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OfflineEvilGir
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Is the matrix good or bad
    #1604076 - 06/03/03 11:46 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

So would the creation of an artificial world be such a bad thing, you could basicaly do anything you wanted as long as you didnt cause pain or suffering to others. You could have the physical body of a 20 year old even to the day you die.
You would be able to visit other planets create new worlds ect. I know it wouldnt realy but there would be less suffering for the planet if we all jacked in to a perfect fantasy world willingly.


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Re: Is the matrix good or bad [Re: EvilGir]
    #1604082 - 06/03/03 11:49 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

But wouldn't you wonder how your physical body was doing in the real reality?
How can a world be perfect if it's composed of people who neglect themselves by escaping the TRUE reality to live in a dream world?


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Re: Is the matrix good or bad [Re: nubious]
    #1604150 - 06/03/03 12:06 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

But there would be no war, no one would starve, cruility wouldnt be allowed as the program could simply isolate that person from the system or servely incapacitate them by removing there legs digitaly of course. It would be living in a dream world only better than the dream we already live in.


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Re: Is the matrix good or bad [Re: EvilGir]
    #1604177 - 06/03/03 12:18 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

but if such technology were possible could you just forgo your real self to what could be classified as a high tech video game? Have you ever seen someone who plays too much everquest? It's not healthy....


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Re: Is the matrix good or bad [Re: nubious]
    #1604352 - 06/03/03 01:29 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

i guess it could be cool,
if you could go to and from reality, and the matrix...
wouldn't it just be kinda like a lucid dream or something?
so don't we pretty much have our own little worlds we can go to and make it how ever we want it..?


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Re: Is the matrix good or bad [Re: nubious]
    #1604642 - 06/03/03 02:59 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)


Have you ever seen someone who plays too much everquest? It's not healthy....
Have you ever seen someone who lives too long in this reality? The same thing happens, only that it happens faster with Everquest.

If a digital reality could duplicate the physics of this reality, then it would be NO DIFFERENT! This reality would be equal to that one. Here's why- The contiousness lving in the digital reality would accept that reality as their reality and there is no way of seeing how it is different. The reality we live in now could have been created by a larger entity that lives in another different dimension/reality, so for all we know, we are living in a created reality.

As long as we think this reality is real, it IS real.  :wink:


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Re: Is the matrix good or bad [Re: Murex]
    #1605241 - 06/03/03 05:20 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

"But there would be no war, no one would starve, cruility wouldnt be allowed as the program could simply isolate that person from the system or servely incapacitate them by removing there legs digitaly of course. It would be living in a dream world only better than the dream we already live in."

of course there would be war and poverty and cruelty.

do you think everyone in the world could afford the computer system needed for a matrix? who would build the system? who would pay for it? how much pollution would it cost, how would it be powered? who would feed those in the matrix?

just because humans could create an artificial world, doesnt mean the real world would dissolve, along with economics/politics/biology etc.


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Edited by atomikfunksoldier (06/03/03 05:21 PM)


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Re: Is the matrix good or bad [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1605591 - 06/03/03 07:07 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

maybe this artificial world would become incredibly realistic and stable, but what if humans still knowingly inserted themselves inside of it, and built their lives around the artificial world. And the fear of the system crashing or something became just like the fear of death. Nothing to lose sleep over, but always lingering in the back of your mind somewhere. ... "What if there's a glitch...?"


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Re: Is the matrix good or bad [Re: Grav]
    #1606731 - 06/04/03 02:10 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Well, what if you wanted to leafe the Matrix reality but couldn't tell if you're currently interacting in the "real" reality or the "matrix" reality, hmmm, note to self: Don't think about that the next time you trip on shrooms.

Or, if you weren't allowed to leave this "Matrix," what if something happened to your actual physical body, and you were powerless to do anything?


Edited by Demon_Hunter (06/04/03 02:11 AM)


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Re: Is the matrix good or bad [Re: Murex]
    #1606971 - 06/04/03 03:48 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

"As long as we think this reality is real, it IS real"

this is where i fear insanity... so if you think its not real... than is it not... can one break the bounds of the norm? can we re shape the rules? maybe we created rules before we ever knew what we could do... maybe its just one of those safety nets.


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Re: Is the matrix good or bad [Re: Zero7a1]
    #1607207 - 06/04/03 07:05 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Ok although this type of technology could cause problem it would be a new step forward to the human race. Maybe the matrix could be to real for people to handle but just imagine the other possibilities of having the mind connected to a computer.
Imagine downloading information into the human mind on any skill or subject we could easily advance technology by a 1000 years in less than a decade easily.
Its just that i think the technology for this is closer than we think, as soon as computers become faster than the human brain then all kinds of crazy stuff will beging to emerge. Just think keyboards and mice will eventuialy die out because the fastest way of accessing these machines would be to link them to the human mind.

Ok instead of accessing a matrix type of reality you could access a computer created world built up from your own mind when you sleep. This could then be manipulated and reprogrammed by you which could help to unlock sub-concious stuff or help with any psychlogicla difficulties.



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Re: Is the matrix good or bad [Re: Zero7a1]
    #1608959 - 06/04/03 08:26 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)


That's not what I meant. I was saying that if you believe this reality is real, than in your mind, it is real. If you lived in a dream and was never woken up (coma), you would believe the dream is your reality.


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What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
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Re: Is the matrix good or bad [Re: nubious]
    #1608996 - 06/04/03 08:39 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

it can be argued that this 'reality' is as much a dream as your dreams at night, but you have to have the perspective to achieve that mindstate ... it can really put things in perspective


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Re: Is the matrix good or bad [Re: HB]
    #1609163 - 06/04/03 09:50 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

the thing is...sadly...it won't happen. the matrix will never be made. it's just another movie. it seems as if the movie was an exuse or theory of how real life really is.

unfortunately, no one can be told what the real world is. (i like that)


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Re: Is the matrix good or bad [Re: shr00m]
    #1609170 - 06/04/03 09:52 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

unfortunately, no one can be told what the real world is. (i like that)




you just have to see it for yourself.
:laugh:


Edited by Clean (06/04/03 09:53 PM)


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Re: Is the matrix good or bad [Re: EvilGir]
    #1609535 - 06/05/03 12:15 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

the philosiphy section has good insights into this - www.whatisthematrix.com

I guess it depends, do you control a matrix? , or does THE matrix control you?

Do you create the dream, or did the dream create you?


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Re: Is the matrix good or bad [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1609584 - 06/05/03 12:27 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)


I am the dreamer in the dreamers' dream.


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What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



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Re: Is the matrix good or bad [Re: Murex]
    #1609829 - 06/05/03 01:43 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

well i got confused. by saying this "reality" is real... seems rather redundant to me.. so i assum you are talking THE REALITY. not just your perception. a better way i think for me to understand it... is if you think this Perception of reality is the real one than it is real.... but regardless... i see what you mean :wink: . did you see the animatrix yet?


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Re: Is the matrix good or bad [Re: Zero7a1]
    #1609995 - 06/05/03 02:34 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

mmmm everquest


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Re: Is the matrix good or bad [Re: Zero7a1]
    #1610086 - 06/05/03 03:06 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)


did you see the animatrix yet?

I didn't know it was out allready.  :shocked:


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