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The Creation of God 1
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Something like that. I suspect god(s) are a creation of our fears based on our impermanence/death. Our need to placate the forces of nature over which we felt powerless and could destroy us at any moment. We needed to figure away to appease these forces in our favor. Thus the creation of a powerful being that we could make sacrifice to so as to preserve our existence. My guess.
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Re: The Creation of God [Re: Icelander]
#16023188 - 03/31/12 09:13 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've seen it proposed somewhere that Michelangelo was actually an atheist, and that, in the Creation of Adam, the shape formed by God and the angels and the sheet behind them closely resembles a brain, which would suggest that it's all in our head. Not sure if it's true, but I thought it was interesting.
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If God is a figment of my imagination, its ok. He is my best creation after all, I cause Him to bring me much bliss, much joy. To create something beyond oneself, something beautiful beyond words, this is pure imagination. The great saint Ramakrishna said that God appears in the form we love most.
"God assumes forms for the sake of His devotees. Through ecstatic love a devotee sees God with form. Dhruva had a vision of the Lord. He said: 'Why don't your ear-rings move?' The Lord said, 'They will move if you move them.'"
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for me the creation of god would be a thought bubble coming from a black hole with the word 'I' in it
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this post belongs in the philosophy forum
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Re: The Creation of God [Re: Chronic7] 1
#16028583 - 04/01/12 10:17 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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The Chronic said: for me the creation of god would be a thought bubble coming from a black hole with the word 'I' in it 
The two go hand in hand. There is no creation of God or "other" without the existence of "I."
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Re: The Creation of God [Re: Symbols]
#16028625 - 04/01/12 10:31 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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exactly
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Re: The Creation of God [Re: yeah]
#16029920 - 04/01/12 04:09 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah said: this post belongs in the philosophy forum
It looks like the OP deals with a strictly spiritual topic to me.
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I've always imagined it differently
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Re: The Creation of God [Re: Kickle]
#16029957 - 04/01/12 04:17 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Me too. 
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Re: The Creation of God [Re: deCypher] 1
#16030005 - 04/01/12 04:27 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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God: Rampant penis-tickler.
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Re: The Creation of God [Re: Kickle]
#16030132 - 04/01/12 04:53 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah said: this post belongs in the philosophy forum
It looks like the OP deals with a strictly spiritual topic to me.
How is telling everyone you're an atheist and leaving it at that a spiritual discussion? It's not spiritual at all.
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Re: The Creation of God [Re: yeah]
#16030162 - 04/01/12 05:02 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah said:
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yeah said: this post belongs in the philosophy forum
It looks like the OP deals with a strictly spiritual topic to me.
How is telling everyone you're an atheist and leaving it at that a spiritual discussion? It's not spiritual at all.
The OP didn't deny the existence of God in the slightest
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Has anyone here ever noticed that God is painted inside the shape of a human brain? From my scholarly endeavors, I have gotten that Michelangelo did that intentionally. Kind of makes this take on the painting redundant or is suggestive that the belief that God is an imaginary conjuration of our minds is in itself imaginary....
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Re: The Creation of God [Re: Kickle]
#16030405 - 04/01/12 06:05 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah said: this post belongs in the philosophy forum
It looks like the OP deals with a strictly spiritual topic to me.
How is telling everyone you're an atheist and leaving it at that a spiritual discussion? It's not spiritual at all.
The OP didn't deny the existence of God in the slightest 
Did you look at the image that was posted? Give me a break.
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Re: The Creation of God [Re: yeah] 2
#16031070 - 04/01/12 08:30 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sure. Here is an alternative interpretation for you if the picture is so offensive to you. When you think about God, when God is on your mind, it is a way of reaching out to God.
Your negativity about the topic is wholly unnecessary IMO and well within your abilities to interpret as you see fit. The OP may be an atheist but did not state as much. And if the OP is making an atheistic statement it is still welcome in this forum, as it relates to their individual spirituality. Your personal qualms are of no consequence when no one is personally being attacked.
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Re: The Creation of God [Re: Kickle] 1
#16031635 - 04/01/12 11:45 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks, Kickle.
And for the record, I'm not an "athiest," nor any other label or -ism. Boxes are for cereal and dead people, not my ever-expanding worldview. 
Some days I even contradict myself. Oops!
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yes its a shape of a human brain indeed, The universe is mental held in the mind of the all. I suggest you to watch this youtube channels playlist http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6B46808F4660E38C&feature=plcp and the other interesting videos in there.
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God as a bearded dude who created the universe 6000 years ago is undoubtedly an exclusively imaginary construct.
God as the uncaused cause for all that exists, or the laws of physics, or a transcendent consciousness that is the ground of being (or Being itself), or all of the above, is not so easily dismissed.
Then again, the former is a metaphor for the latter if you ask me.
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It took some effort I'll agree but I dismissed it as god.
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Re: The Creation of God [Re: Icelander]
#16057317 - 04/07/12 02:42 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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what's the alternative?
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Re: The Creation of God [Re: Icelander]
#16057621 - 04/07/12 03:57 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Whatever helps you sleep at night, settles your stomach, quenches your thirst, eases your pain.
