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What is an AWAKENED mind?
    #16035819 - 04/02/12 08:48 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I really like the ideas of this OBE traveler I came across named Jurgen. Here is an excerpt taken from his website:

What is an AWAKENED mind?

The term Awakening has been widely used lately to describe the phenomenon of a spontaneous change of consciousness. Awakening can be described as a realisation that there is a higher dimension of reality which is rooted in a universal consciousness of unity. Such a realisation is inevitably accompanied with a heightened positive emotional state, invoking feelings of joy, connectedness, outpouring of love and frequently intense ecstasy. It often has a lasting effect on the life of the experiencer, but it can also take a lifetime to integrate such an experience into our everyday lives. There can be a number of triggers for STEs or for such sudden change in consciousness to occur, such as a near-death experiences, drugs, shock, trauma, intense appreciation of beauty or involuntary or intentional raising of the Kundalini energy, which can be the result of a prolonged meditation. A spiritual awakening often has a lasting and transforming effect on one's life.

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Barbara E. had the fallowing STE after suddenly falling sick:

”Next thing I knew I was aware of hurtling through a tunnel. Then I was situated in the midst of a startling, seemingly alive, white...white light. Still feeling a bit stunned and confused I wondered "where am I, what is going on?" Then it hit me. I thought to myself "oh shoot (not exactly the word, if you get my drift), I must be dead!" 

Almost simultaneous with that realization, it seemed as if the light penetrated throughout me and I felt the most magnificent warmth and peace and acceptance imaginable. I felt awe, loved and cradled. It was clear that the light loved me so completely, knew me through and through, had no hesitance in accepting my foibles and weaknesses, and felt quite a bit of humor about how seriously I took myself and my life. 

As I settled into the love without condition, I realized more and more how utterly and absolutely intelligent light was. The sheer level of creativity and intellect was emotionally and psychologically beyond comprehension. I knew that because light was telepathically melded with me, allowing me to sense at least a minute degree of what was contained within. 

There was so much thought and information that it felt as if zillions of scrolls of data about the true nature of reality just kept unraveling. I was lost and overwhelmed and had no comprehension of what it all meant. Yet the central message came through loud and clear. Reality is SO much larger, multi-layered and multi-dimensional than we realize. Consciousness is able to experience so much more than what we commonly practice. Everything has purpose and meaning.” (Source: http://www.nderf.org)




The problem we are faced with in our western culture is that such an experience appears to conflict dramatically with our materialistic life style and many people can feel left out of place and disconnected in a world which is founded largely on materialistic values. As an experience predominantly featuring universal unity and love STEs frequently turn our values upside down. Values which are experienced as lying at the heart of a cosmic order and appear to be set in stark contrast to a society which is geared towards ego gratification and largely focused on materialistic achievements.

Unless our waking experience is integrated into our lives it will not serve us. We should consider such an experience as a starting point for transformation, not as an end in itself. This involves attuning ourselves to the higher state of consciousness and integrating it into our everyday lives. In most cases this transformation is gradual, but when the integration is achieved a complete transformation of our existence here on earth takes place, affecting every aspect of our psychological and individual makeup.

People who have accomplished such integration are often referred to as “enlightened”. An enlightened or illuminated mindset is nothing contrived and it should be regarded as our natural human state not anything that is the preserve of a spiritual elite. All it means is that we are rooted in reality, liberated from the illusions of our lower mind and ego identifications and that our awareness stretches far beyond the physical consensus reality. Ideally this is a mindset which should form the bases of our humanity condition not the exception. After all, society’s most cherished values spring from this, such as liberty, tolerance, compassion, unconditional love, truth, honesty, authenticity, empathy, integrity, respect and so on.

Once this our natural condition has been restored we can clearly see how anything else may appear like an aberration, a mental or emotional abnormality which is the cause of untold suffering and conflict. Our new state of consciousness, will provide us with unlimited freedom, the expansion of our full human potential and a much more fulfilling life in every respect. Even prison walls will not dent our inner liberation felt. It will return us to our authentic selves and open up new horizons in a way we simply could never have dreamt of before. This change in the quality to our lives is revolutionary. It is like stepping out of a paddle boat into a yacht and navigating the seas using the wind rather then depleting our strength by rowing.

