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Re: Use Birth Control? You're FIRED, WHORE!!! [Re: Icelander]
    #16050056 - 04/05/12 10:39 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

where do you get the idea I don't consider Obama dangerous? Because I pointed out what a horrible person Bush was? I feel like a crying mother protesting columbine at an N.R.A. meeting. Everyone assumes I'm going through menopause.

If the presidency over the last 3 terms has been made up of Bush and Obama and a bunch of other congress controlled ass tards in Zappas sig, what do we have? One party will win and fix the mess? Give me a break. We are getting off the course of birth control here, and I was saying lets compare Hitler and Stalin when speaking of who controls the office, and who has better morals

Here is something to add to the debate, both of those assholes killed women, pregnant women, lot's of them. Less tyranny if birth control had been better implemented and the women weren't pregnant? Hey Zappa, please quote me, many many times I'd appreciate it. I do notice my posts get straight to the idea behind it all, with no coherent evidence. I wish I was more formulated like crystal g, I don't know if he an ass in real life or what, but he is pointing out some pretty interesting shit. Planned parenthood vs $23 pills at the pharmacy? Should tax payers pay?

Are some things not stipulated? It's like arguing with lobbyists, if you don't want something closed down, don't create such an extremely vague general way of implementing something. You want something, balance it, don't make it so one side will get so much much more then the other. But what the fuck does this have to do with women's employment? Who would use birth control for some unreasonable method? In fact, planned parent hood would be EXPENSIVE, and opposite of birth control. Why would a business care if someone uses birth control? Their idea of 'medical benefits' is taking some of your check and instead of taxing directly throwing it into your insurance plan then taxing it instead of letting you spend the money yourself.

So birth control would be the most of their worries? This is a freedom issue isn't it? And with politics the closest reason to shut down a freedom issue is by PROVING IT, therefore it comes to what people pay for. We pay for your freedom blah blah blah :rolleyes:
This thread makes me sick.


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It's like the trick to human problems is to be even more human. Not less human but as human as possible, only understanding human nature.

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Re: Use Birth Control? You're FIRED, WHORE!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #16050103 - 04/05/12 10:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Do you not fucking understand how fucking expensive medical care is in the US? My last hospital visit, which was 10 days, cost $90,000 fucking dollars! If I wasn't insured, I'd have been SCREWED and in debt for the rest of my fucking life! Fuck I paid less for college.




Tough shit.  How does that obligate me to pay?

If it's so important to them they should.  It certainly doesn't obligage me to fund a Planned Parenthood outlet in Yellow Pine Idaho.  If you want the benefits of civilization don't live in the boonies




benefits of civilization don't live in the boonies? You think in Yellow Pine Idaho there aren't people who create planned parenthood? ridiculous! That is like me saying in Somalia Africa, women wouldn't benefit from birth control!




Setting aside the fact that you are diverging from the point you really need to know more about Yellow Pine than you do now. 

So buy Somalian women birth control if you think it's good for them.  Maybe if you think it's good enough for them you'll make them take it.




I need a lobbyist Zappa, how about a republican one? favoring your side. Then I can get a few billion to go and help Somalian women take birth control, I mean really. I wouldn't waste tax payers money to go blow up a country over there, let one side win that would in total be as bad as the other side, leaving women raped, men with their arms chopped off, blood for diamonds etc.

Oh wait HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! That WAS a democratic decision, not a republican one(big difference :rolleyes:) Actually for once Zappa is right, Bush did more for Africa then any other president in history. I thought I'd mention something relevant though, like actually using foreign aid money for foreign aid, instead of squandering it. hard to imagine birth control for African women would be a way to waste foreign aid spending. Because sometimes Zapp is sarcastic? No not at all

hey what was that about yellow pine Idaho again? Something relevant? I have family in Idaho from Post Falls all the way down to Boise, Idaho, didn't really know there was anything special or relevant about yellow pines to this thread, or at all. They didn't even film that Napoleon Dynamite movie there. What is so great about Yellow pines?


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The point to meditating is to feel the same when you are meditation as when you aren't. To be balanced inside and out. Difficult to do when being aware of breath and sensation. However, not impossible. Feeling ok about yourself at all times seems to be a great difficult skill to master. The concept so simple a snail could understand it. To practice it some of the greatest Albert Einstein type minds couldn't master it.

It's like the trick to human problems is to be even more human. Not less human but as human as possible, only understanding human nature.

Understanding subtleties is hard. What is subtle? Subtle is powerful. Atoms are subtle. Atoms make up everything we are. Understanding subtleties is one of the hardest parts of life.


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Re: Use Birth Control? You're FIRED, WHORE!!! [Re: imachavel]
    #16050147 - 04/05/12 11:00 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Use Birth Control? You're FIRED, WHORE!!! [Re: imachavel]
    #16050152 - 04/05/12 11:02 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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where do you get the idea I don't consider Obama dangerous? Because I pointed out what a horrible person Bush was? I feel like a crying mother protesting columbine at an N.R.A. meeting. Everyone assumes I'm going through menopause.

If the presidency over the last 3 terms has been made up of Bush and Obama and a bunch of other congress controlled ass tards in Zappas sig, what do we have? One party will win and fix the mess? Give me a break. We are getting off the course of birth control here, and I was saying lets compare Hitler and Stalin when speaking of who controls the office, and who has better morals

Here is something to add to the debate, both of those assholes killed women, pregnant women, lot's of them. Less tyranny if birth control had been better implemented and the women weren't pregnant? Hey Zappa, please quote me, many many times I'd appreciate it. I do notice my posts get straight to the idea behind it all, with no coherent evidence. I wish I was more formulated like crystal g, I don't know if he an ass in real life or what, but he is pointing out some pretty interesting shit. Planned parenthood vs $23 pills at the pharmacy? Should tax payers pay?

Are some things not stipulated? It's like arguing with lobbyists, if you don't want something closed down, don't create such an extremely vague general way of implementing something. You want something, balance it, don't make it so one side will get so much much more then the other. But what the fuck does this have to do with women's employment? Who would use birth control for some unreasonable method? In fact, planned parent hood would be EXPENSIVE, and opposite of birth control. Why would a business care if someone uses birth control? Their idea of 'medical benefits' is taking some of your check and instead of taxing directly throwing it into your insurance plan then taxing it instead of letting you spend the money yourself.

So birth control would be the most of their worries? This is a freedom issue isn't it? And with politics the closest reason to shut down a freedom issue is by PROVING IT, therefore it comes to what people pay for. We pay for your freedom blah blah blah :rolleyes:
This thread makes me sick.





:lol: Well I guess I'm out of my element here as I really am not sure what you are trying to say.

My only position on this really has nothing to do with birth control specifically.  I just don't want to have to purchase insurance that lumps my behavior which is very different from most people and lump it in with those folk and then average it out as far as cost. Cause I end up paying for expensive things I'll very likely never ever need. I'll end up paying for others who's life/health choices make me ill.  I want to pay for what I use and based on the risk I create for my health costs.  I've been paying for others my whole life without any choice in the matter and frankly I'm sick of it.  It's not going to change but I'm going to give my opinion anyway.


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Re: Use Birth Control? You're FIRED, WHORE!!! [Re: imachavel]
    #16051244 - 04/06/12 04:04 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

The Republican are going way beyond their the accepted bounds, hopefully that will show in the voting booth.


