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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#16037690 - 04/03/12 10:08 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not idolizing anyone, just recognizing the wisdom in this user's posts, regardless of gender.
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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: c0sm0nautt] 2
#16037838 - 04/03/12 10:52 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Experience leads to understanding.
What is knowledge without any actual experience?
Can you understand an Orange from pictures and descriptions? Only people who have actually experienced an Orange firsthand can truly understand an Orange.
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desert father
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experience doesn't lead to understanding, experience is understanding.
knowledge is direct experience. anything else is conjured.
-------------------- vi veri veniversum vivus vici What she said : "I smoke 'cos I'm hoping for an Early death AND I NEED TO CLING TO SOMETHING !"
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desert father said: you don't "know" icelander.
you have an idealized picture of him in your head that was constructed through you experiences with him over the internet.
this is not truly knowing this man.
you don't even know if he is a man, you know only what he has chosen you to "know".
I acknowledge this.
He/she/it has done a good job.
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g00ru
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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#16038249 - 04/03/12 01:01 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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I consider being "based" and having an awakened mind the same thing. It means you know who you are beyond mind, in your heart and soul, and thus can watch the mind arise, do its/your thang, and dissolve too.
So an awakened mind means there are no limits to how deeply you can think, how often you can think, or even how confused and scatterbrained you can get. But it also means that due to your self knowledge you know that no particular thought fractal is who you really are, you have complete detachment from that. To me, this is the pre-condition for freedom, not the attainment of it.
But you know what they say, psychedelic fella with a swagger is much more scarier
-------------------- check out my music! drowse in prison and your waking will be but loss
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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: g00ru]
#16038409 - 04/03/12 01:44 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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oojijimoo said: So an awakened mind means there are no limits to how deeply you can think, how often you can think, or even how confused and scatterbrained you can get.
to say you know what an awakened mind means seems to imply or give the impression that you yourself have an awakened mind. be careful with that. the same goes with anyone giving the impression of knowing what an awakened mind means. with all this "based" talk and idolizing gangster rappers, it's an obvious contradiction oojijimoo, though I'm sure you're just fucking around. if not then wake up
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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#16038633 - 04/03/12 02:23 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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An awakened mind is a mind trying to avoid falling asleep.
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Chronic7
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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#16038740 - 04/03/12 02:46 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not usually one to quote the dictionary but im going to now, from dictionary.com
a·wake [uh-weyk] verb, a·woke or a·waked, a·woke or a·waked or a·wo·ken, a·wak·ing, adjective
verb (used with object), verb (used without object)
1. to wake up; rouse from sleep: I awoke at six with a feeling of dread. 2. to rouse to action; become active: His flagging interest awoke. 3. to come or bring to an awareness; become cognizant (often followed by to ): She awoke to the realities of life.
Can a man who is asleep in his bed dreaming, speculate sucessfully about what the waking state is? He can speculate, but the only way to know is to awaken to that state himself
So the only way to know awakened mind is to do whatever it takes to awaken our own mind Nobody can describe what its like when life awakens to life
The question 'what is an awakened mind?' is a good question to instigate the search for freedom But any answer found in books, from word of mouth or any trusted source, including our own mind, must ultimately be rejected, in order to awaken our own mind
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Chronic7
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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: husmmoor]
#16038768 - 04/03/12 02:54 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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husmmoor said: An awakened mind is a mind trying to avoid falling asleep.
when you get up in the morning it can be hard to get out of bed as your waking up, you avoid sleep by opening your eyes & keeping them open but after a stretch & some breakfast your fully awakened & you don't struggle to fend of sleep
awakening to truth is the same a waking up mind is trying to avoid sleep, carrying out practice, trying to keep its eyes open but an awakened mind makes no effort to stay awake
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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Chronic7]
#16038769 - 04/03/12 02:55 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Chronic7
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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Hobozen]
#16038789 - 04/03/12 02:59 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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husmmoor
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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Chronic7]
#16038844 - 04/03/12 03:13 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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The Chronic said:
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husmmoor said: An awakened mind is a mind trying to avoid falling asleep.
when you get up in the morning it can be hard to get out of bed as your waking up, you avoid sleep by opening your eyes & keeping them open but after a stretch & some breakfast your fully awakened & you don't struggle to fend of sleep
awakening to truth is the same a waking up mind is trying to avoid sleep, carrying out practice, trying to keep its eyes open but an awakened mind makes no effort to stay awake
Your metaphorical comparison with regular physical sleep forgets that most people will get pretty damn tired after having been awake for just 12-15 hours.  Lots of people have some awakening experience... that doesn't mean they stay awake at all. Actually it often ends up making them more stupid and in deeper sleep than before. Contrary to this popular Western myth of enlightenment /awakening. Study Mahamudra or Dzogchen for more on this.
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Chronic7
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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: husmmoor]
#16039049 - 04/03/12 03:59 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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husmmoor said:
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The Chronic said:
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husmmoor said: An awakened mind is a mind trying to avoid falling asleep.
when you get up in the morning it can be hard to get out of bed as your waking up, you avoid sleep by opening your eyes & keeping them open but after a stretch & some breakfast your fully awakened & you don't struggle to fend of sleep
awakening to truth is the same a waking up mind is trying to avoid sleep, carrying out practice, trying to keep its eyes open but an awakened mind makes no effort to stay awake
Your metaphorical comparison with regular physical sleep forgets that most people will get pretty damn tired after having been awake for just 12-15 hours.  Lots of people have some awakening experience... that doesn't mean they stay awake at all. Actually it often ends up making them more stupid and in deeper sleep than before. Contrary to this popular Western myth of enlightenment /awakening. Study Mahamudra or Dzogchen for more on this.
This did cross my mind when posting it so i was still aware that people fall back into sleep in both cases  Metaphors are never precise
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White Beard