At this present moment of writing this I am blinded by a depressive-manic episode of which description I am ill fit to give since I cannot uphold values of yestermoment (the cause) in the now of what is (the cause amplified). But my best guess is I am reaching out for externals of next moment in order to pacify the calm beast of saturn, who has successfully negotiated my morals into the dirt. Teetering from non animal eating spiritual to burger consuming meat sack.
Spiraling spiraling spiraling. I am like a stalling jet who's pilot has forgotten the means of maneuver to a platonic coasting.
The body laughs and is enjoying the pleasure I brought today. Cheeseburger for breakfast, giant iced coffee with extra coffee, and herb. It won't last, already as I write this the sensation pleasure is fleeting, being replaced with anxiety. Impermanent just the same.
Where is God at this moment? My mind is locked and totally identified with the 'pain' of existence. If you asked me about God a snarl erupts within my depths, a snarl of get the fuck out of here while I'm busy being pissed off. And my life is good right now! Totally irrational behavior. Yet who recognizes the irrationality of it?
But really though, does your idea of God stay consistent day to day? Is there anything that has not changed
My apologies for the self bashing centered ramble, not trying to derail.
My friend's brother is in the ward locked up right now after a brief stint of "I am Jesus, I am smarter then everyone."
Internalizing God or externalizing God. Identifying with your idea of God or someone else's idea. My question is why does God even matter to this moment right now? He/She/It/Tits made it possible? I am here because of thousands of years of fucking, no?
Something inside hopes that love/joy/peace can be found, a matter of opening up and accepting it.
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Re: The Creation of God [Re: Kupo]
#16057949 - 04/07/12 05:13 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Whatever helps you sleep at night, settles your stomach, quenches your thirst, eases your pain.
One of the better definitions of god that I've seen. 
Sorry to hear about your troubles as I know that place. It's almost a friend now in the sense of the quote "been down so goddamned long that it looks like up to me"
God does not matter to the moment that's why I replied to the above poster that very idea.
So carry on wayward son.
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Re: The Creation of God [Re: Icelander]
#16059647 - 04/08/12 01:16 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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These are words.
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Re: The Creation of God [Re: Symbols]
#16059982 - 04/08/12 05:51 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: The Creation of God [Re: Symbols]
#16060071 - 04/08/12 06:54 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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High time for a bad joke eel. 
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Re: The Creation of God [Re: cbub]
#16073285 - 04/10/12 11:30 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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the creation of god correlates with the big bang. I believe god as we know god to be today is a representation of the Vedic god Indra. Check it out for yourself.
Known as the god of the gods... He is the king of gods/Lord of heaven often depicted riding a white elephant. He existed before everything. His weapons is the vajra, translates in to diamond or lightning (unstoppable force) and the bow. He killed a serpent that was destroying humanity resulting in a flood. The rainbow is called Indra's Bow in sanskrit symoloizing the bridge to the gods. According to the pre-vedic indian myth a white elephant is depicted with the world on Indra's back. He was later replaced with Ganesh, a white elephant. Ganesh is known as the lord of hosts, and the remover of obstacles (sin/ignorance). This Indra is beginning to sound like the God of Abraham. He is the lord of heaven and rules with an unstoppable weapon, that he used to defeat a serpent, and has been around since before earth. In the other, presumably right hand he holds the only way to get to heaven (just as Jesus is the only way to get to heaven... Later he is replaced with Ganesh who is the lord of hosts, capable of removing sin (just like Jesus).
Another intersting interpreation of creation is the sound made by the earth as it rotates around the sun. 136.1 Hz is the frequency. It is the "Ohm" (or aum) sound. The sound was later transformed into the word "amen"... Makes the gospel of John creation have a new meaning. Quote:
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. Amen
Amen being the name/sound of God, as opposed to "I believe," the translation I was taught at Catholic school. As much as I detest the new testament, it seems that John was imprinting ancient wisdom into Christianity. I have no idea how the Catholic church let that slip by when making the Bible. Other parts of the Bible that are changed forever in my mind: Psalm 33:6
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By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, their starry host by the breath of his mouth.
" ...breath of his mouth, or sound of..., or vibration of... Genesis 1:2/3,
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Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. [3] And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
Again saying God's sound/vibration created something out of nothing Genesis 2:7
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Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
God's breath/vibration creating man.
Some interesting food for thought...
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Re: The Creation of God [Re: Symbols]
#16073406 - 04/11/12 12:01 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Symbols said: These are words.
Indeed.
WorldWideWInton,
'In the beginning was the Brahman with whom was the Word.' (Vedas)
'In the beginning was the Word.' (St. John, 1:1)
Also, I have read that the frequency of the Earth's rotation is 194.75 hz, which we perceive as the tone of a note found within the range of an audible G. Where did you source 136.1 hz from? The source I am using is Jonathan Goldman's book "Healing Sounds".
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Re: The Creation of God [Re: Kupo]
#16073719 - 04/11/12 01:45 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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All over the internet... not the best source but hey From wiki...
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36.1 Hertz or 136.1 Hz is the standard frequency of the Om tuning fork. It’s also the sound signature of the earth as it travels around the sun... ...If one year, the time for the earth to orbit the sun, is one cycle of a sound wave, raising that sound by 32 octaves into the audible range gives 136.1 Hz.[1]
http://www.klangwirkstoff.de/html-en/kosmischeoktave.html
When raising a tiny number 2^32 times, 136.1 and 194.75 are pretty close...
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Nice, thank you!
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