact or Fiction? [Re: DisoRDeR]
    #16063903 - 04/09/12 02:14 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Scientific fact once you die you turn to dust.  You are actually going to be a ghost though if you dress up on halloween.

Love being a ghost sometimes
Scare people where ever there's a mirror
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BTW science built mirrors too.  Think about it


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Re: "Ghost Photo" Fact or Fiction? [Re: Crystal G]
    #16064251 - 04/09/12 07:30 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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DisoRDeR said:
In this tutorial, I will show you how to put a "ghost" in any photo of your choosing.




In that example though, it's obvious that the ghost is a fake, because it doesn't "fit in" with any of the original picture.

So, I am wondering, if anybody has any actual experience with photo editing or considers themselves a Photoshop expert, could they point to something specific that conveys that this photo is doctored?




So a ghost must fit in the way you want it to fit in :weirdeyes:


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Re: "Ghost Photo" Fact or Fiction? *DELETED* [Re: the human abstract]
    #16064255 - 04/09/12 07:31 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: "Ghost Photo" Fact or Fiction? [Re: Crystal G]
    #16064262 - 04/09/12 07:36 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Hold me I'm scared. :frown:

Really though I did get a chill down my spine looking at that and reading your cool story.  However I would consider that on most land hundreds of humans may have died in strange unsavory circumstances down through time.  Where's all the Native Americans who should be haunting most homes in major cities in America considering how and where they likely died?


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Re: "Ghost Photo" Fact or Fiction? [Re: Icelander]
    #16064279 - 04/09/12 07:45 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

If you study photography and take your own pictures you may or may not come to certain realizations about capturing light with chemical process.

Those other pics are obviously bullshit


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Re: "Ghost Photo" Fact or Fiction? [Re: the human abstract]
    #16064675 - 04/09/12 10:31 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Scientific fact once you die you turn to dust.  You are actually going to be a ghost though if you dress up on halloween.

Love being a ghost sometimes
Scare people where ever there's a mirror
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BTW science built mirrors too.  Think about it





I know you think this is true but it is not, there is no such fact as there is fact or proof that the brain creates perception. You are a victim of scientism.


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Re: "Ghost Photo" Fact or Fiction? [Re: soldatheero]
    #16064694 - 04/09/12 10:35 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

He never said brain creates perception although there is evidence if not conclusive.

He said when you die you turn to dust. I assume meaning your body and your ability to interact in a material world.


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Re: "Ghost Photo" Fact or Fiction? [Re: soldatheero]
    #16064711 - 04/09/12 10:39 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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"Ghost Photo" I took several shots on my son's JHS first day ceremony. Look what I found on the left center beside the black curtain. I asked the teachers later on after I saw this photo and they told me that there was a kid who commited suicide several years ago in this school...




Cool story, in my opinion it is likely a real ghost. It fits in with what Meher says about ghosts, in that most ghosts are people who have killed themselves. They have unfinished business, or unspent sanksaras which have yet to be exhausted. This causes them to be bound to the physical world for sometimes as long as hundreds of years.

They seek to experience experiences which a body is required for, such as smoking, drinking, sex etc.. apparently they possess people and share their bodies without their knowledge. Scary thought if you ask me.

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"Why be afraid of ghosts? A ghost means a human being without a body, and in that bodiless state he has to remain as long as the sanskaras of his previous birth last. Then he takes another birth.

"Ghosts are miserable. They have desires, like any of us. They try to come in contact with human beings to fulfill their desires. When it is dark and silent, their Subtle, smoky bodies become transparent. You have Gross, Subtle and Mental bodies. They have only Subtle and Mental bodies. but these are not as limited as the Gross. When stretched out, their Subtle body stretches out in all directions - upward and sideways. That makes you shiver and scream when you see them like that. Depending on their surroundings, darkness and quietude, they can be seen. Their bodies can enlarge and shrink. That is why in dreams the Subtle bodies go anywhere, stretching out and out. They can also be photographed in suitable conditions, depending upon the surroundings, time, light, and the photographer.

"These discarnate spirits wish to contact living human beings. If Rano, a heavy smoker, has no body, and for some reason becomes a ghost, she does not get another physical body until certain sanskaras are spent. They may be spent in one year or a million years. All depends on the contacts made to spend one's sanskaras.

"For instance, Rano has her craving for smoking cigarettes. She sees Kitty smoking. She, too, wants to smoke, and tries to contact Kitty to have a cigarette. But contact with a Gross body by the Subtle body is almost impossible. Kitty feels the presence of a Subtle body and is scared. But poor Rano only wants to have a smoke. In some instances, she, Rano the ghost, becomes so desperate that she waits until Kitty nods to sleep even the tiniest little bit, and then smokes through Kitty's Gross body.