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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Chronic7]
#16039061 - 04/03/12 04:01 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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The Chronic said: I'm not usually one to quote the dictionary but im going to now, from dictionary.com
a·wake [uh-weyk] verb, a·woke or a·waked, a·woke or a·waked or a·wo·ken, a·wak·ing, adjective
verb (used with object), verb (used without object)
1. to wake up; rouse from sleep: I awoke at six with a feeling of dread. 2. to rouse to action; become active: His flagging interest awoke. 3. to come or bring to an awareness; become cognizant (often followed by to ): She awoke to the realities of life.
Can a man who is asleep in his bed dreaming, speculate sucessfully about what the waking state is? He can speculate, but the only way to know is to awaken to that state himself
So the only way to know awakened mind is to do whatever it takes to awaken our own mind Nobody can describe what its like when life awakens to life
The question 'what is an awakened mind?' is a good question to instigate the search for freedom But any answer found in books, from word of mouth or any trusted source, including our own mind, must ultimately be rejected, in order to awaken our own mind
 Can't talk about the Tao, yo.
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White Beard

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Jessica Swift said: Not to be ass kissing, but Icelander seems to be the most "awakened" here (whatever that means). He shakes off ideologies like a dog shakes fleas: no memetic devices, no beliefs, no assumptions, no bullshit. If we're to embrace all this emptiness talk, it makes more sense to drop everything instead of reaching for more glossy cover-ups.
What this 'Icelander' you speak of? Can an 'Icelander' really be awake?
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Chronic7
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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: White Beard] 1
#16039113 - 04/03/12 04:10 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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In order to awaken we have to shake of our own idealogy (not saying icelander hasn't) Even the ideaology of having no ideaology should be shaken off And even 'shaking off' should be left aside And even the act of 'leaving aside' should be discarded
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White Beard

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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Chronic7]
#16039130 - 04/03/12 04:13 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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LunarEclipse
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Re: What is an AWAKENED mind? [Re: Chronic7]
#16039155 - 04/03/12 04:18 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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The Chronic said: In order to awaken we have to shake of our own idealogy (not saying icelander hasn't) Even the ideaology of having no ideaology should be shaken off And even 'shaking off' should be left aside And even the act of 'leaving aside' should be discarded
what is an awakened mind other than what the ice man says is so? haha shake that last drip off. why does it burn? ha ha
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I'm highly suggestible so I just run with the latest ideology that I heard of. I'll be eating cornflakes for breakfast and someone will say something about eating toast, then I'll be eating toast on top of my cornflakes. Eating toast or cornflakes for breakfast is awful but I can't afford fresh fish. Everyone is constantly being manipulated/hypnotised by each other. The awakened mind would be one that is less affected by others suggestions and masters manipulating everyone else.
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Chronic7
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The awakened mind would be one that is less affected by others suggestions and masters manipulating everyone else.
do you feel that if you were completely free of all influence, then you would seek control over anything at all?
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