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 Re: Do americans really smoke joints without tobacco?!?  [Re: birdland] 1
#16005250 - 03/27/12 07:23 PM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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As an American, I roll both ways.
I do enjoy tobacco with weed occasionally.
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Re: Do americans really smoke joints without tobacco?!? [Re: drr]
#16005336 - 03/27/12 07:38 PM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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drr said:
Or watering down your beer so it takes longer to drink...
It's more like adding turpentine to your beer.
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Re: Do americans really smoke joints without tobacco?!? [Re: MushyMatt]
#16005345 - 03/27/12 07:41 PM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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Zulu The Most High said:
Are you being serious right now?
Have you been living under a rock the past 20 years?
Cannabis smoke contains the same pyrolytic compounds as tobacco, including benzene and benzo[a]pyrene. Saying cannabinoids are anti-carcinogenic (some studies say otherwise) doesn't cut it - you're still inhaling smoke.
The truth is, there's too little research, especially epidemiological studies on long term and heavy users like me (us? apparently), and a lot of conflicting evidence.
For instance, I could link you to this study that shows THC actually promotes tumor growth in mice:
http://www.jimmunol.org/content/165/1/373.full
But hell, this is completely off topic :-) We should probably rediscuss this in a few decades anyway.
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Re: Do americans really smoke joints without tobacco?!? [Re: Potito]
#16005414 - 03/27/12 07:54 PM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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Potito said:
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Zulu The Most High said:
Are you being serious right now?
Have you been living under a rock the past 20 years?
Cannabis smoke contains the same pyrolytic compounds as tobacco, including benzene and benzo[a]pyrene. Saying cannabinoids are anti-carcinogenic (some studies say otherwise) doesn't cut it - you're still inhaling smoke.
The truth is, there's too little research, especially epidemiological studies on long term and heavy users like me (us? apparently), and a lot of conflicting evidence.
For instance, I could link you to this study that shows THC actually promotes tumor growth in mice:
http://www.jimmunol.org/content/165/1/373.full
But hell, this is completely off topic :-) We should probably rediscuss this in a few decades anyway.
The addictive nature of tobacco use is reason alone for leaving it out of your joints.
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Re: Do americans really smoke joints without tobacco?!? [Re: healing]
#16005452 - 03/27/12 08:04 PM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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healing said:
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Potito said:
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Zulu The Most High said:
Are you being serious right now?
Have you been living under a rock the past 20 years?
Cannabis smoke contains the same pyrolytic compounds as tobacco, including benzene and benzo[a]pyrene. Saying cannabinoids are anti-carcinogenic (some studies say otherwise) doesn't cut it - you're still inhaling smoke.
The truth is, there's too little research, especially epidemiological studies on long term and heavy users like me (us? apparently), and a lot of conflicting evidence.
For instance, I could link you to this study that shows THC actually promotes tumor growth in mice:
http://www.jimmunol.org/content/165/1/373.full
But hell, this is completely off topic :-) We should probably rediscuss this in a few decades anyway.
The addictive nature of tobacco use is reason alone for leaving it out of your joints.
well weed is heavily psychologicaly addicting
so
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Re: Do americans really smoke joints without tobacco?!? [Re: leafing]
#16005477 - 03/27/12 08:11 PM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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I'm definitely not arguing with that healing. 
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Re: Do americans really smoke joints without tobacco?!? [Re: Potito]
#16005545 - 03/27/12 08:23 PM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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You're right leafing, I'm definitely more addicted to cannabis than tobacco.
While I've considerably reduced the amount of tobacco I smoke (3 a day on average including what little tobacco I put in my joints) without a problem, I can't see myself quitting cannabis anytime soon. Also nicotine cravings are a joke if you know a little bit about opiate w/d.
But that's just my experience, I know people who struggle immensely with their tobacco addiction.
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Re: Do americans really smoke joints without tobacco?!? [Re: Potito]
#16005652 - 03/27/12 08:48 PM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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Potito said:
You're right leafing, I'm definitely more addicted to cannabis than tobacco.
