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stop using bar oil! veggie oil works great in a chainsaw
#16032559 - 04/02/12 07:28 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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on a typical day a; a logger, a fire wood cutter, an arborist, or a chainsaw carver like my self, can dump up to a gallon of nasty bar oil directly on the ground every day, not to mention the saw operator gets splattered with about a quart. the bottle says carcinogenic and keep off of skin.
ok now i have been using corn oil or veggie oil in several saws for two years now. the only difference ive noticed is a tiny bit of chain wear and the oilier had to be readjusted.
stop polluting unnecessarily there is no need for bar oil and it should be outlawed or limited to mills that gather there waste.
on a average day maybe a hundred thousand gallons of bar oil hit the ground. i recall paul stamets making a spore oil....and the carb emissions control on new saws is a joke, a big joke,(burring more gas to compensate for the catalytic muffler), i mod all my saws now.
don't buy bar oil anymore especially recycled witch carries tons of heavy metals. during the life of a saw one may have to buy an additional chain due to lack of sling agent, yet the cost will be saved as veggie oil is cheaper.
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Re: stop using bar oil! veggie oil works great in a chainsaw [Re: trigger]
#16032564 - 04/02/12 07:30 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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oh when cutting the saw smells like french fries instead of a diesel truck under body.
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Re: stop using bar oil! veggie oil works great in a chainsaw [Re: trigger]
#16032665 - 04/02/12 08:12 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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nice I was planning on doing some saw work this spring using veggie oil and possibly sporulated oil, have you used spored oils? i'm guessing you turned the oiler down a bit? since the petro bar oil is way thicker at room temp, does it oil more when operating? how do you mod your saws? I used to work trails and we tried to get our foreman to let us use veggie oil but he always copped out wanting "studies" good topic man
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Re: stop using bar oil! veggie oil works great in a chainsaw [Re: gardenmind]
#16032743 - 04/02/12 08:47 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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with the veggie oils ive used they change thickness around 32f with my sthil's its a bit of a bother, but the husky ive got have an easy oilier adjustment. basically almost all the way on a hot day and three quarters back on a winter day.
as for spored oils, unless ther under ten bucks a gallon, i'd rather study and try to make my own, there is some for sale online at 35 a quart, yeah this should be changed, the spored oil should sell as a leading brand or at least something natural.
as for modding the basic version is to just double the intake and exhaust ports. the muffler an be taken off, screens removed and drill holes through the inner plates, doubling whats there, drill holes or bend fins to double the port on the muffler. leave the inside of muffler port where it attaches to the engine block alone. then remove the air filter, and drill holes to allow more access the filter, many times there are limitations on the dirty air before it hits the filter, some filters can be grinded on the inner diameter of the port. just allowing more air to pass through. make sure not to let dirty air into the carb. if the filter is a felt pad cut a tick tack toe board onto it, cutting only 1/3 of the way into the felt, it will work better and still filter well. the proper formula for the muffler ports,is to have muffler exhaust 2/3rds of the port size on the engine block. some will weld an additional port on using pipe. not nessery but sounds and looks better. as for the air filter allowing a max air flow is good.
modding a saw will extend its life and make it work better and stronger. limitations were applied as environmental controls and strict laws forbid professional service personnel to work on modded saws. the limitations cause heat and residue buildup, and causing the saw to use more gas, and bar oil, the saw's life is shortened and it will need replacing sooner, the actual waste of these limitations far exceeds the amount they filter. a proper running saw is economically proper. the current laws are a joke.
i will be running electric saws as much as possible and soon all of the time. Oregon power now 40v cordless saw looks fun, just awaiting a bigger version. and id carve any thing to get one just to save the environment as nothing will cut like a gasser!
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Re: stop using bar oil! veggie oil works great in a chainsaw [Re: trigger]
#16033133 - 04/02/12 10:55 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks for peeking my interest on the saw mod I'll have to look into that some more I don't think I'd buy any spored oils but I would try making them never hurts to try
thats cool you carve looks hard to me my carving consisted of notching and planing benches or bridges electric would be hard to use in the woods though
do you use saw dust for spawn? most I've seen use doug fir or larch and some pine to carve
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Re: stop using bar oil! veggie oil works great in a chainsaw [Re: trigger]
#16036874 - 04/03/12 01:48 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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wait. Your chopping down the environment to try to save the environment.
