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OfflineJohnnyRespect
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Re: [Re: silversoul7]
    #1608561 - 06/04/03 04:16 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Oh my, this should be fun :-)

I realize that, being a liberal, you don't haev to deal with irritations that we call "facts" or "reality" in your arguments,so I'll onec again take up that burden.

Firstly, a poster stated that "the church" was against abortions because they were done mainly by middle class white women. Now, if we do that "fact" thing here, we'll look at what those of us with our heads not implanted into our assholes see "statistics"

http://www.abortiontv.com/AbortionStatistics.htm#Age%20Group%20&%20Race WIll be my source. I honestly haven't even read enough on this webpage to determine their point of view on the subject, but their sources look objective enough.


The first thing I'd like to bring to the collective attention is that 95% of them are done as a means of birthcontrol, rather than to prevent birth defects, or from forcible intercourse. The main cause of abortions is "Wants to postpone childbearing", which beats "cannot afford a baby" by 4.2% Again, it seems to me that if you want to "postpone" childbearing, you either 1) don't fuck or 2) use birthcontrol and accept the outcome. The ONLY way to avoid having a child, with 100% certainty, should be not fucking. We are removing the burden of responsibility from the parents when we condone abortions. We say that it's not THEIR fault they had sex, after all, sex is fun and ejoyable, and why should they put off their pursuit of pleasure just because htey could have a kid, when they can just have the kid killed by a doctor. Geez, do you think that people aer supposed to plan for the FUTURE? how DARE you put the responsibilty for this on the couple! It's obviously the babies fault for existing, so we'll just kill it.

As for silversoul7, your pact didn't even last 2 days. Your lack of discipline is the same reason we have abortions. No discipline, no will to set condtions and follow them, and acting quickly for the pleasure sensation, rather than acting in a manner that shows you are planning for the futuer.

Your post was idiotic, as I'm noticing has become a pattern with you. Life should not be wasted if it doesn't "need" to be, you stated. So, to remove a dictator who gasses his own people isn't a "need', but to make life a bit easier for some slut, is a need. I gotcha. Immediate pleasure gratification over long-term planning any day!


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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: mantis]
    #1608587 - 06/04/03 04:24 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

[quotei suppose you believe the media is liberal as well, right? such a cute kid :grin: give me some good examples of "liberal brainwashing" and i might believe you. /quote]

Don't lie, no you won't...your mind is already made up.

If your honestly open minded on this then what exactly qualifies as a 'good example' and how many examples do you require?  hehehe

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Re: [Re: Solo]
    #1608593 - 06/04/03 04:26 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Good post solo, I'd like to see EXACTLY how many examples it would take for mantis to say "Ok, I presented an argument that you needed to post examples of liberal media 'brainwashing', and you've done so. I now conced that your point of view is correct, and I admit mine was wrong". I think he should post that number, an objective and concrete way of determining, before we continue any farther. I'm sure you and I can both think of numerous times (ahemwacoahem) that this has happened, but sure enough we'll mention them and it won't be enough for him to concede the point. what is the number, mantis?


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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
    #1608599 - 06/04/03 04:28 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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Men shouldn't be allowed to have a stong opinion on abortion.

Women are allowed to cancel their future parental responsibilities including all financial reponsibilities to an unborn child up until the time it is born legally through abortion.

Men should have the same right. I'm not saying that they should be able to force an abortion...but they should be able to legally disown an unborn child since women are able to do this.

Fair is fair. End of story.






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Re: [Re: Solo]
    #1608603 - 06/04/03 04:29 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Exactly. What gives WOMEN the right to terminate their desire to be a parent, but not men? I mean, the man will have to pay for it (at least financially) as well as the woman, for at least 18 years. Where does his "right to choose" go to?


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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
    #1608626 - 06/04/03 04:38 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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IS ABOUT THE SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE.




oh is taht what that is? tell me how many anti-war protests did you go to?

Interesting point...however...I don't remember reading that this person protests at abortion clinics either.


How come none of these white anti-abortion women volunteer to have some black fetues transplanted into their uterus?

Hmmm...bringing up RACE again...I'm wondering if this person is some sort of bigot.


How come no pro-lifers adopt crack babies?


Are you claiming that someone can not hold an opinion as to what is right and what is wrong without putting all of their possible resources toward that?

The person responsible for the crack baby is the man and woman who made it. They have exercized extremely poor judgement.

or the hundreds of thousands of females born into china that are killed after birth, because only homor is brought to the family by having a son, and in china your only allowed to keep one kid?

You like to rant and rave don't you?


how come you don't adopt some of those girls? there's plenty of them up for adoption and they're very easy to save. or would that be too (and i quote you here) "inconvenient".


For the same reason they do not make babies they do not want or can not afford. That is exercizing responsible judgement.


How come when its a us its an abortion, and when its a chicken its an omlete?
are you a vegan?

Chickens beget chickens...human's beget humans. A life is something that takes in nourishment and grows.

your argument is smothered in hypocrasy.

