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 "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" 
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Greets,
I'm just curious, I notice that Rudolph is going to be charged in some attacks on "Women's Health Centers". I'm not really opposed to abortion in every case (I actually think MORE of certain types of people need to have them), but come on? A "health" clinic? thats like calling a concentration camp a "recreation center". What do you think about that, part of the liberal attempt to brainwash us? Abortion is normal and healthy? Is that what they are going for?
heh, also, in the articles that tell how rudoloph was "motivated by hate", ebcause he killed someone at an abortion clinic, again, isn't that just a wee bit ironic? what else are abortion clinics for but taking defenseless lives?
Also (wow, this is way off the subject) but how can Scott Peterson be charged for the murder of Laci's unborn fetus, when it's not a crime to kill them? just curious as to that.. maybe our little Che fan could explain that one :0
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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: JohnnyRespect]
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>>A "health" clinic? thats like calling a concentration camp a "recreation center".
yeah... that's a real accurate analogy. 
>> What do you think about that, part of the liberal attempt to brainwash us? Abortion is normal and healthy? Is that what they are going for?
i suppose you believe the media is liberal as well, right? such a cute kid  give me some good examples of "liberal brainwashing" and i might believe you.
>>heh, also, in the articles that tell how rudoloph was "motivated by hate", ebcause he killed someone at an abortion clinic, again, isn't that just a wee bit ironic? what else are abortion clinics for but taking defenseless lives?
yeah, women go in there "i'll kill that fetus dead! ahyuck!" they do it out of hate, right? perhaps they'd rather not bring a kid into a life they can't provide? would you rather be unborn or live in poverty?
>>Also (wow, this is way off the subject) but how can Scott Peterson be charged for the murder of Laci's unborn fetus, when it's not a crime to kill them? just curious as to that.. maybe our little Che fan could explain that one :0
hell if i know, i don't make the laws 
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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: JohnnyRespect]
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Men shouldn't be allowed to have a stong opinion on abortion.
Anti abortion = anti women plain in simple.
you stated you think more "certain kinds of people" should have them, so now you've revealed yourself a racist.
so if you hate a certain race what's to stop you from hateing women as well?
i think you need to bioassay a level 5 before you post anymore here.
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I never saw him refer to a certain race did you? You sure do love jumping to conclusions don't you slug? I also fail to see how being against abortion can make a person against women. Please feel free to explain that to me.
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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
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Men shouldn't be allowed to have a stong opinion on abortion.
Why not?
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Anti abortion = anti women plain in simple.
I guess that makes billions of women the world over anti-women. Really, your statement is quite illogical.
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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: Evolving]
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not really if you consider the way women are subjiated all over the world.
you try being pregnat, giving birth, then trying to survive on minium wage while rasing a child.
then tell me what you think of abortion
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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
#1606375 - 06/03/03 09:48 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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My wife is anti-abortion. I know other women who have gone through what you tell me to try and are anti-abortion. It has nothing to do with being anti-woman or being subjugated, your mistake is projecting unto others your mode of thinking. MANY woman become anti-abortion after being pregnant, do you know why this is? It is because they realize the miracle of life and value human life more highly than the desire to terminate it because it is inconvenient. To them, IT IS ABOUT THE SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE. You may find this incomprehensible and try to rationalize it away with ideas such as 'subjugation' and 'anti-women' but you are wrong.
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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: Evolving]
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IS ABOUT THE SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE.
oh is taht what that is? tell me how many anti-war protests did you go to?
How come none of these white anti-abortion women volunteer to have some black fetues transplanted into their uterus?
How come no pro-lifers adopt crack babies?
or the hundreds of thousands of females born into china that are killed after birth, because only homor is brought to the family by having a son, and in china your only allowed to keep one kid?
how come you don't adopt some of those girls? there's plenty of them up for adoption and they're very easy to save. or would that be too (and i quote you here) "inconvenient".