Continue reading article: http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/What_is_an_awakened_mind_like.html



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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: c0sm0nautt] * 1
    #16035855 - 04/02/12 08:53 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Here's a keen excerpt:

When awakening has become the status quo for our everyday lives our minds no longer feel inclined to rely on mental constructs or different fashions of belief, the old and the new religions such as “Cosmos Ordering”, “Manifesting”, “Positive Thinking”, “Ascension”, “2012”. Adhering to theories or beliefs only show our neediness, our craving for salvation and to bolster thin hopes that the world will be OK one day. An awakened mind will already perceive itself as saved, our world is already OK, so what would be the need for a theology, a theory or a dogma of how to get there?  For awakened individuals these are no more than Red Herrings and a distraction of our attention from the awareness of the greater reality we are experiencing right now. Although people may derive inspiration, moral codes and even wisdom and from their religious texts, it is a second hand experience. When we are awakened we experience inspiration and wisdom first hand and our moral code is intuitive and pure because we can do nothing else but act with integrity.

Key characteristic of an awakened consciousness.

    • Attention is focused on the present moment.

    • Enhanced sense of reality and increased discriminatory powers.

    • Persistent feeling of being “Home”, regardless of where we are.

    • Enhanced aesthetic appreciation

    • Spontaneous peak experiences in
    everyday life

    • Enhanced empathy with fellow men

    • Nonjudgemental attitude.

    • Increased creativity and joy in engagements which benefit others.

    • Awareness of a benevolent presence, which may be referred to as “God”, “Higher Self”, “Guide”, “Guardian Angel” or simply the presence of a universal consciousness.

    • No fear of death.

    • Detachment from conflicts and enhanced modes of dealing with them.

    • Dreams are more coherent and often lucid

    • Lack of attachment

    •  A feeling of Sovereignty over ones life and destiny

    • Indifference towards roles in society, such as status, acclaim, fame, position, wealth etc

    • Authentic, accessible, benevolent, empathic, sense of humour, tolerant, perceptive, wise

    • Purposeful and rewarding relationships without attachments or dependency

    • Perception that every moment is new. Reality is not seen as repetition even though apparent repetitive events occur.

    • Disinterest in psychic abilities although they may arise

    • Disinterest in following a “spiritual” path

    • Regarding dream life as important as  waking life and visa versa.

    • Modest and content with the ordinary

    • Impartial, detached, peaceful, objective

    • Ability to adapt and experience any viewpoint from the viewers perspective.

    • Not considering themselves as enlightened



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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #16036144 - 04/02/12 10:04 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

That's quite a list of things. I can say that there are times in my life where I possessed a number of those qualities and times where I didn't. I don't think being awakened is like getting a degree, where once you qualify it's yours for life. I think you will always have natural human instincts that pull you downwards and therefore being awakened is more of a constant process than a state.

I'm willing to change my opinion if any awakened person disagrees, though.


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: viktor]
    #16036159 - 04/02/12 10:06 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Myself and Jurgen would agree - it's a never ended evolution.


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #16036203 - 04/02/12 10:14 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, and I find that frustrating. I like to move forwards. Often I miss an entire night's sleep and I can feel the next day that I am more bestial: I am less tolerant, more angry, more aggressive, selfish and can't see the big picture.


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: viktor]
    #16036248 - 04/02/12 10:24 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Aye. I've yet to find the remedy to negative emotions, but it helps to realize their impermanence when your within them. There are good days and bad days.


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #16036666 - 04/03/12 12:11 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Negative emotions are usually caused by giving too much of a fuck.


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: circastes]
    #16036838 - 04/03/12 01:19 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

no one to give a fuck, nothing to give a fuck for
there's still good days and bad days. that's ok!


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: cbub]
    #16036922 - 04/03/12 02:28 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Not to be ass kissing, but Icelander seems to be the most "awakened" here (whatever that means). He shakes off ideologies like a dog shakes fleas: no memetic devices, no beliefs, no assumptions, no bullshit. If we're to embrace all this emptiness talk, it makes more sense to drop everything instead of reaching for more glossy cover-ups.


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Jessica Swift]
    #16037013 - 04/03/12 03:46 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

agreed


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: circastes]
    #16037163 - 04/03/12 06:02 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Negative emotions are usually caused by giving too much of a fuck.




Yep, working on seeing life as a play, a drama. But I find myself getting lost in the drama at times - hard to break past habits which have such strong negative emotions linked to them.


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Jessica Swift] * 1
    #16037165 - 04/03/12 06:04 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Jessica Swift said:
If we're to embrace all this emptiness talk, it makes more sense to drop everything instead of reaching for more glossy cover-ups.




Agreed, but I don't consider these ideas glossy cover-ups. They are humble and humanized.