Can you please explain that?
I understand the health reasons behind bar oil but to save the environment while chopping it down?
Don't take me as being argumentative but that ending logic confuses me.
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Re: stop using bar oil! veggie oil works great in a chainsaw [Re: rackem]
#16037266 - 04/03/12 07:10 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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the trees i use are from forest management not over cutting. i buy oversize logs, ones that will go to the power plant as chips. Michigan is regaining its old growth status and will have a new old growth with in fifty years. here the forest management is ideal as it gets with humans in the states.
i guess that i am trying to reason here, using logs for art. well to me the logs represent the toilet paper, the writing paper, my electricity, my furniture, mo home, almost everything has something to do with a cut down tree. why did nature give us arms and rocks, for the same reason she gave us a brain witch created the chainsaw. we are meant to do destruction here, yet we all know we must try to keep things check.
as for the reason I don't use3 bar oil, is that the oil will directly contaminate my land, and my garden, i am using the wood scraps as garden material. after me comes the next generation, witch will enjoy the healthy land i left behind and the 150 trees i planted last week, 500 more to go this spring, oh and i killed 10,000 cedar saplings to make wreaths with last winter.... they were ones that grew back from when i killed 1,000 three years prior. iam not trying to justify my self, but me and nature got a deal, an understanding, one more tight than most others.
just remember humans are here to do damage, to wreck this place, with our mind keeping in mind the ballence, we wreck everything. that is our purpose and to argue that is to say you know more than nature or god, for world wide we wreck, its just what humans do.
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Re: stop using bar oil! veggie oil works great in a chainsaw [Re: trigger]
#16037976 - 04/03/12 11:35 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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understood. thanks.
have you tried running your vegetable oil ran chainsaw in a clean environment ie: not sawdust rich to see if it will run?
the reason i ask is the saw dust may be actually getting sucked into a oil motor being ran without a filter and may be actually causing the viscosity to raise a tad.
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Re: stop using bar oil! veggie oil works great in a chainsaw [Re: trigger]
#16044556 - 04/04/12 06:30 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Vegetable oils oxidizes and will harden, probably won't be a problem if your using your saw a lot, but if not and you're using vegetable oil, it should be cleaned out after each use.
Edit: did a search, cause I wasn't quite sure about all vegetable oils and it looks like peanut and cotton won't oxidize and harden.
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Re: stop using bar oil! veggie oil works great in a chainsaw [Re: rackem]
#16046512 - 04/05/12 05:46 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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rackem said: wait. Your chopping down the environment to try to save the environment.
Can you please explain that?
I understand the health reasons behind bar oil but to save the environment while chopping it down?
Don't take me as being argumentative but that ending logic confuses me.
if you want something to survive make people interested in it. You'll never hear potatoes or cows becoming an endangered species. Same with wood. Great material, looks beautiful and makes me happy.
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Re: stop using bar oil! veggie oil works great in a chainsaw [Re: Visionary Tools]
#16046883 - 04/05/12 09:02 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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a bit of mineral spirits can be added to the oil after every regular cleaning to remove build from oxidization, or a rinse prior to storage. on long bars 24 inches or more the veggie or peanut oil wont work, I attempted to slab a log with a 34'' and the bar gets to hot. I checked online and over 24 inch bars its not recommended to use veggie oil. any ideas on an oil that's not as nasty as bar oil that will make it down the tract on a 34?
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Re: stop using bar oil! veggie oil works great in a chainsaw [Re: trigger]
#16048592 - 04/05/12 03:31 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bacon grease, probably will, you'll have to clean it first,
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How to Clarify Bacon Grease (pork lard), Hamburger Grease (beef tallow), and Other Types of Used Cooking Grease, Oil, and Drippings
Measure the amount of used cooking grease (or used cooking oil) and put it into a cook pot. Add an equal amount of water to the cook pot. Measure another one-half the original amount of water and set it aside for later. Add one tablespoon of salt to the cook pot. Bring the mixture to a boil inside the pot. Turn off the heat. Then gradually pour the cold water you previously set aside into the hot mixture.