How come when its a us its an abortion, and when its a chicken its an omlete?
are you a vegan?
your argument is smothered in hypocrasy.
the reason why republicans and christians are against abortions is because the vast majority of people haveing abortions are white middle class women, they don't wanna be over populated by the minorites now do they?
same reason christains are against abortions, less kids means future christians to $buy$ their ticket to heaven from the church
same reason they are against contraceptives, they don't wanna run out of sheeple, now do they?
Catholic preists always want a new freash crop of kids to molest.
life begans at conception???
actually life began 3.5 million years ago and its a continous process,
it keeps going and going.
if you wanna be anti abortion, that's fine, don't have one, but don't push your values on other people, or retards will get caught up in you rederic and kill doctors thinking its in the name of "the sanctity of life"
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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
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oh is taht what that is? tell me how many anti-war protests did you go to?
If you followed his posts, you'd see that he was against the war.
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How come none of these white anti-abortion women volunteer to have some black fetues transplanted into their uterus?
Because it's easier to adopt, which many of them do.
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How come no pro-lifers adopt crack babies?
How do you know they don't?
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How come when its a us its an abortion, and when its a chicken its an omlete?
are you a vegan?
Some people value human life more than other life forms. It's about looking after our own.
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you argument is smothered in hypocrasy.
And yours with idiocy.
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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: silversoul7]
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i agree giving the women the right to choose is idiocy, what was i thinking?
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i agree giving the women the right to choose is idiocy, what was i thinking?
Tell me where I said that.
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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: silversoul7]
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oh wait, i forgot to mention
that even if abortions are illegal, they still happen, much like drugs
only when abortions arn't legal, tehy're done in shitty condition with coat hangers, often the women and the baby dies in this situation.
how many WASP families do you know with black or asian babies?
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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
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that even if abortions are illegal, they still happen, much like drugs
only when abortions arn't legal, tehy're done in shitty condition with coat hangers, often the women and the baby dies in this situation.
Which is why I'm pro-choice
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dude don't try to compare any law against abortion with drug laws.
why is it that liberals are so concerned with the lives of rare animals but don't seem to care about "fetal tissue"? did you know that when you kill a late-term fetus with a coat hanger, it cries out in pain? it feels pain. where is the compassion? I thought liberals were all about love and compassion and all that but maybe I was wrong.
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why is it that liberals are so concerned with the lives of rare animals but don't seem to care about "fetal tissue"?
When human fetuses are in danger of extinction, let me know.
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why is it that liberals are so concerned with the lives of rare animals but don't seem to care about "fetal tissue"? did you know that when you kill a late-term fetus with a coat hanger, it cries out in pain? it feels pain. where is the compassion? I thought liberals were all about love and compassion and all that but maybe I was wrong
are you a vegan?
Did you know that every living animal with a nervous system on earth feels pain.
Did you know that scientists have found plants to give of nervous like reading that could be a form of pain sensory?
no living creature has been given the gift of eternal pleasure. I'm all for a method of painless abortion, and think abortions should only been used in certain cases, female was raped, may die, or become debilitated, or is under a certain age, or the kid will be seriusly retarted or incredibly deformed(to the point of jepardising his survival. but most importantly i don't think it should be men to decide this.
(and yes i am a male)
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are you a vegan?
I am not a vegan and I don't equate human life with animal life.
i don't think it should be men to decide this
whatever happened to pro-choice?
I also think that abortions should be allowed in certain cases. these are the tough choices that men (and women) have to make. but abortion is wrong, don't kid yourself - it is taking a human life.
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I also think that abortions should be allowed in certain cases. these are the tough choices that men (and women) have to make. but abortion is wrong, don't kid yourself - it is taking a human life.
I agree. It is evil, but sometimes it is a necessary evil.
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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
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tell me how many anti-war protests did you go to?
What does this have to do with the opinions of those who are anti-abortion?
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How come none of these white anti-abortion women volunteer to have some black fetues transplanted into their uterus?
This is a stupid question. You might as well ask someone who is against the war in Iraq to volunteer to take a family of Iraqi's into their home.
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How come no pro-lifers adopt crack babies?
I know of some who have.
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or the hundreds of thousands of females born into china that are killed after birth, because only homor is brought to the family by having a son, and in china your only allowed to keep one kid?