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #16037191 - 04/03/12 06:22 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

For myself, at the moment, if I try to refine certain trains of thought so that I'm a more integrated human being (ie. not disconnecting from unpleasantries in life but instead trying to understand them and find a path between them and pleasantries), I tend to get lost in them, or obsessed with the fiddliness of trying to wire my own brain. I often drop the whole thing and just let peace return, and more and more I am 'phasing out' (pretentious, eh?!) this mechanism which has served to form a stable identity written by none other than me, but which now I seem to put to work on totally random trains of thought that may be based on psychotic brain chemistry. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, it's okay, I don't think I really do either, but I guess I can summarise: there are tangents and distractions in thought whose removal results in a more constant/consistent awareness. Bad habits, like you say. Some of them, I theorise, lead all the way back to childhood impressions. ie. "they're all talking about me, time to panic" has a mature version, something like timidity, an adaptation.

etc.

What I am instead aiming for is the natural state, the state before I start messing around with things and invent 'me'. So far, any thought or idea at all is either a fun experiment or a hideous distraction. It seems spontaneous (thought-less) creativity is becoming my new best friend.


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    #16037197 - 04/03/12 06:25 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

It's funny how many mystics move to solitude to escape the drama...


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: cbub]
    #16037216 - 04/03/12 06:39 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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It's funny how many mystics move to solitude to escape the drama...




I've heard the only Zen you find on a mountaintop is the Zen you bring with you. :wink:

Finding peace in a busy urban center is difficult indeed, and is a good test to see how much bullshit I've deluded myself with. If the inner experience changes from rural India as I move to a traffic jam in LA, then it's an indication that external influences imprint the mind more than we readily admit.


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #16037236 - 04/03/12 06:52 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

c0sm0nautt said:
Here's a keen excerpt:

When awakening has become the status quo for our everyday lives our minds no longer feel inclined to rely on mental constructs or different fashions of belief, the old and the new religions such as “Cosmos Ordering”, “Manifesting”, “Positive Thinking”, “Ascension”, “2012”. Adhering to theories or beliefs only show our neediness, our craving for salvation and to bolster thin hopes that the world will be OK one day. An awakened mind will already perceive itself as saved, our world is already OK, so what would be the need for a theology, a theory or a dogma of how to get there?  For awakened individuals these are no more than Red Herrings and a distraction of our attention from the awareness of the greater reality we are experiencing right now. Although people may derive inspiration, moral codes and even wisdom and from their religious texts, it is a second hand experience. When we are awakened we experience inspiration and wisdom first hand and our moral code is intuitive and pure because we can do nothing else but act with integrity.

Key characteristic of an awakened consciousness.

    • Attention is focused on the present moment.

    • Enhanced sense of reality and increased discriminatory powers.

    • Persistent feeling of being “Home”, regardless of where we are.

    • Enhanced aesthetic appreciation

    • Spontaneous peak experiences in
    everyday life

    • Enhanced empathy with fellow men

    • Nonjudgemental attitude.

    • Increased creativity and joy in engagements which benefit others.

    • Awareness of a benevolent presence, which may be referred to as “God”, “Higher Self”, “Guide”, “Guardian Angel” or simply the presence of a universal consciousness.

    • No fear of death.

    • Detachment from conflicts and enhanced modes of dealing with them.

    • Dreams are more coherent and often lucid

    • Lack of attachment

    •  A feeling of Sovereignty over ones life and destiny

    • Indifference towards roles in society, such as status, acclaim, fame, position, wealth etc

    • Authentic, accessible, benevolent, empathic, sense of humour, tolerant, perceptive, wise

    • Purposeful and rewarding relationships without attachments or dependency

    • Perception that every moment is new. Reality is not seen as repetition even though apparent repetitive events occur.

    • Disinterest in psychic abilities although they may arise

    • Disinterest in following a “spiritual” path

    • Regarding dream life as important as  waking life and visa versa.

    • Modest and content with the ordinary

    • Impartial, detached, peaceful, objective

    • Ability to adapt and experience any viewpoint from the viewers perspective.

    • Not considering themselves as enlightened





I really have to disagree with all of this...over a decade ago, I went through what I considered an "awakening."  I felt many of these things initially...

Unfortunately, I discovered that it was as much of an illusion as my prior perception of reality...mostly created by chemicals made in my brain...

I don't deny that the experience taught me a lot...but it didn't leave me with any kind of objective "enlightenment"...It mostly just taught me how easy it is to replace one lie with another...and to question everything...


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Enlil]
    #16037325 - 04/03/12 07:50 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Edited by rikuni (03/15/14 05:08 AM)


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: cbub]
    #16037621 - 04/03/12 09:46 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

mystics move to solitude to absolve the negative actions of others.

it is a sacrifice for the good of all.


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    #16037632 - 04/03/12 09:49 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

you don't "know" icelander.

you have an idealized picture of him in your head that was constructed through you experiences with him over the internet.

this is not truly knowing this man.

you don't even know if he is a man, you know only what he has chosen you to "know".