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Re: Use Birth Control? You're FIRED, WHORE!!! [Re: Crystal G]
    #16056984 - 04/07/12 03:14 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well....its a choice to use BC sometimes, and a medical reason others.  I call it not a  "Whore Pill" but a "Woman I can fuck without risking a kid and paying for it the rest of my life" Pill.  BUT....I pity someone who can't afford $4 a month at Walmart for the generic pill, that's what my ex used to pay.  And I think lots of things that insurance pays for aren't needed.  MUCH MUCH cheaper insurance can be had by buying calamity insurance for things that are expensive, and save in a medical savings account that has a tax benefit.  Much cheaper if you work.  Then you use the medical savings account to buy viagra, BC, etc.

Buy the way, Viagra and other such "Hard On Pills" are much more expensive than BC. 

I would rather states implement their stupid laws and keep the Federal Government out because when the FEDs make laws for the states, its a lot harder to change the laws. 

I do agree that putting moral, assinine self-morality of some certain legislator or group of people' laws into effect is forcing their belief system on others.  If someone wants to marry someone, not marry them, gays marry each other, whatever sexually they prefer should not be interfered with by the government. 

As far as your statement that you can get 2 years for adultery in Korea, you couldn't prove it by me.  I was in a location tracking technology start up that had a great tracking product, very cheap (NON-gps) and SK-Telecom from Korea wanted to buy it.  The Reason:  Their biggest application for it was 'Husband Tracking Devices' for women in Korea, China, and Japan... :rofl2:


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Re: Use Birth Control? You're FIRED, WHORE!!! [Re: starfire_xes]
    #16060800 - 04/08/12 02:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The nonsense never ends.  BY your rationale if the state pays for anything it isn't socialist to pay for everything.  Which is, of course, incredibly stupid.  There are legitimate functions of government, like security, that are common to all governments.  As far as public education goes they have clearly botched it and I don't think the federal government should have anything to do with it at all.




Let me explain to you how it is socialist in terms even you can understand.

Public taxes pay for a particular service or property, which the government then owns and dispenses to the public. What part of that isn’t “socialist?” And please explain to me exactly why state-funded healthcare would be considered “socialist,” whereas public parks and schools are apparently not socialist.

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My premiums would be less than half.  The profit margin for health insurance companies is around 5%.  In other words, peanuts.




BULLLLLLLLLLLL SHIT. Insurance companies rank #86 for industries ranked by amount of profit margin out of 215 listed industries.

Second, even IF what you were saying is true, that only proves that profit motive is what drives efficiency, thus what drives insurance companies to hastily drop coverage for any type of sick person possible.

Seriously, coverage for birth control for women would cost MAYBE in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. THAT AVERAGES OUT TO LESS THAN A FUCKING PENNY PER PERSON. You’re ACTUALLY saying you don’t want to shell out a PENNY so that women can have better access to birth control and abortions, thus SAVING YOU a fuckload of money in the long run? Apparently you don’t have a very good concept of finance, if you wouldn’t invest a single penny to save more money in the future.

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If you think they're getting so rich why don't you buy stock in health insurance companies?  As far as I know they are pretty much all publicly traded.  Be a mogul, you're such an astute analyst.




I bought stocks in 1 medical company that built heart surgery machines; I would never ever buy stock in companies that deliberately take advantage of people such as health insurance agencies. Jesus, just because Saddam Hussein and Dick Cheney offers stocks and bonds (*cough* Halliburton *cough*) for their companies doesn’t mean I want any part of it.

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Gee, he didn't pay his fucking bill, did he? 




You KNOW those 2 cents doesn’t even make an ass of difference, the insurance companies don’t give a rat’s ass about those 2 cents, and they just wanted any fucking reason to drop his ass. Are you REALLY saying that that’s okay, that they can enforce the rules so strictly that it pretty much disallows any imperfect human from continuing treatment. It’s the same reason people have gotten dropped for failing to list their preexisting conditions, even minor ones such as ACNE.

This is an outright ABUSE of the medical healthcare system and YOU KNOW IT.

I hope one day you “accidentally forget” to pay your bill by 2 cents, and then realize the sheer audacity of your statements later on.

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Most insurance coverage has limits.  It's spelled out in the fucking contract when you sign it.




That’s not any reason to DROP COVERAGE, that simply means they stop paying for the bill for that year, and then they are supposed to resume coverage the next year after that.

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Do you know why that costs so much?  because liberal nitwits forced the closing of asylums all over the country.  Put the loons back in the bin and it will be a lot cheaper.




LOL!!!!! It was RONALD REAGAN who closed the asylums in this country, not the “libruls” that you so claim :lol:

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Of course you are too wrapped up in your bullshit to know that housing prices have fallen precipitously in the last three years.  Do you live under a rock?




You mean, the housing prices that fell because the bubble burst during the recession? :rolleyes:

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Pollution does not equal waste.  Either make a case that it does or not.




Think about the long-term. In China, in areas where the pollution is so dense, many people have consequently gotten birth defects from the radiation and pollution poisoning. This costs society greatly in medical services and unemployment (if the birth defects are severe enough). Howcome conservatives never use their imagination and creativity to think about the bigger picture?

Liberals have higher IQ’s than conservatives: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100224132655.htm

Conservatives are more prone to making errors, and have larger fear centers in the brain. Which explains why Republicans are much like meth addicts, they are always going on about imaginary problems :lol: http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,2687256.story

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I am not middle class blue collar.  We are well into the 1% and I am fucking sick of paying for more and more bullshit for everybody else.




In other words, you make tens of millions of dollars, yet YOU PAY SIGNIFICANTLY LESS TAX (percentage-wise) THAN THE REST OF US HARD-WORKING, MIDDLE-CLASS AMERICANS. You top 1% pay some of the lowest taxes right after the bottom 40%. And you’re COMPLAINING?!?!!?! How GREEDY are you!

“We” are in the top 1%--lemme guess, you’re a trust fund baby living off your daddy’s paycheck. You yourself are probably unemployed, but have had the opportunity of living in the lap of luxury since birth. You yourself probably came from a rich family, and are simply wealthy because of the opportunities and wealth you have been given, and have earned awards not based on achievements, but on entitlement and luck. So you simply got LUCKY enough to afford medical care.

It’s so funny, because I am certain if your parents died, and decided not to leave you any money in their wills, it would be YOU who would be the entitled one, screaming, “Wahhh wahhh, that money was supposed to be MINE!!!!!”

Well, let me tell you something. You and your family would be worth NOTHING if it wasn’t for all those hard workers you employed that helped to build YOUR company, to make YOU rich.

If you were TRULY about implementing a fair wage, you would have paid your workers a fair wage that actually meets the standard of living, as opposed to minimum wage. (In case you haven’t noticed, minimum wage hasn’t met the standard of living for decades now.)

But no, guys like you are only about “profit maximization.” So you underpay your workers all so YOU can make that extra buck. In other words, the only reason you are “rich” is because you UNDERPAY your workers and make money by skimming off the top. Exactly like what a GREEDY PERSON would do.

In other words… You WOULDN’T BE IN THE TOP 1%, if it weren’t for the fact that you deliberately ripped off plenty of your workers from having a good standard of living.

Fuck, this makes me so glad I joined the Occupy movement after seeing exactly what people like you are like. “People”… and that’s putting it nicely.

Karl Marx > You.



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Look, it doesn't matter one wit if the rich are greedy bastards or stingy. It's their money.  I'm not rich like Zappa so I care even more that people who don't take responsibility for themselves demand that I do it for them.