WTF? Could you rephrase that using proper English grammar and punctuation? Regardless, adoption of Chinese babies is a VERY big social phenomena in this country right now. But I guess they didn't tell you that in your ESL classes did they?
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how come you don't adopt some of those girls? there's plenty of them up for adoption and they're very easy to save. or would that be too (and i quote you here) "inconvenient".
Huh? Who do you think I am, Woody Allen? See above.
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How come when its a us its an abortion, and when its a chicken its an omlete?
Here's a thought for you, those are TWO different things.
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are you a vegan?
What does that have to do with abortion?
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your argument is smothered in hypocrasy.
Please, after correcting your spelling and grammar, tell me how is my argument 'smothered in hypocrisy?'
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the reason why republicans and christians are against abortions is because the vast majority of people haveing abortions are white middle class women, they don't wanna be over populated by the minorites now do they?
Your powers of mind reading are so amazing as to be totally non-existent. Please tell me how you so smugly come to your conclusions about the thought processes of those whom you do not understand.
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same reason christains are against abortions, less kids means future christians to $buy$ their ticket to heaven from the church
See above. Hint: your ignorance is showing.
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same reason they are against contraceptives, they don't wanna run out of sheeple, now do they?
Which Christians are you referring to? To my knowledge, not all pro-life Christians are
against contraceptives (most that I've known aren't).
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Catholic preists always want a new freash crop of kids to molest.
You believe this? Perhaps it's time to check into The Betty Ford Clinic.
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life begans at conception???
It is logical to conclude that an individual human life does indeed begin at conception. Can you provide scientific evidence to refute this?
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actually life began 3.5 million years ago and its a continous process,
Do not conflate the beginning of an individual human life with the dawn of life on the earth. These are two different issues.
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if you wanna be anti abortion, that's fine, don't have one, but don't push your values on other people,
Hmmm, I can hear echoes of anti-emancipation arguments, "If you want to be anti-slavery, that's fine, don't have any slaves, but don't push your values on other people."
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or retards will get caught up in you rederic and kill doctors thinking its in the name of "the sanctity of life"
What's 'rederic'? Are you trying to say that because some people believe in the sanctity of human life, they are somehow to blame for the actions of others who do not? This is irrational.
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I am not a vegan and I don't equate human life with animal life.
how can you not? humans are animals, humans couldn't survive if it wasn't for other animals, the ecosystems that gave birth to them, and the billions of bacteria that line the inside and outside of our human bodies, the mites that live in your eye brows, and the micro scopic centapid looking things that run along your teeth.
Humans are only part of the living earth, not the paramount of it, nor the reason for it.
what makes you think humans are so special? because you are one? HA! nice self interest.
Is it becaues humans are the "most intelligent"? actually there exist forms of intelligence in slime molds and bacteria that we are only beganing to understand.
Ants and termites have been cultivateing fungi for millions of years, humans for about 5,000
our intelligence is limited to what we can comprehend, we are not the most intelligent beings on this plant, its only our ego's that make us think this.
and even if we were, that means we're moer important because we're more intelligent? that means that more intelligent people are more important that dumber ones.....that means their lives are worth more............careful, your in a grey area now, that's the same kind of logic that leads to genocide.
of course you don't want genocide, with teh sanctity of live (oh excuse me HUMAN life)
but not everyone is going to interpret your thoughts the same way.
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Or how about a million years(if humans survuve that long) from now humans evolve into something more intelligent, while other humans evolve into something less intelligent, both better suited to survive in their particular enviorment, is the more intelligent one the one that get to have the "sanctity of human life" even though neither are human anymore?
how about the things that humans evolved from or creature that have simular evolutionary root, like Chimps, are their baby cells sacred too? more sacred then a ducks? who's to judge? God? LOL did God tell you this?
your being bias saying that human life is more important than any other living thing. That's rascist.
now i like people, and i respect life, and of course to survive i'd kill an animal and eat it, but i'd expect the same of an animal, to eat me if it needed to, i wouldn't want that, but thinking my life is more important than the animals is egocentrical.
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Are you talking to yourself?