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: desert father]
    #16037642 - 04/03/12 09:54 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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you don't "know" icelander.

you have an idealized picture of him in your head that was constructed through you experiences with him over the internet.

this is not truly knowing this man.

you don't even know if he is a man, you know only what he has chosen you to "know".




I think this same line of thinking can be pushed further to all of existence. For example, most people "know" the world through their preferred choice of news media, which often conflicts with other sources and have little basis in "reality."


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #16037690 - 04/03/12 10:08 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Not idolizing anyone, just recognizing the wisdom in this user's posts, regardless of gender.


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: c0sm0nautt] * 2
    #16037838 - 04/03/12 10:52 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Experience leads to understanding.

What is knowledge without any actual experience? 

Can you understand an Orange from pictures and descriptions?  Only people who have actually experienced an Orange firsthand can truly understand an Orange.


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Hidden Woods]
    #16037922 - 04/03/12 11:19 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

experience doesn't lead to understanding, experience is understanding.

knowledge is direct experience.  anything else is conjured.


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: desert father]
    #16037949 - 04/03/12 11:28 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

desert father said:
you don't "know" icelander.

you have an idealized picture of him in your head that was constructed through you experiences with him over the internet.

this is not truly knowing this man.

you don't even know if he is a man, you know only what he has chosen you to "know".




I acknowledge this.

He/she/it has done a good job.

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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #16038249 - 04/03/12 01:01 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I consider being "based" and having an awakened mind the same thing.  It means you know who you are beyond mind, in your heart and soul, and thus can watch the mind arise, do its/your thang, and dissolve too.

So an awakened mind means there are no limits to how deeply you can think, how often you can think, or even how confused and scatterbrained you can get. But it also means that due to your self knowledge you know that no particular thought fractal is who you really are, you have complete detachment from that.  To me, this is the pre-condition for freedom, not the attainment of it.

But you know what they say, psychedelic fella with a swagger is much more scarier :cool:


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: g00ru]
    #16038409 - 04/03/12 01:44 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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oojijimoo said:
So an awakened mind means there are no limits to how deeply you can think, how often you can think, or even how confused and scatterbrained you can get.




to say you know what an awakened mind means seems to imply or give the impression that you yourself have an awakened mind.  be careful with that.  the same goes with anyone giving the impression of knowing what an awakened mind means.  with all this "based" talk and idolizing gangster rappers, it's an obvious contradiction oojijimoo, though I'm sure you're just fucking around.  if not then wake up :lol:


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #16038633 - 04/03/12 02:23 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

An awakened mind is a mind trying to avoid falling asleep.


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #16038740 - 04/03/12 02:46 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not usually one to quote the dictionary but im going to now, from dictionary.com

a·wake   [uh-weyk]  verb, a·woke or a·waked, a·woke or a·waked or a·wo·ken, a·wak·ing, adjective

verb (used with object), verb (used without object)

1.
to wake up; rouse from sleep: I awoke at six with a feeling of dread.
2.
to rouse to action; become active: His flagging interest awoke.
3.
to come or bring to an awareness; become cognizant (often followed by to ): She awoke to the realities of life.


Can a man who is asleep in his bed dreaming, speculate sucessfully about what the waking state is?
He can speculate, but the only way to know is to awaken to that state himself

So the only way to know awakened mind is to do whatever it takes to awaken our own mind
Nobody can describe what its like when life awakens to life

The question 'what is an awakened mind?' is a good question to instigate the search for freedom
But any answer found in books, from word of mouth or any trusted source, including our own mind, must ultimately be rejected, in order to awaken our own mind


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: husmmoor]
    #16038768 - 04/03/12 02:54 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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An awakened mind is a mind trying to avoid falling asleep.




when you get up in the morning it can be hard to get out of bed as your waking up, you avoid sleep by opening your eyes & keeping them open
but after a stretch & some breakfast your fully awakened & you don't struggle to fend of sleep

awakening to truth is the same
a waking up mind is trying to avoid sleep, carrying out practice, trying to keep its eyes open
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    #16038789 - 04/03/12 02:59 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Chronic7]
    #16038844 - 04/03/12 03:13 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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An awakened mind is a mind trying to avoid falling asleep.




when you get up in the morning it can be hard to get out of bed as your waking up, you avoid sleep by opening your eyes & keeping them open
but after a stretch & some breakfast your fully awakened & you don't struggle to fend of sleep

awakening to truth is the same
a waking up mind is trying to avoid sleep, carrying out practice, trying to keep its eyes open
but an awakened mind makes no effort to stay awake



Your metaphorical comparison with regular physical sleep forgets that most people will get pretty damn tired after having been awake for just 12-15 hours. :smile:
Lots of people have some awakening experience... that doesn't mean they stay awake at all. Actually it often ends up making them more stupid and in deeper sleep than before. Contrary to this popular Western myth of enlightenment /awakening. Study Mahamudra or Dzogchen for more on this.


