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OfflineJohnnyRespect
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"Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics"
    #1605913 - 06/03/03 08:33 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Greets,
I'm just curious, I notice that Rudolph is going to be charged in some attacks on "Women's Health Centers". I'm not really opposed to abortion in every case (I actually think MORE of certain types of people need to have them), but come on? A "health" clinic? thats like calling a concentration camp a "recreation center". What do you think about that, part of the liberal attempt to brainwash us? Abortion is normal and healthy? Is that what they are going for?

heh, also, in the articles that tell how rudoloph was "motivated by hate", ebcause he killed someone at an abortion clinic, again, isn't that just a wee bit ironic? what else are abortion clinics for but taking defenseless lives?

Also (wow, this is way off the subject) but how can Scott Peterson be charged for the murder of Laci's unborn fetus, when it's not a crime to kill them? just curious as to that.. maybe our little Che fan could explain that one :0


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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1606167 - 06/03/03 10:21 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

>>A "health" clinic? thats like calling a concentration camp a "recreation center".

yeah... that's a real accurate analogy.  :smirk:

>> What do you think about that, part of the liberal attempt to brainwash us? Abortion is normal and healthy? Is that what they are going for?

i suppose you believe the media is liberal as well, right? such a cute kid :grin: give me some good examples of "liberal brainwashing" and i might believe you.

>>heh, also, in the articles that tell how rudoloph was "motivated by hate", ebcause he killed someone at an abortion clinic, again, isn't that just a wee bit ironic?  what else are abortion clinics for but taking defenseless lives?

yeah, women go in there "i'll kill that fetus dead! ahyuck!" they do it out of hate, right? perhaps they'd rather not bring a kid into a life they can't provide? would you rather be unborn or live in poverty?

>>Also (wow, this is way off the subject) but how can Scott Peterson be charged for the murder of Laci's unborn fetus, when it's not a crime to kill them? just curious as to that.. maybe our little Che fan could explain that one :0

hell if i know, i don't make the laws  :confused: 


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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: JohnnyRespect]
    #1606183 - 06/03/03 10:31 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Men shouldn't be allowed to have a stong opinion on abortion.

Anti abortion = anti women plain in simple.

you stated you think more "certain kinds of people" should have them, so now you've revealed yourself a racist.

so if you hate a certain race what's to stop you from hateing women as well?

i think you need to bioassay a level 5 before you post anymore here.


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    #1606295 - 06/03/03 11:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I never saw him refer to a certain race did you? You sure do love jumping to conclusions don't you slug? I also fail to see how being against abortion can make a person against women. Please feel free to explain that to me.


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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
    #1606312 - 06/03/03 11:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Men shouldn't be allowed to have a stong opinion on abortion.



Why not?

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Anti abortion = anti women plain in simple.



I guess that makes billions of women the world over anti-women. Really, your statement is quite illogical.


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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: Evolving]
    #1606336 - 06/03/03 11:30 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

not really if you consider the way women are subjiated all over the world.

you try being pregnat, giving birth, then trying to survive on minium wage while rasing a child.


then tell me what you think of abortion


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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
    #1606375 - 06/03/03 11:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

My wife is anti-abortion. I know other women who have gone through what you tell me to try and are anti-abortion. It has nothing to do with being anti-woman or being subjugated, your mistake is projecting unto others your mode of thinking. MANY woman become anti-abortion after being pregnant, do you know why this is? It is because they realize the miracle of life and value human life more highly than the desire to terminate it because it is inconvenient. To them, IT IS ABOUT THE SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE. You may find this incomprehensible and try to rationalize it away with ideas such as 'subjugation' and 'anti-women' but you are wrong.


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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: Evolving]
    #1606420 - 06/04/03 12:05 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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IS ABOUT THE SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE.




oh is taht what that is? tell me how many anti-war protests did you go to?

How come none of these white anti-abortion women volunteer to have some black fetues transplanted into their uterus?

How come no pro-lifers adopt crack babies?

or the hundreds of thousands of females born into china that are killed after birth, because only homor is brought to the family by having a son, and in china your only allowed to keep one kid?

how come you don't adopt some of those girls? there's plenty of them up for adoption and they're very easy to save. or would that be too (and i quote you here) "inconvenient".