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further more, its these fanatical religous groups that keep the male pill off the market, something that could cut down on the number of abortions drastically
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Are you talking to yourself?
in a manner of speaking yes
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further more, its these fanatical religous groups that keep the male pill off the market, something that could cut down on the number of abortions drastically
You ARE talking to yourself!!! Who are 'these fanatical religious groups' of which you speak? Do they represent all people who are anti-abortion? (Quick answer: "NO")
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so stepping on a bug is the moral equivalent of killing a human being. I see.
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I am not a vegan and I don't equate human life with animal life.
how can you not?
Ah... they're DIFFERENT.
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what makes you think humans are so special? because you are one? HA! nice self interest.
Humans ARE special. Is there any other species that is human? HAH, got ya there! What's wrong with protecting your own species?
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our intelligence is limited to what we can comprehend,
Sorry, I don't understand what you are trying to say.
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we are not the most intelligent beings on this plant,
Which plant is that? That grass you're standing on? What being standing on that grass is more intelligent than you? Uh, never mind...
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your being bias saying that human life is more important than any other living thing. That's rascist.
So, what's wrong with being racist for the human race? It's a rational concept if you're concerned about your survival and the survival of your family members.
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but thinking my life is more important than the animals is egocentrical.
More like 'survival' and 'perfectly natural.'
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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
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Men shouldn't be allowed to have a stong opinion on abortion.
Anti abortion = anti women plain in simple.
please. the issue is when life begins. people who believe that life begins at conception probably have about as good a reason for thinking that as you do for thinking... whatever you do.
if i'm a man, and i believe that life begins at conception, and my 3-months pregnant girlfriend wants an abortion, to me, she is killing our baby. it has nothing to do with me hating her and i certainly am allowed to have a strong opinion on the subject.
the place people differ is on their definition of when life begins. if i felt that life began at conception, i'd be up in arms against abortion. if i thought it began at birth, i'd be a rabid pro-choicer.
i think the truth is somewhere in the middle, but it's hard to tell where.
i do think that calling an abortion clinic a "health center" is a silly excercise in whitewashing an issue via political correctness, but come on, he's a democrat.
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fetuses don't develop any kind of consciousness or ability to feel pain or, in fact, brain waves at all until the second trimester. as far as I'm concerned, before that, I would have no attack of conscience from having an abortion. it isn't a human life. yes, it's alive, but in that state it has no value. killing it is akin to weeding your garden. you're not hurting anybody.
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Do you know for sure that abortions are the only thing done at this clinic?
I mean, they may very well do all kinds of things related to womens health....
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the issue is when life begins.
For some people, yes. For me, it's a matter of what is necessary. Sperm and egg are already living cells before they even meet one another. So anytime I ejaculate without it resulting in pregnancy, I am killing living things. For me, it's a matter of at what point the fertilized egg should be considered HUMAN.
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Do you know for sure that abortions are the only thing done at this clinic?
I mean, they may very well do all kinds of things related to womens health....
Exactly. Many of these places also give out birth control.
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I am not a vegan and I don't equate human life with animal life.
That's rich.. we are animals!
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I am not a vegan and I don't equate human life with animal life.
That's rich.. we are animals!
arrogant humans
Even so, humans are our own species. And it's in our best interest to look after our own.
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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
#1608071 - 06/04/03 01:45 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your post is quite stupid. I'd say that of all the entities that would be able to have an "opinion" on abortion would be the one entity that is having it's ability to carry on life deprived of it, that being the fetus. The mother just spreads her legs (something she obviousy knows how to do, else she wouldn't be in the position). The baby is the one that gets his/her arms/legs cut off with endoscopic scissors (or if younger / not as developed, they just wash 'em right out with salt water). As for a "Womans" right to choose. Certaintly, they have the right to choose wether or not to have sex,they have toe right to choose to use birth control measures, and they have the right to choose wether or not to have sex with a man who isn't wearin a condom. that is where her rights end. When does it STOP being the mothers right to take the life of her child? Why should birth make a difference? Let me ask you this, if a lady decided 2 minutes after her birth that she didn't wnat to have a child (that oh-so prescious gift of "choice!"), could she then perform the same procedures that would be enacted to terminate the child inside of her? Basically, if a mother had a baby, says, gee, what ab ad idea, then gets a butchers knife and chops it's limbs off until it bleeds to death, why wouldn't THAT be acceptable?