You know, if you were to ever get sick, and then get dropped from a health insurance company, I highly doubt you could ever pay out of pocket to treat yourself. The people you are siding with are not on YOUR SIDE, you are EXPENDABLE to them.

Also, Obama is a CENTRIST. He’s not a “librul.” He’s made more deals with the partisanship than any of the past 10 presidents.


starfire: there was a very famous Korean actress that was charged for adultery. She was originally going to 2 years for it, but got out of jail, probably because she's famous. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/south-korean-actress-avoids-jail-for-adultery-1201679.html

Exactly, AFAIK many insurance companies already pay for Viagra, which is an expensive, expensive brand-name (each pill costs at least $20). Howcome nobody is up in arm over that?!!?


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Re: Use Birth Control? You're FIRED, WHORE!!! [Re: Crystal G]
    #16061030 - 04/08/12 03:29 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The nonsense never ends.  BY your rationale if the state pays for anything it isn't socialist to pay for everything.  Which is, of course, incredibly stupid.  There are legitimate functions of government, like security, that are common to all governments.  As far as public education goes they have clearly botched it and I don't think the federal government should have anything to do with it at all.




Let me explain to you how it is socialist in terms even you can understand.

Public taxes pay for a particular service or property, which the government then owns and dispenses to the public. What part of that isn’t “socialist?” And please explain to me exactly why state-funded healthcare would be considered “socialist,” whereas public parks and schools are apparently not socialist.

I already expressed my doubt about public education.  My question stands.  By your definition what government function is NOT socialist?

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My premiums would be less than half.  The profit margin for health insurance companies is around 5%.  In other words, peanuts.




BULLLLLLLLLLLL SHIT. Insurance companies rank #86 for industries ranked by amount of profit margin out of 215 listed industries.

Really?
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Health insurers, in fact, ranked below many other industries in profitability, including other health sectors, according to the latest Fortune magazine rankings. While pharmaceutical companies were the third-most profitable industry last year, with a 19.3 percent profit margin, health insurers ranked 35th, with a 2.2 percent profit margin. Health insurers also ranked lower in profitability than medical products and equipment makers, pharmacies and medical facilities.




That's even less.  Just fucking stop. You are so uninformed you should just default to the "I have no opinion mode".

Second, even IF what you were saying is true, that only proves that profit motive is what drives efficiency, thus what drives insurance companies to hastily drop coverage for any type of sick person possible.
What drives them to drop coverage is to protect the other policy holders.  How can you still not get this?  It isn't the insurance company that pays.  It's the other policy holders

Seriously, coverage for birth control for women would cost MAYBE in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. THAT AVERAGES OUT TO LESS THAN A FUCKING PENNY PER PERSON. You’re ACTUALLY saying you don’t want to shell out a PENNY so that women can have better access to birth control and abortions, thus SAVING YOU a fuckload of money in the long run? Apparently you don’t have a very good concept of finance, if you wouldn’t invest a single penny to save more money in the future.  If it's so fucking cheap just fucking buy it.  I see absolutely zero reason why I should be paying it

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If you think they're getting so rich why don't you buy stock in health insurance companies?  As far as I know they are pretty much all publicly traded.  Be a mogul, you're such an astute analyst.




I bought stocks in 1 medical company that built heart surgery machines; I would never ever buy stock in companies that deliberately take advantage of people such as health insurance agencies. Jesus, just because Saddam Hussein and Dick Cheney offers stocks and bonds (*cough* Halliburton *cough*) for their companies doesn’t mean I want any part of it.
Why not?  If you actually owned them you would have a voice in how they operate.  Instead you choose to opt out.  Cheney?  Really?  What does that have to do with this to anyone except a hardcore commie moron?

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Gee, he didn't pay his fucking bill, did he? 




You KNOW those 2 cents doesn’t even make an ass of difference, the insurance companies don’t give a rat’s ass about those 2 cents, and they just wanted any fucking reason to drop his ass. Are you REALLY saying that that’s okay, that they can enforce the rules so strictly that it pretty much disallows any imperfect human from continuing treatment. It’s the same reason people have gotten dropped for failing to list their preexisting conditions, even minor ones such as ACNE.

I suggest to everyone that they read their contracts before they sign them and adhere scrupulously.

This is an outright ABUSE of the medical healthcare system and YOU KNOW IT.

Insurance is not care.

I hope one day you “accidentally forget” to pay your bill by 2 cents, and then realize the sheer audacity of your statements later on.

I won't but if I did I wouldn't whine.

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Most insurance coverage has limits.  It's spelled out in the fucking contract when you sign it.




That’s not any reason to DROP COVERAGE, that simply means they stop paying for the bill for that year, and then they are supposed to resume coverage the next year after that.  That would depend on what the contract says.

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Do you know why that costs so much?  because liberal nitwits forced the closing of asylums all over the country.  Put the loons back in the bin and it will be a lot cheaper.




LOL!!!!! It was RONALD REAGAN who closed the asylums in this country, not the “libruls” that you so claim :lol:  Is that why NY State closed their asylums?  Nope.  Your boyfriend has apparently pulled another fact out of his ass.  The courts forced it.

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Of course you are too wrapped up in your bullshit to know that housing prices have fallen precipitously in the last three years.  Do you live under a rock?




You mean, the housing prices that fell because the bubble burst during the recession? :rolleyes:
That bubble bursting, i.e. losers not paying their mortgages caused the recession.
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Pollution does not equal waste.  Either make a case that it does or not.




Think about the long-term. In China, in areas where the pollution is so dense, many people have consequently gotten birth defects from the radiation and pollution poisoning. This costs society greatly in medical services and unemployment (if the birth defects are severe enough). Howcome conservatives never use their imagination and creativity to think about the bigger picture?
Yes I know.  That isn't what you said, is it?
Liberals have higher IQ’s than conservatives: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100224132655.htm

Conservatives are more prone to making errors, and have larger fear centers in the brain. Which explains why Republicans are much like meth addicts, they are always going on about imaginary problems :lol: http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,2687256.story The second one said nothing and the first one talked only about self identified conservatives among adolescents.  The second one also had a strong element of atheism.  What are you gonna do with me, a conservative atheist?

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I am not middle class blue collar.  We are well into the 1% and I am fucking sick of paying for more and more bullshit for everybody else.




In other words, you make tens of millions of dollars, yet YOU PAY SIGNIFICANTLY LESS TAX (percentage-wise) THAN THE REST OF US HARD-WORKING, MIDDLE-CLASS AMERICANS. You top 1% pay some of the lowest taxes right after the bottom 40%. And you’re COMPLAINING?!?!!?! How GREEDY are you!First of all I'm not in the group that the nitwits think pay a lower rate because their final income is reported as a capital gain.  We pay around 50% of our income in taxes.  The top 1% is only around $400K and most of them are small business owners.  I don't think we claim one single dollar in capital gains.
“We” are in the top 1%--lemme guess, you’re a trust fund baby living off your daddy’s paycheck. You yourself are probably unemployed, but have had the opportunity of living in the lap of luxury since birth. You yourself probably came from a rich family, and are simply wealthy because of the opportunities and wealth you have been given, and have earned awards not based on achievements, but on entitlement and luck. So you simply got LUCKY enough to afford medical care.



You would be quite wrong.

It’s so funny, because I am certain if your parents died, and decided not to leave you any money in their wills, it would be YOU who would be the entitled one, screaming, “Wahhh wahhh, that money was supposed to be MINE!!!!!”

The sum total of my inheritance was $35K.  My wife got a dependent mother who is now 96 years old and completely reliant on her children for support.