How come when its a us its an abortion, and when its a chicken its an omlete?
are you a vegan?

your argument is smothered in hypocrasy.


the reason why republicans and christians are against abortions is because the vast majority of people haveing abortions are white middle class women, they don't wanna be over populated by the minorites now do they?

same reason christains are against abortions, less kids means future christians to $buy$ their ticket to heaven from the church

same reason they are against contraceptives, they don't wanna run out of sheeple, now do they?

Catholic preists always want a new freash crop of kids to molest.

life begans at conception???

actually life began 3.5 million years ago and its a continous process,

it keeps going and going.

if you wanna be anti abortion, that's fine, don't have one, but don't push your values on other people, or retards will get caught up in you rederic and kill doctors thinking its in the name of "the sanctity of life"








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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
    #1606436 - 06/04/03 12:10 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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oh is taht what that is? tell me how many anti-war protests did you go to?



If you followed his posts, you'd see that he was against the war.

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How come none of these white anti-abortion women volunteer to have some black fetues transplanted into their uterus?



Because it's easier to adopt, which many of them do.

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How come no pro-lifers adopt crack babies?



How do you know they don't?

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How come when its a us its an abortion, and when its a chicken its an omlete?
are you a vegan?



Some people value human life more than other life forms. It's about looking after our own.

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you argument is smothered in hypocrasy.



And yours with idiocy.


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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: silversoul7]
    #1606448 - 06/04/03 12:13 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i agree giving the women the right to choose is idiocy, what was i thinking?


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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
    #1606461 - 06/04/03 12:16 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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i agree giving the women the right to choose is idiocy, what was i thinking?



Tell me where I said that.


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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: silversoul7]
    #1606463 - 06/04/03 12:17 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

oh wait, i forgot to mention

that even if abortions are illegal, they still happen, much like drugs

only when abortions arn't legal, tehy're done in shitty condition with coat hangers, often the women and the baby dies in this situation.

how many WASP families do you know with black or asian babies?


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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
    #1606473 - 06/04/03 12:21 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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that even if abortions are illegal, they still happen, much like drugs

only when abortions arn't legal, tehy're done in shitty condition with coat hangers, often the women and the baby dies in this situation.



Which is why I'm pro-choice


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    #1606477 - 06/04/03 12:22 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

dude don't try to compare any law against abortion with drug laws.

why is it that liberals are so concerned with the lives of rare animals but don't seem to care about "fetal tissue"? did you know that when you kill a late-term fetus with a coat hanger, it cries out in pain? it feels pain. where is the compassion? I thought liberals were all about love and compassion and all that but maybe I was wrong.


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    #1606479 - 06/04/03 12:25 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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why is it that liberals are so concerned with the lives of rare animals but don't seem to care about "fetal tissue"?



When human fetuses are in danger of extinction, let me know.


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    #1606501 - 06/04/03 12:33 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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why is it that liberals are so concerned with the lives of rare animals but don't seem to care about "fetal tissue"? did you know that when you kill a late-term fetus with a coat hanger, it cries out in pain? it feels pain. where is the compassion? I thought liberals were all about love and compassion and all that but maybe I was wrong




are you a vegan?

Did you know that every living animal with a nervous system on earth feels pain.

Did you know that scientists have found plants to give of nervous like reading that could be a form of pain sensory?

no living creature has been given the gift of eternal pleasure. I'm all for a method of painless abortion, and think abortions should only been used in certain cases, female was raped, may die, or become debilitated, or is under a certain age, or the kid will be seriusly retarted or incredibly deformed(to the point of jepardising his survival. but most importantly i don't think it should be men to decide this.
(and yes i am a male)


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    #1606525 - 06/04/03 12:42 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

are you a vegan?

I am not a vegan and I don't equate human life with animal life.

i don't think it should be men to decide this

whatever happened to pro-choice?

I also think that abortions should be allowed in certain cases. these are the tough choices that men (and women) have to make. but abortion is wrong, don't kid yourself - it is taking a human life.


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    #1606528 - 06/04/03 12:43 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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I also think that abortions should be allowed in certain cases. these are the tough choices that men (and women) have to make. but abortion is wrong, don't kid yourself - it is taking a human life.