By "certain people" having abortions, lets see, what else could it be but race? m, rape victims? Incest victims? "It's called a JUMP to conclusions mat... get it... JUMP to conclusions!"
Anti - Abortion = Anti - woman? I think that everyone else's opinion on the ignorance of that statement fully covers it.
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why is it that liberals are so concerned with the lives of rare animals but don't seem to care about "fetal tissue"?
When human fetuses are in danger of extinction, let me know.
Sand monkeys aren't in danger of extinction, why do you care if bush bombs them?
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Ahh to be a liberal! running care free in the meadows of hypocrisy! Not a care in the world, nor a thought in the brain!
It's "bad" to bomb people that want to kill you, but it's OK to kill a fetus. It's wrong to take trees that the oogley bird lives in, but it's fine and dandy to inject acidic solutions into your fetus to kill your unborn child. Women have the "Right to choose!" to kill their fetus, but YOU shouldn't have the right own a gun to protect yourself, you might kill someone! Murderes shouldn't be given the death penalty because "life is sacred", but cutting the limbs off of a fetus is a "choice" issue.
Unless God is real, and he is performing immaculate conception at an alarmingly high rate, these women having abortions voluntarily sread their legs (or bent over doggy style, or whatever) and allowed man to fuck them, AND cum in them. It seems her right to choose could be exercized at this time in a number of ways.
1) not having sex
2) taking birth control
3) not having sex
4) having the man use a condom
5) not having sex
6) Any number of other birth control methods that are F R E E for women.
Those are choices she can make. An abortion isn't a form of birth control, an abortion is an exercise in convience. Now, obviously, if the woman ISNT given the right to choose (rape) then an abortion is not the wrong course of action. I can say from friends experinces with adoptions that their are MANY couples out there that want ot have children but can't, and would be more than happy t orenumerate the mother fo the child for her "unwanted" baby. My friends actually just adopted (congrats!) a child from a 17 year old girl. They paid for all of her neo-natal care, they paid for the delivery, her post-natal care, and they gave her 15,000$ for her trouble (labor etc). IF we had a system where women could take their "unwanted" children and hook them up with people that DID want them, we wouldn't have to abrot the fetuses. Again, thats not "simple" enough, it's easier to just have a "Health Clinic" saliene out their uterus'.
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Another reason why christians are against abortion is because it would eliminate a major consequence to sex. The control of intercourse is a major driving force behind religion and the control of the masses. no consequences, no religion, no control.
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why is it that liberals are so concerned with the lives of rare animals but don't seem to care about "fetal tissue"?
When human fetuses are in danger of extinction, let me know.
Sand monkeys aren't in danger of extinction, why do you care if bush bombs them?
Because he doesn't have a good enough reason to. Life should not be wasted if it doesn't need to be.
Edit: Oh, shit! I just broke my resolution to stop replying to you. Fuck!
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Oh my, this should be fun :-)
I realize that, being a liberal, you don't haev to deal with irritations that we call "facts" or "reality" in your arguments,so I'll onec again take up that burden.
Firstly, a poster stated that "the church" was against abortions because they were done mainly by middle class white women. Now, if we do that "fact" thing here, we'll look at what those of us with our heads not implanted into our assholes see "statistics"
http://www.abortiontv.com/AbortionStatistics.htm#Age%20Group%20&%20Race WIll be my source. I honestly haven't even read enough on this webpage to determine their point of view on the subject, but their sources look objective enough.