Well, let me tell you something. You and your family would be worth NOTHING if it wasn’t for all those hard workers you employed that helped to build YOUR company, to make YOU rich.

Not a single one of them worked as hard as I did and my wife didn't have any employees.  Nice try.

If you were TRULY about implementing a fair wage, you would have paid your workers a fair wage that actually meets the standard of living, as opposed to minimum wage. (In case you haven’t noticed, minimum wage hasn’t met the standard of living for decades now.)

But no, guys like you are only about “profit maximization.” So you underpay your workers all so YOU can make that extra buck. In other words, the only reason you are “rich” is because you UNDERPAY your workers and make money by skimming off the top. Exactly like what a GREEDY PERSON would do.

In other words… You WOULDN’T BE IN THE TOP 1%, if it weren’t for the fact that you deliberately ripped off plenty of your workers from having a good standard of living.

Fuck, this makes me so glad I joined the Occupy movement after seeing exactly what people like you are like. “People”… and that’s putting it nicely.

Karl Marx > You.

I didn't rip anybody off.  I paid them all exactly what I said I would.  None of it was minimum wage.  I got ripped off by a bunch of my employees, though.  It's actually an expected factor



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Look, it doesn't matter one wit if the rich are greedy bastards or stingy. It's their money.  I'm not rich like Zappa so I care even more that people who don't take responsibility for themselves demand that I do it for them.




You know, if you were to ever get sick, and then get dropped from a health insurance company, I highly doubt you could ever pay out of pocket to treat yourself. The people you are siding with are not on YOUR SIDE, you are EXPENDABLE to them.

Here's my free advice to anybody regarding health care.  Start a tax free health care fund of your own and negotiate with doctors.  If your state allows it buy a huge deductible emergency policy. 

I lost my health insurance policy because of Obamacare mandates.  If I wanted a fucking HMO policy I would buy one.
Also, Obama is a CENTRIST. He’s not a “librul.” He’s made more deals with the partisanship than any of the past 10 presidents.

The most liberal Senator is now a centrist?


starfire: there was a very famous Korean actress that was charged for adultery. She was originally going to 2 years for it, but got out of jail, probably because she's famous. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/south-korean-actress-avoids-jail-for-adultery-1201679.html

Exactly, AFAIK many insurance companies already pay for Viagra, which is an expensive, expensive brand-name (each pill costs at least $20). Howcome nobody is up in arm over that?!!?




Because they don't cost $20 a pill.  It costs about $2.  Along with your ignorance about the female reproductive system you have added a complete ignorance of the male reproductive system.  Buy your own whore pills or get your MD boyfriend to but them for you (and several hundred others). 


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    #16061147 - 04/08/12 04:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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I already expressed my doubt about public education.  My question stands.  By your definition what government function is NOT socialist?




That's my point. A lot of our government functions by very definition already ARE socialist. Therefore, I don't understand people who go around claiming socialism is bad. Remnants of it already exist in the US, and have proven to be immensely fruitful.

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What drives them to drop coverage is to protect the other policy holders.  How can you still not get this?  It isn't the insurance company that pays.  It's the other policy holders




Yea, they care about those other policy holders until those policy holders become sick and start costing too much money :lol:

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If it's so fucking cheap just fucking buy it.  I see absolutely zero reason why I should be paying it




You REALLY wouldn't pay a fucking PENNY so everybody can have access to birth control, thus SAVING you more money in the long run? How greedy can you possibly be that you wouldn't pay a stupid goddamn penny for women's healthcare. You wouldn't even give it a 2nd thought if you were to lose that penny.

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Why not?  If you actually owned them you would have a voice in how they operate.  Instead you choose to opt out.  Cheney?  Really?  What does that have to do with this to anyone except a hardcore commie moron?





LOL!!!!!! You mean, you don't even know about how Cheney's company Halliburton cost you, the taxpayer, an ASSLOAD of money through waste of incredibly expensive products? Why does it not surprise me, that conservatives completely approve of waste in the military sector.

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I suggest to everyone that they read their contracts before they sign them and adhere scrupulously.




Whereas you likely can afford a lawyer that can translate legal texts, not everybody has the capacity to read exactly what's in the contract. In case you didn't know, many companies deliberately use difficult-to-read legal scripture, which can be difficult for those who have never gotten an education in law, philosophy, political theory, and other difficult-to-read texts.

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I won't but if I did I wouldn't whine.




Yea right, you would probably bitch up a storm. :rolleyes: Look at how much you're bitching up a storm just because you might actually have to pay A SINGLE PENNY to cover birth control.

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That would depend on what the contract says.




"Dropping coverage" implies that the insurance company terminates the contract with said person. Insurance companies that have "limits" end coverage for that year, and then resume the coverage for next year. "Dropping coverage" means that coverage ends PERMANENTLY.

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LOL!!!!! It was RONALD REAGAN who closed the asylums in this country, not the “libruls” that you so claim :lol:  Is that why NY State closed their asylums?  Nope.  Your boyfriend has apparently pulled another fact out of his ass.  The courts forced it.




What the fuck does my boyfriend have anything to do with this? My knowledge of politics is based on my degrees and from reading texts, my boyfriend and I rarely talk politics with each other. :rolleyes: REAGAN was the one who closed insane asylums.

http://www.sociology.org/content/vol003.004/thomas.html

"When he became president he cut federal spending for mental hospitals and put that burden on the states, which he did by rescinding President Carter’s Mental Health Systems Act of 1980. Without federal funding mental hospitals closed throughout the nation and psychiatric wards in private hospitals grew. The result was big money for the private sector and mentally ill patients left without proper institutions and care."

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Yes I know.  That isn't what you said, is it?




I said pollution causes waste. Then, apparently, since you were lacking enough creativity to formulate a scenario in which it does, I exemplified one for you.

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The second one said nothing and the first one talked only about self identified conservatives among adolescents.  The second one also had a strong element of atheism.  What are you gonna do with me, a conservative atheist?




It means the average conservative atheist is statistically not as intelligent as the average conservative liberal.

And no, you're not that smart, as I mentioned in my very last point below.

A nice way of putting extreme Republican/libertarian guys like you is to simply call you guys anarcho-capitalists.
Anarcho communists > anarcho capitalists.

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Not a single one of them worked as hard as I did and my wife didn't have any employees.  Nice try.




And exactly how the hell did you make that much money if you weren't a job-creator? Did you do it through stocks? Owning an internet company?

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I didn't rip anybody off.  I paid them all exactly what I said I would.  None of it was minimum wage.  I got ripped off by a bunch of my employees, though.  It's actually an expected factor





Oh, so you DID have employees.

Whatever. As long as you're paying them a decent and livable wage, I'm not going to complain about how you run your business.

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Also, Obama is a CENTRIST. He’s not a “librul.” He’s made more deals with the partisanship than any of the past 10 presidents.

The most liberal Senator is now a centrist?




Most so-called "leftist" politicians are really more centrist than they are left. If you had knowledge of politics and political theory you would know that. True leftists would run along the lines more of post-Marxism or extreme liberal democratism. That's why I can't help but laugh when people throw around the phrase "librul media." :lol:

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Because they don't cost $20 a pill.  It costs about $2.  Along with your ignorance about the female reproductive system you have added a complete ignorance of the male reproductive system.  Buy your own whore pills or get your MD boyfriend to but them for you (and several hundred others). 