I agree. It is evil, but sometimes it is a necessary evil.


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Re: "Abortion clinincs" or "health clinics" [Re: RadioActiveSlug]
    #1606646 - 06/04/03 01:34 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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tell me how many anti-war protests did you go to?



What does this have to do with the opinions of those who are anti-abortion?

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How come none of these white anti-abortion women volunteer to have some black fetues transplanted into their uterus?



This is a stupid question. You might as well ask someone who is against the war in Iraq to volunteer to take a family of Iraqi's into their home.

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How come no pro-lifers adopt crack babies?



I know of some who have.

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or the hundreds of thousands of females born into china that are killed after birth, because only homor is brought to the family by having a son, and in china your only allowed to keep one kid?



WTF? Could you rephrase that using proper English grammar and punctuation? Regardless, adoption of Chinese babies is a VERY big social phenomena in this country right now. But I guess they didn't tell you that in your ESL classes did they?

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how come you don't adopt some of those girls? there's plenty of them up for adoption and they're very easy to save. or would that be too (and i quote you here) "inconvenient".



Huh? Who do you think I am, Woody Allen? See above.

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How come when its a us its an abortion, and when its a chicken its an omlete?



Here's a thought for you, those are TWO different things.

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are you a vegan?



What does that have to do with abortion?

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your argument is smothered in hypocrasy.



Please, after correcting your spelling and grammar, tell me how is my argument 'smothered in hypocrisy?'

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the reason why republicans and christians are against abortions is because the vast majority of people haveing abortions are white middle class women, they don't wanna be over populated by the minorites now do they?



Your powers of mind reading are so amazing as to be totally non-existent. Please tell me how you so smugly come to your conclusions about the thought processes of those whom you do not understand.

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same reason christains are against abortions, less kids means future christians to $buy$ their ticket to heaven from the church



See above. Hint: your ignorance is showing.

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same reason they are against contraceptives, they don't wanna run out of sheeple, now do they?



Which Christians are you referring to? To my knowledge, not all pro-life Christians are
against contraceptives (most that I've known aren't).

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Catholic preists always want a new freash crop of kids to molest.



You believe this? Perhaps it's time to check into The Betty Ford Clinic.

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life begans at conception???



It is logical to conclude that an individual human life does indeed begin at conception. Can you provide scientific evidence to refute this?

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actually life began 3.5 million years ago and its a continous process,



Do not conflate the beginning of an individual human life with the dawn of life on the earth. These are two different issues.

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if you wanna be anti abortion, that's fine, don't have one, but don't push your values on other people,



Hmmm, I can hear echoes of anti-emancipation arguments, "If you want to be anti-slavery, that's fine, don't have any slaves, but don't push your values on other people."

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or retards will get caught up in you rederic and kill doctors thinking its in the name of "the sanctity of life"



What's 'rederic'? Are you trying to say that because some people believe in the sanctity of human life, they are somehow to blame for the actions of others who do not? This is irrational.


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    #1606654 - 06/04/03 01:38 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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I am not a vegan and I don't equate human life with animal life.





how can you not? humans are animals, humans couldn't survive if it wasn't for other animals, the ecosystems that gave birth to them, and the billions of bacteria that line the inside and outside of our human bodies, the mites that live in your eye brows, and the micro scopic centapid looking things that run along your teeth.

Humans are only part of the living earth, not the paramount of it, nor the reason for it.

what makes you think humans are so special? because you are one? HA! nice self interest.

Is it becaues humans are the "most intelligent"? actually there exist forms of intelligence in slime molds and bacteria that we are only beganing to understand.

Ants and termites have been cultivateing fungi for millions of years, humans for about 5,000

our intelligence is limited to what we can comprehend, we are not the most intelligent beings on this plant, its only our ego's that make us think this.

and even if we were, that means we're moer important because we're more intelligent? that means that more intelligent people are more important that dumber ones.....that means their lives are worth more............careful, your in a grey area now, that's the same kind of logic that leads to genocide.

of course you don't want genocide, with teh sanctity of live (oh excuse me HUMAN life)
but not everyone is going to interpret your thoughts the same way.



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