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: husmmoor]
    #16039049 - 04/03/12 03:59 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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husmmoor said:
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husmmoor said:
An awakened mind is a mind trying to avoid falling asleep.




when you get up in the morning it can be hard to get out of bed as your waking up, you avoid sleep by opening your eyes & keeping them open
but after a stretch & some breakfast your fully awakened & you don't struggle to fend of sleep

awakening to truth is the same
a waking up mind is trying to avoid sleep, carrying out practice, trying to keep its eyes open
but an awakened mind makes no effort to stay awake



Your metaphorical comparison with regular physical sleep forgets that most people will get pretty damn tired after having been awake for just 12-15 hours. :smile:
Lots of people have some awakening experience... that doesn't mean they stay awake at all. Actually it often ends up making them more stupid and in deeper sleep than before. Contrary to this popular Western myth of enlightenment /awakening. Study Mahamudra or Dzogchen for more on this.




This did cross my mind when posting it so i was still aware that people fall back into sleep in both cases :wink:
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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Chronic7]
    #16039061 - 04/03/12 04:01 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm not usually one to quote the dictionary but im going to now, from dictionary.com

a·wake   [uh-weyk]  verb, a·woke or a·waked, a·woke or a·waked or a·wo·ken, a·wak·ing, adjective

verb (used with object), verb (used without object)

1.
to wake up; rouse from sleep: I awoke at six with a feeling of dread.
2.
to rouse to action; become active: His flagging interest awoke.
3.
to come or bring to an awareness; become cognizant (often followed by to ): She awoke to the realities of life.


Can a man who is asleep in his bed dreaming, speculate sucessfully about what the waking state is?
He can speculate, but the only way to know is to awaken to that state himself

So the only way to know awakened mind is to do whatever it takes to awaken our own mind
Nobody can describe what its like when life awakens to life

The question 'what is an awakened mind?' is a good question to instigate the search for freedom
But any answer found in books, from word of mouth or any trusted source, including our own mind, must ultimately be rejected, in order to awaken our own mind




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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Jessica Swift]
    #16039072 - 04/03/12 04:03 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Not to be ass kissing, but Icelander seems to be the most "awakened" here (whatever that means). He shakes off ideologies like a dog shakes fleas: no memetic devices, no beliefs, no assumptions, no bullshit. If we're to embrace all this emptiness talk, it makes more sense to drop everything instead of reaching for more glossy cover-ups.




What this 'Icelander' you speak of?
Can an 'Icelander' really be awake? :penis:


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    #16039113 - 04/03/12 04:10 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

In order to awaken we have to shake of our own idealogy (not saying icelander hasn't)
Even the ideaology of having no ideaology should be shaken off
And even 'shaking off' should be left aside
And even the act of 'leaving aside' should be discarded


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    #16039130 - 04/03/12 04:13 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Chronic7]
    #16039155 - 04/03/12 04:18 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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In order to awaken we have to shake of our own idealogy (not saying icelander hasn't)
Even the ideaology of having no ideaology should be shaken off
And even 'shaking off' should be left aside
And even the act of 'leaving aside' should be discarded





what is an awakened mind other than what the ice man says is so?  haha shake that last drip off.  why does it burn?  ha ha


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    #16039250 - 04/03/12 04:38 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I'm highly suggestible so I just run with the latest ideology that I heard of. I'll be eating cornflakes for breakfast and someone will say something about eating toast, then I'll be eating toast on top of my cornflakes. Eating toast or cornflakes for breakfast is awful but I can't afford fresh fish. Everyone is constantly being manipulated/hypnotised by each other. The awakened mind would be one that is less affected by others suggestions and masters manipulating everyone else.


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    #16039260 - 04/03/12 04:41 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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The awakened mind would be one that is less affected by others suggestions and masters manipulating everyone else.




do you feel that if you were completely free of all influence, then you would seek control over anything at all?


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Chronic7]
    #16039297 - 04/03/12 04:50 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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In order to awaken we have to shake of our own idealogy (not saying icelander hasn't)
Even the ideaology of having no ideaology should be shaken off
And even 'shaking off' should be left aside
And even the act of 'leaving aside' should be discarded





:lol: i like this :thumbup:


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: deff]
    #16039305 - 04/03/12 04:52 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Hobozen]
    #16040615 - 04/03/12 09:20 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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So an awakened mind means there are no limits to how deeply you can think, how often you can think, or even how confused and scatterbrained you can get.




to say you know what an awakened mind means seems to imply or give the impression that you yourself have an awakened mind.  be careful with that.  the same goes with anyone giving the impression of knowing what an awakened mind means.  with all this "based" talk and idolizing gangster rappers, it's an obvious contradiction oojijimoo, though I'm sure you're just fucking around.  if not then wake up :lol:




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    #16041013 - 04/03/12 10:47 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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deff said:
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The Chronic said:
In order to awaken we have to shake of our own idealogy (not saying icelander hasn't)
Even the ideaology of having no ideaology should be shaken off
And even 'shaking off' should be left aside
And even the act of 'leaving aside' should be discarded





:lol: i like this :thumbup:




Me too. It reminds me of a process that has occurred to me on several psychedelic trips. You keep basically doing this with thoughts over and over again (with the duration in between them being shorter and shorter), almost like a circular spiral closing in on itself... 