1) Please explain what the fuck the reproductive system has to do with knowledge of brand name pharmaceutical costs. Apparently you don't know the difference between pharmaceutical knowledge and reproductive biological knowledge, yet you're claiming I don't have knowledge on reproduction. :rolleyes:

2) Cialis, which is another erectile dysfunction pill, costs almost $20 per pill: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070412043842AA4o6ZB

So apparently it is YOU who shows overwhelming ignorance of the pills that males take.

3) That's the 9th time you've said "buy your own whore pills." As I mentioned in the other thread, You keep saying "buy your own whore pills," as if you're actually making a clever statement. When you clearly ripped it off of my link from another author.

What, you want me to pat you on the back or something? Because you're not clever at all. You didn't even make that shit up; you're a PLAGIARIST. Some liberal feminist journalist was the one who coined the phrase. So you can shut the fuck up already trying to act all witty by continually saying "buy your own whore pills." You're NOT remotely clever. And you've said it about 8 or 9 times already, so you're not only a copycat who steals other people's jokes, you milk it by saying the same stupid thing over and over again, trying to get a laugh out of people


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Re: Use Birth Control? You're FIRED, WHORE!!! [Re: Crystal G]
    #16061270 - 04/08/12 04:36 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:popcorn:

Who the fuck needs Netflix? :thumbup:


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    #16061291 - 04/08/12 04:40 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Nobody needs netflix when Crystal G returns from a long hiatus to rage up some Polit Discuss.


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    #16061303 - 04/08/12 04:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

And hell if it's just a penny then I'll pay cause every baby that isn't born puts a smile on my face.  Less suffering in the world. :thumbup:

I'll pay a lot more if folk will voluntarily get sterilized.


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Re: Use Birth Control? You're FIRED, WHORE!!! [Re: Crystal G]
    #16061314 - 04/08/12 04:45 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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zappaisgod said:
I already expressed my doubt about public education.  My question stands.  By your definition what government function is NOT socialist?




That's my point. A lot of our government functions by very definition already ARE socialist. Therefore, I don't understand people who go around claiming socialism is bad. Remnants of it already exist in the US, and have proven to be immensely fruitful.
As per your usual you didn't answer a direct question.  Can you please attend?

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What drives them to drop coverage is to protect the other policy holders.  How can you still not get this?  It isn't the insurance company that pays.  It's the other policy holders




Yea, they care about those other policy holders until those policy holders become sick and start costing too much money :lol:

This is mind boggling.  Do you not understand that covering shit for you costs every other policy holder?  Insurance companies run on a incredibly thin margin

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If it's so fucking cheap just fucking buy it.  I see absolutely zero reason why I should be paying it




You REALLY wouldn't pay a fucking PENNY so everybody can have access to birth control, thus SAVING you more money in the long run? How greedy can you possibly be that you wouldn't pay a stupid goddamn penny for women's healthcare. You wouldn't even give it a 2nd thought if you were to lose that penny.

How greedy are you that you think I should pay for your shit?  Buy your own shit.

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Why not?  If you actually owned them you would have a voice in how they operate.  Instead you choose to opt out.  Cheney?  Really?  What does that have to do with this to anyone except a hardcore commie moron?





LOL!!!!!! You mean, you don't even know about how Cheney's company Halliburton cost you, the taxpayer, an ASSLOAD of money through waste of incredibly expensive products? Why does it not surprise me, that conservatives completely approve of waste in the military sector.

If Halliburton, a unique companm that provides unique services, makes money what the fuck do I care?  Start your own Halliburton and get rich.


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I suggest to everyone that they read their contracts before they sign them and adhere scrupulously.




Whereas you likely can afford a lawyer that can translate legal texts, not everybody has the capacity to read exactly what's in the contract. In case you didn't know, many companies deliberately use difficult-to-read legal scripture, which can be difficult for those who have never gotten an education in law, philosophy, political theory, and other difficult-to-read texts.
Every insurance policy I have signed on to I have read.  At what point am I responsible for pandering to idiots, which I believe you have asserted I am in the population of?

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I won't but if I did I wouldn't whine.




Yea right, you would probably bitch up a storm. :rolleyes: Look at how much you're bitching up a storm just because you might actually have to pay A SINGLE PENNY to cover birth control.

There is a difference between what I voluntarily accept and what commie cunts try to cram down my neck.  Not one cent of tribute

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That would depend on what the contract says.




"Dropping coverage" implies that the insurance company terminates the contract with said person. Insurance companies that have "limits" end coverage for that year, and then resume the coverage for next year. "Dropping coverage" means that coverage ends PERMANENTLY.

The insurance company is under no obligation to provide anything other than what they are contractually obliged to provide.  Pay attention.  By the way, health insurance does not equal health care.
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LOL!!!!! It was RONALD REAGAN who closed the asylums in this country, not the “libruls” that you so claim :lol:  Is that why NY State closed their asylums?  Nope.  Your boyfriend has apparently pulled another fact out of his ass.  The courts forced it.




What the fuck does my boyfriend have anything to do with this? My knowledge of politics is based on my degrees and from reading texts, my boyfriend and I rarely talk politics with each other. :rolleyes: REAGAN was the one who closed insane asylums.



http://www.sociology.org/content/vol003.004/thomas.html

"When he became president he cut federal spending for mental hospitals and put that burden on the states, which he did by rescinding President Carter’s Mental Health Systems Act of 1980. Without federal funding mental hospitals closed throughout the nation and psychiatric wards in private hospitals grew. The result was big money for the private sector and mentally ill patients left without proper institutions and care."

Is your knowledge of politics based on the same thing as your knowledge of the female reproductive system?  Like I said, the courts closed the asylums.  Why was it the responsibility of the federal government to fund them?  The states' could have.  But they didn't. In NY it was because the courts demanded it.

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Yes I know.  That isn't what you said, is it?




I said pollution causes waste. Then, apparently, since you were lacking enough creativity to formulate a scenario in which it does, I exemplified one for you.

No, you didn't

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The second one said nothing and the first one talked only about self identified conservatives among adolescents.  The second one also had a strong element of atheism.  What are you gonna do with me, a conservative atheist?




It means the average conservative atheist is statistically not as intelligent as the average conservative liberal.

No, it doesn't

And no, you're not that smart, as I mentioned in my very last point below.

Yes we know.  I'll put my SATS up against yours any day. 

A nice way of putting extreme Republican/libertarian guys like you is to simply call you guys anarcho-capitalists.
Anarcho communists > anarcho capitalists.

Yesyesyes, labels are us

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Not a single one of them worked as hard as I did and my wife didn't have any employees.  Nice try.




And exactly how the hell did you make that much money if you weren't a job-creator? Did you do it through stocks? Owning an internet company?

I didn't create the jobs.  The market did.  The market all you commies are intent on destroying

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I didn't rip anybody off.  I paid them all exactly what I said I would.  None of it was minimum wage.  I got ripped off by a bunch of my employees, though.  It's actually an expected factor





Oh, so you DID have employees.

I did, she didn't.  Ken u reid?

Whatever. As long as you're paying them a decent and livable wage, I'm not going to complain about how you run your business.

Too bad you you didn't wait to rush to judgment

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Also, Obama is a CENTRIST. He’s not a “librul.” He’s made more deals with the partisanship than any of the past 10 presidents.

The most liberal Senator is now a centrist?