By your whacked point of view it is.


the reason why republicans and christians are against abortions is because the vast majority of people haveing abortions are white middle class women, they don't wanna be over populated by the minorites now do they?

Your RACIST.


same reason christains are against abortions, less kids means future christians to $buy$ their ticket to heaven from the church

And a religous bigot to boot.

same reason they are against contraceptives, they don't wanna run out of sheeple, now do they?

Um...evil bigot.

Catholic preists always want a new freash crop of kids to molest.

Predjudice in this statement is also clear.

life begans at conception???

Yes, life is something that takes in nourishment and grows.

actually life began 3.5 million years ago and its a continous process,

it keeps going and going.

if you wanna be anti abortion, that's fine, don't have one, but don't push your values on other people, or retards will get caught up in you rederic and kill doctors thinking its in the name of "the sanctity of life"

I'm only responsible for my actions, not other people's actions. Your a bigot.










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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: Solo]
    #1608874 - 06/04/03 05:59 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Please, learn how to reply, it's not really that difficult.


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Re: [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1608901 - 06/04/03 06:11 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

the fetus resides in the women. it is the womens body. the man only contributes sperm and dna info. the women provides EVERYTHING else.


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Re: [Re: 1stimer]
    #1609385 - 06/04/03 09:15 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

1stimer - But only for nine months, if it's an issue of not being "ready" for a child, the man should be able to make that decision too, since he'll be held responsible for that child.


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Re: [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1609463 - 06/04/03 09:47 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

the mans choice came in when he decided to stick it in or not stick it in.


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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
    #1609499 - 06/04/03 09:58 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Quote:

IS ABOUT THE SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE.




oh is taht what that is? tell me how many anti-war protests did you go to?
WTF does this have to do with anything? I fail to see your point.
How come none of these white anti-abortion women volunteer to have some black fetues transplanted into their uterus?
Because they get aborted and not offered to be put into the "white anti-abortion women's" uterus.
How come no pro-lifers adopt crack babies?
They do. I know of many people who have, including my parents who started parenting all over for it.
or the hundreds of thousands of females born into china that are killed after birth, because only homor(honor?) is brought to the family by having a son, and in china your only allowed to keep one kid?
huh?
how come you don't adopt some of those girls? there's plenty of them up for adoption and they're very easy to save. or would that be too (and i quote you here) "inconvenient".
And again they do, I know 3 families with adopted children from china.

How come when its a us its an abortion, and when its a chicken its an omlete?
are you a vegan?
Because life feeds life, we need animals for sustinance, or plants. People ARE superior to animals. even if we are just animals, by default we are superior via survival of the fittest.
your argument is smothered in hypocrasy.
I see no valid arguement from you.

the reason why republicans and christians are against abortions is because the vast majority of people haveing abortions are white middle class women, they don't wanna be over populated by the minorites now do they?
Is that it? So it has nothing to do with human life? oh
same reason christains are against abortions, less kids means future christians to $buy$ their ticket to heaven from the church
again, oh. I see.
same reason they are against contraceptives, they don't wanna run out of sheeple, now do they?
Certain sects are against condoms and the pill, mostly baptists. But they are against everything.
Catholic preists always want a new freash crop of kids to molest.
Can't argue with ya there, but catholics aren't against contaceptives, bro.
life begans at conception???

actually life began 3.5 million years ago and its a continous process,

it keeps going and going.
That's theory, not fact. And in that theory it is much longer than 3.5 million years. People are talking about that specific life when they say that.
if you wanna be anti abortion, that's fine, don't have one, but don't push your values on other people, or retards will get caught up in you rederic and kill doctors thinking its in the name of "the sanctity of life"
OK, so if I think it's wrong to kill people, and other's say it's wrong, I should be able to commit murder? I know you don't think it's a living thing, but in another of your posts you stated that the human fetus screams in pain during abortions carried out wrong. Do tissues scream?

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Please do research before posting. Please do not come off screaming. You contradicted yourself so many times in this post it's not funny. Peace.








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Re: [Re: rommstein2001]
    #1609513 - 06/04/03 10:04 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Oh, and abortion is allowable in certain cases. Personally though, I'd rather live in poverty then die before I have a choice.


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Re: [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1609533 - 06/04/03 10:12 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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Ahh to be a liberal! running care free in the meadows of hypocrisy! Not a care in the world, nor a thought in the brain!



ahhhhh to be a jackass! running care free in the meadows of generalizations!


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Re: [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #1609640 - 06/04/03 10:40 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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fetuses don't develop any kind of consciousness or ability to feel pain or, in fact, brain waves at all until the second trimester. as far as I'm concerned, before that, I would have no attack of conscience from having an abortion. it isn't a human life. yes, it's alive, but in that state it has no value. killing it is akin to weeding your garden. you're not hurting anybody.




So if I gave you a strong anaesthetic and killed you, it would be ok, simply for the fact that you could not feel it or conceive that it was happening?



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Re: [Re: rommstein2001]
    #1609661 - 06/04/03 10:44 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

that would be the way to die


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