During one trip on MDMA I referred to it as, "Spiraling into Infinity." I could feel this process that Chronic has described with thoughts... each one becomes shorter than the last until you're left with a stupor of thought and nothing but what you are feeling/observing right NOW. It's pretty trippy and rather cool.

Anyway, my two cents. Hope it helps. ^^;;

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    #16041679 - 04/04/12 04:17 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I think even the idea of being 'awakened' is an amorphous, and ever-changing idea. So I guess I agree with Chronic's mentioning that all concepts should be abandoned - though I'm not sure the brain is capable of awareness without embodying form. "Even emptiness is still form" as the mantra goes.


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Jessica Swift]
    #16043056 - 04/04/12 12:52 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

even if there is understanding that all concepts should be abandoned, there is still that subconscious devil within that holds onto those concepts (thoughts, belief system, self-image, self-importance).  the question is, how do we bring these subconscious processes into awareness.  simple daily meditation might not cut it in this world.  my guess is long ass retreats (10 days - 3 months) sitting 10+ hours a day where there's the possibility of self-image completely breaking down similar to a high dose psychedelic experience/ego loss.  that and high dosing/ego loss with psychedelics.  all of these combined with daily meditation would be my best bet.  though I don't believe psychedelics are necessary if the ego is able to break down during a retreat. 


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    #16043163 - 04/04/12 01:12 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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even if there is understanding that all concepts should be abandoned, there is still that subconscious devil within that holds onto those concepts (thoughts, belief system, self-image, self-importance).  the question is, how do we bring these subconscious processes into awareness.  simple daily meditation might not cut it in this world.  my guess is long ass retreats (10 days - 3 months) sitting 10+ hours a day where there's the possibility of self-image completely breaking down similar to a high dose psychedelic experience/ego loss.  that and high dosing/ego loss with psychedelics.  all of these combined with daily meditation would be my best bet.  though I don't believe psychedelics are necessary if the ego is able to break down during a retreat. 




retreats, psychedelics, time for meditation are all good, but its also good to remind yourself of what they are actually for
pretty much everyone that has awakened has said in some way 'you are it'

so we can comprehend that we have to abandon all concepts about what we are & just exist as whatever we are
but this kind of understanding has to be brought into the heart of awareness, ourself
understanding ourselves can't be learned only intellectually, its experiential like swimming
it has to be understanding

which means you always stand beyond whatever is being understood
just understanding the nature of what we are, by being that awareness, only now free from the tyranny of identity & belief in concepts

we can bring subconscious processes into our minds for a long long time, theres a lot of stuff in there
our only duty imo is to be self-aware

its not that we have to excorcise all subconscious activity one by one
only keep the attention as awareness over & over until your sense of being no longer feels touched by attention
the former is trimming a plant & having it grow back stronger, the latter is uprooting it
we can't pay attention to all these subconscious processes, well we can if we would like to pay a therapist at the same time

i still like retreats, psychedelics & meditation myself, but what are they for?

what are they for?

someone answer it please...


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    #16043294 - 04/04/12 01:39 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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we can't pay attention to all these subconscious processes, well we can if we would like to pay a therapist at the same time




hmm, you seem to have missed what I was saying to an extent and added some extra non relative stuff in there.

listen!

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what are they for?




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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Hobozen]
    #16043742 - 04/04/12 03:20 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I went to a 10 day vipassana retreat and it was pretty much a brainwash cult, it's an experience I wouldn't repeat. IMO violent practices like that make you desperate and attached to the idea that something else must be, which is far away from chilling out and allowing it all.


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    #16043833 - 04/04/12 03:39 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I've been to one as well, maybe it's different here because it definitely wasn't cult like.  There was no talking allowed until the last day.  It's was mostly quiet for 10 days with hardly any imposition of beliefs.  It could be seen as violent, or "destruction breeds creation".  Hard psychedelic experiences could be considered violent, and sometimes they are, but that sort of fierce breaking down of one's filters is necessary, for my own experience at least.