Most so-called "leftist" politicians are really more centrist than they are left. True leftists would run along the lines more of post-Marxism or extreme liberal democratism. That's why I can't help but laugh when people throw around the phrase "librul media." :lol:

This is the conundrum of the librul blinker.  No matter how commie they are they try to claim centrist label.  Here's the fact.  There are 100 Senators.  Barry was deemed the most liberal out of 100.  He isn't a fucking centrist.

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Because they don't cost $20 a pill.  It costs about $2.  Along with your ignorance about the female reproductive system you have added a complete ignorance of the male reproductive system.  Buy your own whore pills or get your MD boyfriend to but them for you (and several hundred others). 




1) Please explain what the fuck the reproductive system has to do with knowledge of brand name pharmaceutical costs. Apparently you don't know the difference between pharmaceutical knowledge and reproductive biological knowledge, yet you're claiming I don't have knowledge on reproduction. :rolleyes:

I know a liar when I see one  And I'm right about how much Viagra costs.  Also about how much the pill costs.  You, on the other hand....

2) Cialis, which is another erectile dysfunction pill, costs almost $20 per pill: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070412043842AA4o6ZB

So apparently it is YOU who shows overwhelming ignorance of the pills that males take.

Liar.  That's all I can say.  You're a liar.

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20 pill 100 mg
$ 38.00 $ 1.90

$ 34.00 $ 1.70


http://www.searchedmeds.com/

The highest price is 4.70


3) That's the 9th time you've said "buy your own whore pills." As I mentioned in the other thread, You keep saying "buy your own whore pills," as if you're actually making a clever statement. When you clearly ripped it off of my link from another author.
As I explained to you it is mockery.  I am throwing their own words back in their cunty faces.  Buy your own whore pills

What, you want me to pat you on the back or something? Because you're not clever at all. You didn't even make that shit up; you're a PLAGIARIST. Some liberal feminist journalist was the one who coined the phrase. So you can shut the fuck up already trying to act all witty by continually saying "buy your own whore pills." You're NOT remotely clever. And you've said it about 8 or 9 times already, so you're not only a copycat who steals other people's jokes, you milk it by saying the same stupid thing over and over again, trying to get a laugh out of people




It wasn't my stupid thing.  And get used to hearing it, because I'm going to use it every time you post more ignorant bullshit.  Like menopause at 40.


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Re: Use Birth Control? You're FIRED, WHORE!!! [Re: Crystal G]
    #16062330 - 04/08/12 09:17 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Well, I agree liberals have more intelligence than conservatives.  The problem is, they have a lot less common sense than conservatives and can't think for themselves--they need someone to tell them what they should do.

Also, Obama isn't a liberal.  he is a fascist.  he is a left-leaning fascist, bush was a right leaning fascist.  Read the definition of fascism in the Encyclopedia of Economics (online)


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Re: Use Birth Control? You're FIRED, WHORE!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #16063545 - 04/09/12 01:51 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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This is mind boggling.  Do you not understand that covering shit for you costs every other policy holder?  Insurance companies run on a incredibly thin margin




And as I mentioned, if birth control were covered, it would cost only in the hundreds of thousands, which would equate to less than a single penny per American to offset those costs.

So again, I ask, what's  the fucking problem?

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How greedy are you that you think I should pay for your shit?  Buy your own shit.




I don't rely on government benefits to get my way. However, I am still deeply concerned about the people who cannot afford this care. Which is why people like me donate their time and energy towards philanthropic organizations and charities, whereas people like you, lack the conscientiousness to do so. Ah, the pitfalls of American society. Just care about your own stupid self, and screw everybody else! IT'S THE AMERICAN WAY! :rolleyes:

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If Halliburton, a unique companm that provides unique services, makes money what the fuck do I care?  Start your own Halliburton and get rich.





LOL!!!! Because it's costing YOU, the TAXPAYER, an assload of money, that's why!!!

When Halliburton contracted with the military for the Iraq and Afghan War, they wasted a FUCKLOAD of resources. Company employees were ordering brand-new $80,000 Hummer limousines, Apple computers, $100,000 big rig trucks. They when they got them, they would find ONE tiny flaw in the equipment (such as the Apple computers not coming with webcams, or the Hummer limousines not coming with seat warmers, or the trucks coming with 8 wheels instead of 10), and instead of going ahead and using that perfectly usable, fine equipment, they went ahead and BURNED THEM!!!! LITERALLY!!! IN A FUCKING FIRE!!! THEN they ordered brand new ones!!!

And they deliberately wasted all that shit, because they KNEW that Uncle Sam's dime would pay for it all! Who gives a shit about saving fucking money when the taxpayers are going to cover all the costs anyway?!!

Funny how guys like you don't give a shit about the military outright abusing and wasting your money, yet when that very same amount of money would be used to pay for birth control, it becomes "That's MYYYY money, don't touch!"

And the only reason Halliburton even became the primary contractor for the 2 wars, is because Dick Cheney was CEO of Halliburton and still had a fuck-ton of shares in the company when he became VP. It was clearly a conflict of interests though, but you're the one on HIS side, right?

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There is a difference between what I voluntarily accept and what commie cunts try to cram down my neck.  Not one cent of tribute




I am a post-Marxist, not a communist. Get the difference right. Or do you not know the difference between the two? Post-Marxists are actually more capitalist than they are communist.

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Like I said, the courts closed the asylums.  Why was it the responsibility of the federal government to fund them?  The states' could have.  But they didn't. In NY it was because the courts demanded it.





If I recall, this is what you said:

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because liberal nitwits forced the closing of asylums all over the country.




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because liberal nitwits forced the closing of asylums all over the country.




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because liberal nitwits forced the closing of asylums all over the country.




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because liberal nitwits forced the closing of asylums all over the country.




To which I said, it wasn't the "libruls" that forced the closing of anything, it was Reagan who signed off on the bill that did exactly that. Please study up on your history.

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I didn't create the jobs.  The market did.  The market all you commies are intent on destroying




Just FYI, even in communist societies there is a market too. Simply not a money-based economic market. But a market surely does exist.

If you take a look at small societies that live based upon socialist and anarchist principles for example--the Amish and hippie communes--worker productivity is almost 100% in both these societies. The idea that people would only work for financial incentive is a myth that capitalists have created to purport the capitalization of their wealth.

And if you look at Spain before the Civil War in the 1930s, you will see many accounts of anarcho-communist cities, where production levels actually went UP in areas ran by anarchists.

Much like other conservatives who don't know anything about politics, I predict you're probably going to list North Korea and Cuba as examples of communism. :rolleyes: To which I would state, they are not, and have never been truly communist societies. They are dictatorships. In a truly communist society, there would be no single wealthy person hoarding everybody's wealth at the top.

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Too bad you you didn't wait to rush to judgment




Sorry, but people usually don't collect an exorbitant amount of wealth by dispensing fair wages and promoting equality. If they did, they wouldn't be in the top 1%.

But, since you emphasized that you are in the hundreds of thousands of dollars-type wealth, and not the tens of millions dollars range, I am more inclined to believe your story.

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Liar.  That's all I can say.  You're a liar.

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Can you not READ?!!!? That clearly says in the link "GENERIC viagra." GENERIC. Clearly I was talkin about BRAND NAMES. Viagra wasn't always generic, you know.

And, jesus, even if it IS $4 per pill now, that means that for every 30-day prescription it's $120. Which is at least 4 times more expensive than most birth control pills. Yet you're not all up in arms about having this covered, are you? :rolleyes:


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Re: Use Birth Control? You're FIRED, WHORE!!! [Re: Crystal G]
    #16066808 - 04/09/12 09:19 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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zappaisgod said:
This is mind boggling.  Do you not understand that covering shit for you costs every other policy holder?  Insurance companies run on a incredibly thin margin




And as I mentioned, if birth control were covered, it would cost only in the hundreds of thousands, which would equate to less than a single penny per American to offset those costs.