The mixture will begin to separate into three layers as follows: pure fat on top, fat mixed with impurities in the middle, and water on the bottom. Carefully ladle the top layer of pure fat into a clean container and save it for future use. Discard the bottom two layers. Label the container with the type of grease that it contains (pork lard, beef tallow, cooking oil, etc.)
from, http://www.grandpappy.info/wclarify.htm
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Re: stop using bar oil! veggie oil works great in a chainsaw [Re: falcon]
#16052173 - 04/06/12 10:32 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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using logs for art. well to me the logs represent the toilet paper, the writing paper, my electricity, my furniture, mo home, almost everything has something to do with a cut down tree. why did nature give us arms and rocks, for the same reason she gave us a brain witch created the chainsaw. we are meant to do destruction here, yet we all know we must try to keep things check.
I have similar views, chainsaws are great tools and can be used to try to help things out not just destruction. If the world was how I'd like it to be we'd be growing hemp to build things along with endless options and saving forests only cutting for fire-wise and limited lumber production keeping healthy forests....so Utopian right now but using veggie oil and other alternatives is a good step
must be cutting some big logs with that 34"
Do you have experience with that clarifying process falcon?
a lot of restaurants use peanut and cotton seed oil filter it and possibly use the same method of cleaning the grease from http://www.grandpappy.info/wclarify.htm that would be a lot of bar oil for basically free
would you be able to put spores in the tallow or lard? The bar heating up also made me curious if it would be detrimental to the spores.
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Re: stop using bar oil! veggie oil works great in a chainsaw [Re: gardenmind]
#16052325 - 04/06/12 11:17 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Never clarified any but I use bacon grease for cleaning stuff, if I was going to use it for bar oil, I'd clarify it.
Don't know if the heat would destroy the spores.
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Re: stop using bar oil! veggie oil works great in a chainsaw [Re: falcon]
#16052374 - 04/06/12 11:32 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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cool I've only clarified butter how do you use the bacon grease for cleaning? saponifaction?
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Re: stop using bar oil! veggie oil works great in a chainsaw [Re: gardenmind]
#16053200 - 04/06/12 03:11 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Given a little time bacon grease applied to something, will clean just about any oil based gunk off of anything.
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Re: stop using bar oil! veggie oil works great in a chainsaw [Re: trigger]
#16062569 - 04/08/12 08:06 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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trigger said: a bit of mineral spirits can be added to the oil after every regular cleaning to remove build from oxidization, or a rinse prior to storage. on long bars 24 inches or more the veggie or peanut oil wont work, I attempted to slab a log with a 34'' and the bar gets to hot. I checked online and over 24 inch bars its not recommended to use veggie oil. any ideas on an oil that's not as nasty as bar oil that will make it down the tract on a 34?
you need a secondary oiler on long bars, check Bailey's, the sell one for the granbergmill or you can make one pretty cheaply with no more than a banjo fitting as a specialty item and a bit of drilling to make things work
this could give you a few ideas for your own http://www.woodworkforums.com/f132/aux-oiler-60415/
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Re: stop using bar oil! veggie oil works great in a chainsaw [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Do you think you could tweek a big enough saw motor to power a recumbent tricycle? I was thinking of a smaller diesel but haven't really found any.
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Re: stop using bar oil! veggie oil works great in a chainsaw [Re: teknix]
#16074255 - 04/11/12 07:13 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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you need a secondary oiler on long bars, check Bailey's, the sell one for the granbergmill or you can make one pretty cheaply with no more than a banjo fitting as a specialty item and a bit of drilling to make things work
thank you, the method of ripping i use involves the tip being plunged, i will make a 2nd oilier and rip with a proper perpendicular cut,.
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teknix said: Do you think you could tweek a big enough saw motor to power a recumbent tricycle? I was thinking of a smaller diesel but haven't really found any.
big saws are expensive and would work with a proper drive trans, an old 80cc johnsred would be ideal, lots of power and not so high rpm like the newer saws.
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Re: stop using bar oil! veggie oil works great in a chainsaw [Re: trigger]
#16080041 - 04/12/12 12:10 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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trigger said: big saws are expensive and would work with a proper drive trans, an old 80cc johnsred would be ideal, lots of power and not so high rpm like the newer saws.
I can attest to that, roughly $1800 in an 9hp 119cc husky 3120XP powerhead
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