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    #16046144 - 04/05/12 12:58 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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we can't pay attention to all these subconscious processes, well we can if we would like to pay a therapist at the same time




hmm, you seem to have missed what I was saying to an extent

listen!





i didn't miss what you were saying

'there is still that subconscious devil within that holds onto those concepts (thoughts, belief system, self-image, self-importance).  the question is, how do we bring these subconscious processes into awareness.'

awakening is not bringing subconscious processes into awareness, its just being self-aware until those processes lose power
paying attention to them, being aware of them, gives them power

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and added some extra non relative stuff in there.




my reply wasn't just to you it was to the forum
ie don't take it personally

you say in your post it is your 'best bet', so you admit it is speculative... based in thoughts, belief, self-image
the very things you describe as the devil within us
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    #16047281 - 04/05/12 11:17 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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paying attention to them, being aware of them, gives them power




this isn't true in Vipassana practice.  for example when sitting for a long time, repressed emotions will surface into consciousness, and this is coming from the subconscious.  what's taught is to pay attention to the emotion until it fades, then it can be seen as an impermanent process of the body/mind.  my point was not to pay attention to the subconscious activity, as that is impossible IMO, but sort of like you said, "being self-aware until those processes lose power".  I think we're along similar lines.

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you say in your post it is your 'best bet', so you admit it is speculative... based in thoughts, belief, self-image
the very things you describe as the devil within us
and i agree




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    #16047435 - 04/05/12 11:52 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

:thumbup:

yeah, i think there is an intuitive aspect of consciousness that knows when to become aware of phenomena and when to not be... some things do need looking at in order to transcend them, but many things don't

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    #16047612 - 04/05/12 12:29 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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:thumbup:

yeah, i think there is an intuitive aspect of consciousness that knows when to become aware of phenomena and when to not be... some things do need looking at in order to transcend them, but many things don't




I'm not disagreeing here, just interested in what you have to say further on the matter.  When is it that this aspect of consciousness knows when not to be aware of phenomena?


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    #16047657 - 04/05/12 12:38 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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The Chronic said:
:thumbup:

yeah, i think there is an intuitive aspect of consciousness that knows when to become aware of phenomena and when to not be... some things do need looking at in order to transcend them, but many things don't




I'm not disagreeing here, just interested in what you have to say further on the matter.  When is it that this aspect of consciousness knows when not to be aware of phenomena?




Good question...

'When is it that this aspect of consciousness knows when not to be aware of phenomena?'

When through meditation, or contemplation, there is no longer anything seen as phenomena
When i say 'not aware of phenomena' i don't mean ignoring appearances, i mean not seeing them as separate from yourself
Like if you are aware of everything as yourself, then there is no such thing as 'phenomena' because no thing can be separate or outside what you are


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    #16047791 - 04/05/12 12:56 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

got ya.

which goes back to my original posts, where I stated the importance of the breakdown of one's filters, or ego loss in other words.  having the thought process fade into the moment, losing memory of the past, having the feeling of consciousness expanding out of the body.  this all has to do with what you just said.


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"They say there are black holes in existence.  If a star comes by chance to a black hole, it is pulled into it; there is no way to resist that pull, and to go into the black hole is to go into destruction.  We don't know what happens on the other side.  My idea, for which some physicist has to find evidence, is that the black hole on this side is a white hole on the other side.  The hole cannot be just one side; it is a tunnel.  I have experienced it in myself.  Perhaps on a bigger scale the same happens in the universe.  The star dies; as far as we can see, it disappears.  But every moment new stars are being born.  From where?  Where is their womb?  It is simple arithmetic that the black hole is just a womb--the old disappears into it and the new is born.

This I have experienced in myself--I am not a physicist.  That one year of tremendous pull drew me farther and farther away from people, so much so that I would not recognize my own mother, I might not recognize my own father; there were times I forgot my own name.  I tried hard, but there was no way to find what my name used to be.  Naturally, to everybody else during that one year I was mad.  But to me that madness became meditation, and the peak of that madness opened the door."


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"For one year I was in such a state that it was almost impossible to know what was happening.  For one year continuously it was even difficult to keep myself alive.  Just to keep myself alive was a very difficult thing--because all appetite disappeared.  Days would pass and I would not feel any hunger; days would pass and I would not feel any thirst.  I had to force myself to eat, force myself to drink.  The body was so nonexistential that I had to hurt myself to feel that I was still in the body.  I had to knock my head against the wall to feel whether my head was still there or not.  Only when it hurt would I be a little in the body. 

Every morning and every evening I would run for five to eight miles.  People used to think that I was mad.  Why was I running so much?  Sixteen miles a day!  It was just to feel myself, to feel that I still existed, not to lose contact with myself--just to wait until my eyes became attuned to the new that was happening.