So again, I ask, what's  the fucking problem?


  What kind of slow is happening here.  Buy your own shit and get the fuck out of my wallet.
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How greedy are you that you think I should pay for your shit?  Buy your own shit.




I don't rely on government benefits to get my way. However, I am still deeply concerned about the people who cannot afford this care. Which is why people like me donate their time and energy towards philanthropic organizations and charities, whereas people like you, lack the conscientiousness to do so. Ah, the pitfalls of American society. Just care about your own stupid self, and screw everybody else! IT'S THE AMERICAN WAY! :rolleyes:




My own stupid self?  Really, buy your own shit.  I'm sick of paying for everything every liberal jackass wants.  You aint paying




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If Halliburton, a unique company that provides unique services, makes money what the fuck do I care?  Start your own Halliburton and get rich.
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LOL!!!! Because it's costing YOU, the TAXPAYER, an assload of money, that's why!!!


They actually do something for their money
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When Halliburton contracted with the military for the Iraq and Afghan War, they wasted a FUCKLOAD of resources. Company employees were ordering brand-new $80,000 Hummer limousines, Apple computers, $100,000 big rig trucks. They when they got them, they would find ONE tiny flaw in the equipment (such as the Apple computers not coming with webcams, or the Hummer limousines not coming with seat warmers, or the trucks coming with 8 wheels instead of 10), and instead of going ahead and using that perfectly usable, fine equipment, they went ahead and BURNED THEM!!!! LITERALLY!!! IN A FUCKING FIRE!!! THEN they ordered brand new ones!!!

And they deliberately wasted all that shit, because they KNEW that Uncle Sam's dime would pay for it all! Who gives a shit about saving fucking money when the taxpayers are going to cover all the costs anyway?!!

Funny how guys like you don't give a shit about the military outright abusing and wasting your money, yet when that very same amount of money would be used to pay for birth control, it becomes "That's MYYYY money, don't touch!"




I suggest you have a problem with government procurement agencies.  And yet you want government in charge of more?:flowstone:

And I do care about military waste.  Non sequitur, on your part.  Halliburton's miuse of taxpayer funds is irrelevant to your misuse of taxpayer funds.
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And the only reason Halliburton even became the primary contractor for the 2 wars, is because Dick Cheney was CEO of Halliburton and still had a fuck-ton of shares in the company when he became VP. It was clearly a conflict of interests though, but you're the one on HIS side, right?

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There is a difference between what I voluntarily accept and what commie cunts try to cram down my neck.  Not one cent of tribute




I am a post-Marxist, not a communist. Get the difference right. Or do you not know the difference between the two? Post-Marxists are actually more capitalist than they are communist.:facepalm:

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Like I said, the courts closed the asylums.  Why was it the responsibility of the federal government to fund them?  The states' could have.  But they didn't. In NY it was because the courts demanded it.





If I recall, this is what you said:

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because liberal nitwits forced the closing of asylums all over the country.






To which I said, it wasn't the "libruls" that forced the closing of anything, it was Reagan who signed off on the bill that did exactly that. Please study up on your history.




False.  AllReagan did was end federal funding for asylums.  Why do you think the federal government is and must be the source of all funding?
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I didn't create the jobs.  The market did.  The market all you commies are intent on destroying




Just FYI, even in communist societies there is a market too. Simply not a money-based economic market. But a market surely does exist.




Yes, a market in political connectedness.
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If you take a look at small societies that live based upon socialist and anarchist principles for example--the Amish and hippie communes--worker productivity is almost 100% in both these societies. The idea that people would only work for financial incentive is a myth that capitalists have created to purport the capitalization of their wealth.

And if you look at Spain before the Civil War in the 1930s, you will see many accounts of anarcho-communist cities, where production levels actually went UP in areas ran by anarchists.:facepalm:

Much like other conservatives who don't know anything about politics, I predict you're probably going to list North Korea and Cuba as examples of communism. :rolleyes: To which I would state, they are not, and have never been truly communist societies. They are dictatorships. In a truly communist society, there would be no single wealthy person hoarding everybody's wealth at the top.




Here is always the last refuge of the commie defender.  That there has never been a truly communist state. 
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Too bad you you didn't wait to rush to judgment




Sorry, but people usually don't collect an exorbitant amount of wealth by dispensing fair wages and promoting equality. If they did, they wouldn't be in the top 1%.

But, since you emphasized that you are in the hundreds of thousands of dollars-type wealth, and not the tens of millions dollars range, I am more inclined to believe your story.




It took us over 20 years to get there.  This is what children don't understand.  You have to work your way there.  It takes time.  I didn't make shit when I was your age. ( well, not quite but I think you might get the point)

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Liar.  That's all I can say.  You're a liar.

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Can you not READ?!!!? That clearly says in the link "GENERIC viagra." GENERIC. Clearly I was talkin about BRAND NAMES. Viagra wasn't always generic, you know.[/quote0  You got a problem with generics?
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And, jesus, even if it IS $4 per pill now, that means that for every 30-day prescription it's $120. Which is at least 4 times more expensive than most birth control pills. Yet you're not all up in arms about having this covered, are you? :rolleyes:


No I am not.  It shouldn't be covered at all.  I think I said that.


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    #16067225 - 04/09/12 10:23 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

"If you take a look at small societies that live based upon socialist and anarchist principles for example--the Amish and hippie communes--worker productivity is almost 100% in both these societies"

Obviously whoever wrote this didn't ever experience the hippy movement.  It died somewhere around 1968, 1969, because of all the leaches that infiltrated it for the sole purpose of fucking and getting free drugs. 

Read the "Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" by Tom Wolfe he clearly states this in the book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electric_Kool-Aid_Acid_Test

Also how is a movement that forces everyone in their establisment (Amish) to adhere to a certain religion rigorously and altruistic society?  Its just a cult.


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    #16067343 - 04/09/12 10:46 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The nonsense never ends.  BY your rationale if the state pays for anything it isn't socialist to pay for everything.  Which is, of course, incredibly stupid.  There are legitimate functions of government, like security, that are common to all governments.  As far as public education goes they have clearly botched it and I don't think the federal government should have anything to do with it at all.




Let me explain to you how it is socialist in terms even you can understand.

Public taxes pay for a particular service or property, which the government then owns and dispenses to the public. What part of that isn’t “socialist?” And please explain to me exactly why state-funded healthcare would be considered “socialist,” whereas public parks and schools are apparently not socialist.

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My premiums would be less than half.  The profit margin for health insurance companies is around 5%.  In other words, peanuts.




BULLLLLLLLLLLL SHIT. Insurance companies rank #86 for industries ranked by amount of profit margin out of 215 listed industries.

Second, even IF what you were saying is true, that only proves that profit motive is what drives efficiency, thus what drives insurance companies to hastily drop coverage for any type of sick person possible.

Seriously, coverage for birth control for women would cost MAYBE in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. THAT AVERAGES OUT TO LESS THAN A FUCKING PENNY PER PERSON. You’re ACTUALLY saying you don’t want to shell out a PENNY so that women can have better access to birth control and abortions, thus SAVING YOU a fuckload of money in the long run? Apparently you don’t have a very good concept of finance, if you wouldn’t invest a single penny to save more money in the future.