The first thing I'd like to bring to the collective attention is that 95% of them are done as a means of birthcontrol, rather than to prevent birth defects, or from forcible intercourse. The main cause of abortions is "Wants to postpone childbearing", which beats "cannot afford a baby" by 4.2% Again, it seems to me that if you want to "postpone" childbearing, you either 1) don't fuck or 2) use birthcontrol and accept the outcome. The ONLY way to avoid having a child, with 100% certainty, should be not fucking. We are removing the burden of responsibility from the parents when we condone abortions. We say that it's not THEIR fault they had sex, after all, sex is fun and ejoyable, and why should they put off their pursuit of pleasure just because htey could have a kid, when they can just have the kid killed by a doctor. Geez, do you think that people aer supposed to plan for the FUTURE? how DARE you put the responsibilty for this on the couple! It's obviously the babies fault for existing, so we'll just kill it.
As for silversoul7, your pact didn't even last 2 days. Your lack of discipline is the same reason we have abortions. No discipline, no will to set condtions and follow them, and acting quickly for the pleasure sensation, rather than acting in a manner that shows you are planning for the futuer.
Your post was idiotic, as I'm noticing has become a pattern with you. Life should not be wasted if it doesn't "need" to be, you stated. So, to remove a dictator who gasses his own people isn't a "need', but to make life a bit easier for some slut, is a need. I gotcha. Immediate pleasure gratification over long-term planning any day!
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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: mantis]
#1608587 - 06/04/03 04:24 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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[quotei suppose you believe the media is liberal as well, right? such a cute kid give me some good examples of "liberal brainwashing" and i might believe you. /quote]
Don't lie, no you won't...your mind is already made up.
If your honestly open minded on this then what exactly qualifies as a 'good example' and how many examples do you require? hehehe
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Good post solo, I'd like to see EXACTLY how many examples it would take for mantis to say "Ok, I presented an argument that you needed to post examples of liberal media 'brainwashing', and you've done so. I now conced that your point of view is correct, and I admit mine was wrong". I think he should post that number, an objective and concrete way of determining, before we continue any farther. I'm sure you and I can both think of numerous times (ahemwacoahem) that this has happened, but sure enough we'll mention them and it won't be enough for him to concede the point. what is the number, mantis?
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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
#1608599 - 06/04/03 04:28 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Men shouldn't be allowed to have a stong opinion on abortion.
Women are allowed to cancel their future parental responsibilities including all financial reponsibilities to an unborn child up until the time it is born legally through abortion.
Men should have the same right. I'm not saying that they should be able to force an abortion...but they should be able to legally disown an unborn child since women are able to do this.
Fair is fair. End of story.
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Exactly. What gives WOMEN the right to terminate their desire to be a parent, but not men? I mean, the man will have to pay for it (at least financially) as well as the woman, for at least 18 years. Where does his "right to choose" go to?
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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
#1608626 - 06/04/03 04:38 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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IS ABOUT THE SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE.
oh is taht what that is? tell me how many anti-war protests did you go to?
Interesting point...however...I don't remember reading that this person protests at abortion clinics either.
How come none of these white anti-abortion women volunteer to have some black fetues transplanted into their uterus?
Hmmm...bringing up RACE again...I'm wondering if this person is some sort of bigot.
How come no pro-lifers adopt crack babies?
Are you claiming that someone can not hold an opinion as to what is right and what is wrong without putting all of their possible resources toward that?
The person responsible for the crack baby is the man and woman who made it. They have exercized extremely poor judgement.
or the hundreds of thousands of females born into china that are killed after birth, because only homor is brought to the family by having a son, and in china your only allowed to keep one kid?
You like to rant and rave don't you?
how come you don't adopt some of those girls? there's plenty of them up for adoption and they're very easy to save. or would that be too (and i quote you here) "inconvenient".
For the same reason they do not make babies they do not want or can not afford. That is exercizing responsible judgement.
How come when its a us its an abortion, and when its a chicken its an omlete?
are you a vegan?
Chickens beget chickens...human's beget humans. A life is something that takes in nourishment and grows.
your argument is smothered in hypocrasy.
By your whacked point of view it is.
the reason why republicans and christians are against abortions is because the vast majority of people haveing abortions are white middle class women, they don't wanna be over populated by the minorites now do they?
Your RACIST.
same reason christains are against abortions, less kids means future christians to $buy$ their ticket to heaven from the church
And a religous bigot to boot.
same reason they are against contraceptives, they don't wanna run out of sheeple, now do they?