And I had to keep myself close to myself.  I would not talk to anybody because everything had become so inconsistent that even to formulate one sentence was difficult.  In the middle of the sentence I would forget what I was saying.  In the middle of the road I would forget where I was going.  Then I would have to come back.  I would read a book--I would read fifty pages and then suddenly I would realize, "What am I reading? I don't remember at all."  My situation was such...

The door of the psychiatrist's office burst open and a man rushed in.  "Doctor!" he cried.  "You've got to help me.  I'm sure I'm losing my mind.  I can't remember anything---what happened a year ago, or even what happened yesterday.  I must be going crazy!"  "Hmm," pondered the shrink.  "Just when did you first become aware of this problem?"  The man looked puzzled.  "What problem?"

...

Now it was beyond me; it was happening.  I had done something; unknowingly I had knocked at the door, now the door had opened.  I had been meditating for many years, just sitting silently doing nothing, and by and by I started getting into that space where you are, and you are not doing anything; you are simply there, a presence, a watcher.

You are not even a watcher because you are not watching---you are just a presence.  Words are not adequate because whatsoever word is used, it seems as if it is being done.

No I was not doing it.  I was simply lying, sitting, walking--deep down there was no doer.  I had lost all ambition; there was no desire to be anybody, no desire to reach.  I was simply thrown into myself.  It was an emptiness, and emptiness drives one crazy.  But emptiness is the only door to God.  That means that only those who are ready to go mad ever attain, nobody else."



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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Hobozen]
    #16051064 - 04/06/12 12:57 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

i think my mind has been awakened since birth, now i have to learn how to truly harness it :bigblunt:


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    #16051133 - 04/06/12 01:18 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

If you want to realise the greatness inherent in life as it is on our planet at the moment, from nature to the metropolis, forget that you are awakened. Let the way your body moves in each joyful stride and your smile and tone of voice show you're free... and let that be the end of it, don't say or think anything else on the topic, it will only make you a dogmatist.


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    #16051158 - 04/06/12 01:31 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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    #16051363 - 04/06/12 03:13 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I like it, but much of what he said also points out that there's nothing you can do about it, you either have that pull to go fully into it or that pull is not there yet... can you create a black hole in yourself?

'That means that only those who are ready to go mad ever attain, nobody else.'

This is in a way is very true :thumbup:
And this madness is really sanity, it is living as the ego which is really madness, but the contrast makes the absolute seem like madness

I imagine some that realize this egoless state without guidance end up laughing constantly & get thrown into mental asylums, because nobody else can see what they're laughing about, so they must be krazy


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Chronic7]
    #16051396 - 04/06/12 03:31 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Really everything is egoless
Seeing it does not exist is getting rid of it

All there ever was, was this


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: quinn]
    #16051576 - 04/06/12 06:06 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

it's from Autobiography of a Spiritually Incorrect Mystic

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I like it, but much of what he said also points out that there's nothing you can do about it, you either have that pull to go fully into it or that pull is not there yet... can you create a black hole in yourself?




:lol: I don't think so.  It's a fun analogy, as speculative as it is.


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    #16052003 - 04/06/12 09:39 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

You anti Autobiography of a Yogi? Lemme tell you man, you will only get so far if you're hung up on who is correct and who isn't, you gotta just take what works for you and move with that.


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: g00ru]
    #16053169 - 04/06/12 03:02 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

"if you cant see god in all, you cant see god at all"

Realizing your true nature and living in that awareness is how I would put it :smile:


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: g00ru]
    #16053314 - 04/06/12 03:42 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

of course.  we're just sharing perspectives here, I enjoyed the discussion.  it's just an experience, one that happens naturally with enough introspection.  there is nothing incorrect about that.  though my interpretation of it may be, and that's why I pointed out it's speculative.


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Hobozen]
    #16053324 - 04/06/12 03:47 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

i'm not speculating when i say, autobiography is the dope on dope smoke but dont choke on its the shit


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Hobozen]
    #16053331 - 04/06/12 03:48 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

In response to a question like the original one posted, there really arent any wrong answers.

Its one love :smile:


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: NARYA]
    #16055727 - 04/07/12 04:14 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

NARYA said:
"if you cant see god in all, you cant see god at all"

Realizing your true nature and living in that awareness is how I would put it :smile:




yeah i think its a good thing to ask oneself - am i really experiencing god?
a lot of people convince themselves they 'got it' when all they have caught is a whiff of That
keep yourself honest even if to admit your being lazy & not pushing your limits today


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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Chronic7]
    #16077072 - 04/11/12 07:25 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I think total isolation is the only way to avoid hypnotising others. The best one can do is use psychic self defence to avoid catching others negativity and infect others with positivity.


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