"The Subtle can enter any Gross body or thing. When it enters you, you don't even know it, and are not at all affected. But it can only enter your body when you are not conscious, when you are sleeping. How many spirits have been drinking tea through Norina when she is not conscious? But the spirit has no hold, it does not reside in you or possess you, but just goes like the wind. And it only happens sometimes. "Don't think about it, or you will go mad. It is of no importance, so trivial, so insignificant.

"Sometimes you feel angry for nothing. This might be some spirit wanting to spend sankaras of anger through you. But this is so unimportant, not worth thinking about. Our bodies are full of germs, but we don't think about it. If we did, and tried to picture it in our minds, we would go mad. Masters are so bothered by these spirits, you have no idea. They want to touch me for liberation, and they do."




Fact or fiction?

http://www.meherbabadnyana.net/life_eternal/Book_Two/2_Ghosts.htm


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Re: "Ghost Photo" Fact or Fiction? [Re: soldatheero]
    #16064726 - 04/09/12 10:43 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Another cool story imo.  But just a story.  I tell them too.


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Re: "Ghost Photo" Fact or Fiction? [Re: soldatheero]
    #16064732 - 04/09/12 10:45 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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He never said brain creates perception although there is evidence if not conclusive.

He said when you die you turn to dust. I assume meaning your body and your ability to interact in a material world.





Yeah that is what is being assumed, that you = your body. That is the mistake that he is making tho, assuming that he (his experience) is his body, there is no proof for this contrary to popular misconception.


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Re: "Ghost Photo" Fact or Fiction? [Re: soldatheero]
    #16065208 - 04/09/12 12:57 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

There is no proof that anything is true. However there is evidence for it so he's being logical imo.


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Re: "Ghost Photo" Fact or Fiction? [Re: liquidlounge]
    #16065331 - 04/09/12 01:26 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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liquidlounge said:
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Crystal G said:
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DisoRDeR said:
In this tutorial, I will show you how to put a "ghost" in any photo of your choosing.




In that example though, it's obvious that the ghost is a fake, because it doesn't "fit in" with any of the original picture.

So, I am wondering, if anybody has any actual experience with photo editing or considers themselves a Photoshop expert, could they point to something specific that conveys that this photo is doctored?




So a ghost must fit in the way you want it to fit in :weirdeyes:




No, I mean that you can tell some pictures are obviously doctored, because it's obvious they copied and pasted another person in the photo. It becomes obvious, because the lighting and shading doesn't match the rest of the photo at all. (For example, you might see a shadow in the same direction you see the light coming from, where you would actually see it on the opposite side.) There's certain indicators that tell us the picture is doctored.


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Re: "Ghost Photo" Fact or Fiction? [Re: Crystal G]
    #16065363 - 04/09/12 01:34 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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No, I mean that you can tell some pictures are obviously doctored, because it's obvious they copied and pasted another person in the photo. It becomes obvious, because the lighting and shading doesn't match the rest of the photo at all. (For example, you might see a shadow in the same direction you see the light coming from, where you would actually see it on the opposite side.) There's certain indicators that tell us the picture is doctored.




I know exactly what you mean, however, you stil want the ghost to fit in the way you want it to fit in, or else you would not believe in it?


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Re: "Ghost Photo" Fact or Fiction? [Re: Crystal G]
    #16065379 - 04/09/12 01:37 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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I am not sure what you mean by the original. Do you mean, a higher-resolution of the image, before it was shrunk down in size? I am certain I could ask for a copy of it.




Yeah. 

I'm no expert, but a high res image would allow one to do more pixel peeping.  As it is in that photo, the little girl appears to be surrounded by compression artifacts, which would be suspicious if everyone else wasn't also.  There is a distinct blocky area around the girl's head which doesn't jive with the folds in the curtain or whatever is behind her, but there are blocks all over that mess of a photo.  Given the internet bandwidth and storage space available these days, there is no reason for a photo with such horrible compression to exist. 

At 720 x 537 pixels (0.39 Megapixels ... they don't make sensors like that anymore), it has likely been cropped and/or significantly reduced in size.  If you really want to get to the bottom of it, interrogate the photographer a bit...  If they can't produce a higher quality image, then i'd say it's likely that this photos was intentionally reduced in quality in order to cover the tracks of a weak photoshop job.  But then, I generally don't trust people to tell the truth... and I don't believe in ghosts...


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Re: "Ghost Photo" Fact or Fiction? [Re: DisoRDeR]
    #16065386 - 04/09/12 01:39 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Yea it was reduced in size, because it was uploaded on Facebook (Facebook automatically shrinks their picture size for more bandwith and space I presume). I'll ask him for the larger copy.


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