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OfflineNewSpore
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F+ Casing Dragin Ass!i
    #1602345 - 06/02/03 08:13 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)



Creeps back right Pin city BRF/ spawn to poo/ cased 50/50

F+ left & front in tin In the GC a week and screeched to a halt!

What gives?


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    #1602349 - 06/02/03 08:14 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: F+ Casing Dragin Ass!i [Re: LiL_KuSsH]
    #1602443 - 06/02/03 08:43 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Dunno. We need more info.


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Re: F+ Casing Dragin Ass!i [Re: NewSpore]
    #1602573 - 06/02/03 09:30 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry to fast of a post. My friend has the cool mist getting 15 minutes per 1 1/2 hr maintaining a 97% RH, temp steady at 72-74....... He did spray the F+ because he saw the sides shrinking. There is a moist covering on the mycelium layer.Problem?
The creeps seem to be ok, but they were faster on the colonization in the BRF jars too!
Creeps



F+ on the left


He is wondering should he cold shock the F+ over night? AND........... Should he not case the other F+ just put the colonized poo in the grow chamber after a cold shock?

My friend needs more upload space for photos.





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Re: F+ Casing Dragin Ass!i [Re: NewSpore]
    #1602835 - 06/02/03 10:41 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

F+ is a bit slower of a pinner than some other strains. The fact that the casing was peeling from the sides before flushing may be an indication of too low of humidity.

Give F+ some time, it will fruit.

You may save up to about two days by fruiting w/o casing on F+. If two days is worth it to you, then don't case next time.

Again F+ is known to take a couple of days longer to pin than other strains.

All of this info is assuming nothing else is wrong with the casing.

My advice is patience.

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Re: F+ Casing Dragin Ass!i [Re: Joshua]
    #1602876 - 06/02/03 10:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Hey Joshua,
How was the bike ride?

My friend says thanks With your pictorials and posts, you have helped him more than you know. Muchas Gracias! He had a feeling that the one ingredient that was missing was patience!

Any idea why the jars never pinned. Steady 70+ RH and 85 degrees?


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Re: F+ Casing Dragin Ass!i [Re: NewSpore]
    #1604883 - 06/03/03 04:02 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I have jars that have been sitting exposed to light that never pinned in vitro. The correct environmental parameters were not met. Some strains like to pin in vitro better than others.

I went on a 20 mile ride through the mountains yesterday. My legs were shaking afterwards. I love it! I may enter my first running race on Friday.

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Re: F+ Casing Dragin Ass!i [Re: NewSpore]
    #1604905 - 06/03/03 04:08 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I just realized your time line for this.

You spawned manure with a cake on 5/26. The spawn run completed on 5/29, I assumed you cased it on 5/29 or 30. It usually takes a day or two for the casing to be colonised a bit. Pinning takes up to a week to occur. So as I see it, you should see pins by this weekend.

3 days for a spawn run is pretty damn fast!

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Re: F+ Casing Dragin Ass!i [Re: NewSpore]
    #1605742 - 06/03/03 07:45 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

20 Miles....... nice ride, what type of terrain? My friend used to off road it in the Adirondack Mountains when he was younger, (he firmly believes that one should never let fear or stupidity stop one) and he almost went off a cliff. Now that is a ass kickin, he knows the rubber/Elvis leg feature. Keep with it, it's great for the heart! . BTW...... Preciate the help.
Actually the foil pan has been in the GC for a week, so thats why he is a little concerned. He has the pic ( if the server lets him upload it) He is not sure if this is cob web... Does the stalling and lack of growth indicate web?

Dam he used up all his upload space and the dam pics didn't show. He will IM the pics to ya...... or post them tomorrow

made the pic smaller



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Re: F+ Casing Dragin Ass!i [Re: NewSpore]
    #1607188 - 06/04/03 06:47 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Bump

regarding over a week in the GC and a complete stall See pic above..... does this seem right?


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Re: F+ Casing Dragin Ass!i [Re: NewSpore]
    #1607244 - 06/04/03 07:39 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If that is the case (ha ha)...I would expect pins in a day or two. That is assuming your environment is proper. 90-95% rH, 78-80 F, and light.

The terrain is through the OSU research forest. Old growth, old fruit orchards, oak groves, 1500 ft climb, roots, overall a smooth path, and beautiful views!

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Re: F+ Casing Dragin Ass!i [Re: Joshua]
    #1607257 - 06/04/03 08:00 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Damm, my friend says that the environment is slightly off from your parameters.
97% RH temp around 72.5 to 76, One hour of florescent light a day 4 times a day(every 6 hours) in addition to room light during the day. Not to much sun making the room lighter these days with all the dam rain on the East Coast!

1500 ft climbs can be with in a mile to 2 in the NE. That is a real burner. I remember looking straight up a mile run at a 25 degree incline. OUCH! Low gear baby, low gear!


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Re: F+ Casing Dragin Ass!i [Re: NewSpore]
    #1607763 - 06/04/03 01:43 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

This excerpt is from Paul Stamets and J. S. Chilton: The Mushroom Cultivator

You are on the primordia forming step.

According to him:

Relative Humidify: 95-100%.
Air Temperature: 74-78 ?F.

You should be ok according to this info. Give it time and double check your parameters.

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Spawn Run:
Relative Humidity: 90%.
Substrate Temperature: 84?F - 86?F. Thermal death limits have been established at 106?F.
Duration: 10-14 days.
CO2: 5000 - 10,000 ppm.
Fresh Air Exchanges: 0 per hour.
Type of Casing: After fully run, cover with the standard casing whose preparations described in Chapter VIII. Layer to a depth of 1-2 inches. The casing should be balanced to an initial pH of 6.8 - 7.2.

Post Casing/Prepinning:
Relative Humidify: 90 %. Substrate Temperature: 84 - 86?F.
Duration of Case Run: 5-10 days.
CO2: 5000-10,000 ppm.
Fresh Air Exchanges: 0 per hour.
Light: Incubation in total darkness.

Primordia Formation:
Relative Humidify: 95-100%.
Air Temperature: 74-78 ?F.
Duration: 6-10 days.
CO2: less than 5000 ppm.
Fresh Air Exchanges: 1 -3 per hour. (For practical purposes, fanning a terrarium 2-3 times a day is sufficient)
Light: Diffuse natural or exposure for 12-16 hours/day of grow-lux type fluorescent light high in blue spectra at the 480 nanometer wavelength. (See Chapters IV and IX).

Cropping:
Relative Humidify: 85-92%. (For cakes: 95-100% )
Air Temperature: 74-78 ?F.
CO2 : less than 5000 ppm.
Fresh Air Exchanges: 1 -3 per hour. (For practical purposes, fanning a terrarium 2-3 times a day is sufficient)
Flushing Pattern: Every 5-8 days.
Harvest Stage: When the cap becomes convex and soon after the partial veil ruptures.
Light: Indirect natural or same as above.

Joshua


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Re: F+ Casing Dragin Ass!i [Re: NewSpore]
    #1608474 - 06/04/03 05:41 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

OK. Sounds good. My friend Skippy says thanks. He goto nervous because the Creeps are just a unstopable machine compared to the F+. Made him think he put the casing in to grow chamber too early. It was like 30% colonized..... Skippy will just chill and wait.

FYI this is the Creep same time as the F+ and it looks like it is starting to make baby pins.... F+ still has not fluffed up yet. Sorry for the lack of technical terms




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