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If you think they're getting so rich why don't you buy stock in health insurance companies?  As far as I know they are pretty much all publicly traded.  Be a mogul, you're such an astute analyst.




I bought stocks in 1 medical company that built heart surgery machines; I would never ever buy stock in companies that deliberately take advantage of people such as health insurance agencies. Jesus, just because Saddam Hussein and Dick Cheney offers stocks and bonds (*cough* Halliburton *cough*) for their companies doesn’t mean I want any part of it.

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Gee, he didn't pay his fucking bill, did he? 




You KNOW those 2 cents doesn’t even make an ass of difference, the insurance companies don’t give a rat’s ass about those 2 cents, and they just wanted any fucking reason to drop his ass. Are you REALLY saying that that’s okay, that they can enforce the rules so strictly that it pretty much disallows any imperfect human from continuing treatment. It’s the same reason people have gotten dropped for failing to list their preexisting conditions, even minor ones such as ACNE.

This is an outright ABUSE of the medical healthcare system and YOU KNOW IT.

I hope one day you “accidentally forget” to pay your bill by 2 cents, and then realize the sheer audacity of your statements later on.

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Most insurance coverage has limits.  It's spelled out in the fucking contract when you sign it.




That’s not any reason to DROP COVERAGE, that simply means they stop paying for the bill for that year, and then they are supposed to resume coverage the next year after that.

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Do you know why that costs so much?  because liberal nitwits forced the closing of asylums all over the country.  Put the loons back in the bin and it will be a lot cheaper.




LOL!!!!! It was RONALD REAGAN who closed the asylums in this country, not the “libruls” that you so claim :lol:

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Of course you are too wrapped up in your bullshit to know that housing prices have fallen precipitously in the last three years.  Do you live under a rock?




You mean, the housing prices that fell because the bubble burst during the recession? :rolleyes:

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Pollution does not equal waste.  Either make a case that it does or not.




Think about the long-term. In China, in areas where the pollution is so dense, many people have consequently gotten birth defects from the radiation and pollution poisoning. This costs society greatly in medical services and unemployment (if the birth defects are severe enough). Howcome conservatives never use their imagination and creativity to think about the bigger picture?

Liberals have higher IQ’s than conservatives: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100224132655.htm

Conservatives are more prone to making errors, and have larger fear centers in the brain. Which explains why Republicans are much like meth addicts, they are always going on about imaginary problems :lol: http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-sci-politics10sep10,0,2687256.story

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I am not middle class blue collar.  We are well into the 1% and I am fucking sick of paying for more and more bullshit for everybody else.




In other words, you make tens of millions of dollars, yet YOU PAY SIGNIFICANTLY LESS TAX (percentage-wise) THAN THE REST OF US HARD-WORKING, MIDDLE-CLASS AMERICANS. You top 1% pay some of the lowest taxes right after the bottom 40%. And you’re COMPLAINING?!?!!?! How GREEDY are you!

“We” are in the top 1%--lemme guess, you’re a trust fund baby living off your daddy’s paycheck. You yourself are probably unemployed, but have had the opportunity of living in the lap of luxury since birth. You yourself probably came from a rich family, and are simply wealthy because of the opportunities and wealth you have been given, and have earned awards not based on achievements, but on entitlement and luck. So you simply got LUCKY enough to afford medical care.

It’s so funny, because I am certain if your parents died, and decided not to leave you any money in their wills, it would be YOU who would be the entitled one, screaming, “Wahhh wahhh, that money was supposed to be MINE!!!!!”

Well, let me tell you something. You and your family would be worth NOTHING if it wasn’t for all those hard workers you employed that helped to build YOUR company, to make YOU rich.

If you were TRULY about implementing a fair wage, you would have paid your workers a fair wage that actually meets the standard of living, as opposed to minimum wage. (In case you haven’t noticed, minimum wage hasn’t met the standard of living for decades now.)

But no, guys like you are only about “profit maximization.” So you underpay your workers all so YOU can make that extra buck. In other words, the only reason you are “rich” is because you UNDERPAY your workers and make money by skimming off the top. Exactly like what a GREEDY PERSON would do.

In other words… You WOULDN’T BE IN THE TOP 1%, if it weren’t for the fact that you deliberately ripped off plenty of your workers from having a good standard of living.

Fuck, this makes me so glad I joined the Occupy movement after seeing exactly what people like you are like. “People”… and that’s putting it nicely.

Karl Marx > You.



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Look, it doesn't matter one wit if the rich are greedy bastards or stingy. It's their money.  I'm not rich like Zappa so I care even more that people who don't take responsibility for themselves demand that I do it for them.




You know, if you were to ever get sick, and then get dropped from a health insurance company, I highly doubt you could ever pay out of pocket to treat yourself. The people you are siding with are not on YOUR SIDE, you are EXPENDABLE to them.

Also, Obama is a CENTRIST. He’s not a “librul.” He’s made more deals with the partisanship than any of the past 10 presidents.


starfire: there was a very famous Korean actress that was charged for adultery. She was originally going to 2 years for it, but got out of jail, probably because she's famous. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/south-korean-actress-avoids-jail-for-adultery-1201679.html

Exactly, AFAIK many insurance companies already pay for Viagra, which is an expensive, expensive brand-name (each pill costs at least $20). Howcome nobody is up in arm over that?!!?




dude you are right completely. When people want to be right, they will never be wrong. Hitler could put a gun to your head and make you say the colors of the flag are red white and yellow. What can you do?

socialist? It's very hard to say just because rich get richer and poor get poorer that we live by socialist standards. Democracy? Farthest from it. How about fascist? Well I don't we are nitpicking here aren't we...

this country blows and sucks, a rich guy gets it all, and everyone else gets much more.......... compared to India, Vietnam, and Africa. Now who ISN'T poor compared to those countries? Of course we seem rich compared to them. What does our GDP look like compared to Australia though?

I should have clarified that better. I always get tired of typing or something, then only explain things about half way what I could. Fucking a sucks re reading what I say...


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It's like the trick to human problems is to be even more human. Not less human but as human as possible, only understanding human nature.

Understanding subtleties is hard. What is subtle? Subtle is powerful. Atoms are subtle. Atoms make up everything we are. Understanding subtleties is one of the hardest parts of life.


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Re: Use Birth Control? You're FIRED, WHORE!!! [Re: starfire_xes]
    #16067672 - 04/10/12 12:07 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Obviously whoever wrote this didn't ever experience the hippy movement.  It died somewhere around 1968, 1969, because of all the leaches that infiltrated it for the sole purpose of fucking and getting free drugs. 




The MOVEMENT may have died around them, but there are several hippie communes, poly communes, nudist colonies, and organic farming communities that still exist way out in the boondocks, that operate very much like a communist society. Everybody does their own share of the work and everybody eats. Nobody sits around all day doing nothing. I am surprised you didn't know that.

If you don't like the beliefs of the Amish, you simply move on to a different collective group that adheres to your beliefs. Nobody's forcing you to believe anything.

And zappa I'm not going to respond to any more one-line non-sequiturs anymore, but there is one thing I wanted to respond to:

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False.  AllReagan did was end federal funding for asylums.  Why do you think the federal government is and must be the source of all funding?




Ummmm, the closing of the asylums is the secondary byproduct that resulted because of the end of funding for asylums. Naturally, once asylums lacked the funding, they could no longer afford to continue operating, and forced themselves to close.

Read the "Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" by Tom Wolfe he clearly states this in the book.


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