Um...evil bigot.
Catholic preists always want a new freash crop of kids to molest.
Predjudice in this statement is also clear.
life begans at conception???
Yes, life is something that takes in nourishment and grows.
actually life began 3.5 million years ago and its a continous process,
it keeps going and going.
if you wanna be anti abortion, that's fine, don't have one, but don't push your values on other people, or retards will get caught up in you rederic and kill doctors thinking its in the name of "the sanctity of life"
I'm only responsible for my actions, not other people's actions. Your a bigot.
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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: Solo]
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Please, learn how to reply, it's not really that difficult.
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the fetus resides in the women. it is the womens body. the man only contributes sperm and dna info. the women provides EVERYTHING else.
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1stimer - But only for nine months, if it's an issue of not being "ready" for a child, the man should be able to make that decision too, since he'll be held responsible for that child.
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the mans choice came in when he decided to stick it in or not stick it in.
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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
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IS ABOUT THE SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE.
oh is taht what that is? tell me how many anti-war protests did you go to?
WTF does this have to do with anything? I fail to see your point.
How come none of these white anti-abortion women volunteer to have some black fetues transplanted into their uterus?
Because they get aborted and not offered to be put into the "white anti-abortion women's" uterus.
How come no pro-lifers adopt crack babies?
They do. I know of many people who have, including my parents who started parenting all over for it.
or the hundreds of thousands of females born into china that are killed after birth, because only homor(honor?) is brought to the family by having a son, and in china your only allowed to keep one kid?
huh?
how come you don't adopt some of those girls? there's plenty of them up for adoption and they're very easy to save. or would that be too (and i quote you here) "inconvenient".
And again they do, I know 3 families with adopted children from china.
How come when its a us its an abortion, and when its a chicken its an omlete?
are you a vegan?
Because life feeds life, we need animals for sustinance, or plants. People ARE superior to animals. even if we are just animals, by default we are superior via survival of the fittest.
your argument is smothered in hypocrasy.
I see no valid arguement from you.
the reason why republicans and christians are against abortions is because the vast majority of people haveing abortions are white middle class women, they don't wanna be over populated by the minorites now do they?
Is that it? So it has nothing to do with human life? oh
same reason christains are against abortions, less kids means future christians to $buy$ their ticket to heaven from the church
again, oh. I see.
same reason they are against contraceptives, they don't wanna run out of sheeple, now do they?
Certain sects are against condoms and the pill, mostly baptists. But they are against everything.
Catholic preists always want a new freash crop of kids to molest.
Can't argue with ya there, but catholics aren't against contaceptives, bro.
life begans at conception???
actually life began 3.5 million years ago and its a continous process,
it keeps going and going.
That's theory, not fact. And in that theory it is much longer than 3.5 million years. People are talking about that specific life when they say that.
if you wanna be anti abortion, that's fine, don't have one, but don't push your values on other people, or retards will get caught up in you rederic and kill doctors thinking its in the name of "the sanctity of life"
OK, so if I think it's wrong to kill people, and other's say it's wrong, I should be able to commit murder? I know you don't think it's a living thing, but in another of your posts you stated that the human fetus screams in pain during abortions carried out wrong. Do tissues scream?
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Please do research before posting. Please do not come off screaming. You contradicted yourself so many times in this post it's not funny. Peace.
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Oh, and abortion is allowable in certain cases. Personally though, I'd rather live in poverty then die before I have a choice.
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Ahh to be a liberal! running care free in the meadows of hypocrisy! Not a care in the world, nor a thought in the brain!
ahhhhh to be a jackass! running care free in the meadows of generalizations!
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fetuses don't develop any kind of consciousness or ability to feel pain or, in fact, brain waves at all until the second trimester. as far as I'm concerned, before that, I would have no attack of conscience from having an abortion. it isn't a human life. yes, it's alive, but in that state it has no value. killing it is akin to weeding your garden. you're not hurting anybody.
So if I gave you a strong anaesthetic and killed you, it would be ok, simply for the fact that you could not feel it or conceive that it was happening?
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that would be the way to die
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