While I've considerably reduced the amount of tobacco I smoke (3 a day on average including what little tobacco I put in my joints) without a problem, I can't see myself quitting cannabis anytime soon. Also nicotine cravings are a joke if you know a little bit about opiate w/d.
But that's just my experience, I know people who struggle immensely with their tobacco addiction.
im one of them
i must puke 7 times a day
and sometimes end up bed ridden and even majorly depressed... but
godamn sometimes id perfer a newport over a thizzle
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Re: Do americans really smoke joints without tobacco?!? [Re: leafing]
#16005803 - 03/27/12 09:28 PM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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When you inhale weed it's a nice smooth feeling but when you inhale tobacco it hurts, your throat and lungs feel like they're taking a pounding.
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Re: Do americans really smoke joints without tobacco?!? [Re: Pobeese] 1
#16005847 - 03/27/12 09:37 PM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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so much hate in this thread.
weed is not "better" than tobacco
nothing is better than anything else
weed seems better than tobacco to me, but thats just like, my opinion man
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Re: Do americans really smoke joints without tobacco?!? [Re: drr]
#16005946 - 03/27/12 09:59 PM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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drr said:
Or watering down your beer so it takes longer to drink...
Isn't that what light beer is?
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Re: Do americans really smoke joints without tobacco?!? [Re: Cynosure]
#16006226 - 03/27/12 11:03 PM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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Re: Do americans really smoke joints without tobacco?!? [Re: JimLahey]
#16006233 - 03/27/12 11:05 PM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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JimLahey said:
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drr said:
Or watering down your beer so it takes longer to drink...
Isn't that what light beer is?
You're right, but I don't drink that either.
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Re: Do americans really smoke joints without tobacco?!? [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
#16006303 - 03/27/12 11:25 PM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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sof4r0ckeRs1984 said:
And without filter tip? In europe we make a tobacco mox and roll a small piece of cardboard for the filter. We don't gather the roaches either. Maybe some smoke bowls pure, alright...
I wonder if the weed in US is weaker...
OH MY GOD BRIT! NO way is that real? I would have expected this thread to be
DO BRITS REALLY ROLL JOINTS WITH TOBACCO? DISGUSTING
A blunt is always nice. It is rolled in tobacco, and wastes your weed if you smoke it too fast, but has a nice 'BOTH WAYS' effect
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Re: Do americans really smoke joints without tobacco?!? [Re: imachavel]
#16006661 - 03/28/12 01:34 AM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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Yeah mixing cigarette tobacco is nasty. I can kind of understand why it is done in combination with hash. Hash tends to make your lungs expand really fast and cause intense coughing from bronchodilation. Nicotine causes bronchoconstriction and evens out the cough fit to some degree. Hash has such a strong flavor there is no way the nicotine could overpower it. Id still rather do hot knives or coal hits though. I will admit though I have taken a paper clip rolled in honey oil and stabbed it into the middle of a black and mild, pinched it, and pulled the clip back out. Proceeded to dry tincture on it to make a even coating of oil on the outside. Smoked that sucker standing up and by the fourth or fifth inhale I was staggering backwards and almost fell on my ass.
Definitely a fan of hotboxing peoples car with blunts. Original swisher, white owl, or peach optimo. I generally stuff the ends tight with a key and rip off the extra paper. Roll it between my fingers and use it as a crutch in the back of the blunt. drop of honey on index and thumb and roll the first half of the blunt in it. Bake it with the lighter and ready to go.
That said I like Glass on glass gravity bongs better than any tobacco admixture. Break the bottom off a wine bottle and attach a fat gram bowl with an O ring to the top. Put the wine bottle in a pitcher full of water.....
glass cup hits of hash with a cylindrical coal, a straw, and a piece of clean unreactive metal beats the tobacco method any day. Such a clean buzz and taste.
I would say a few reasons why the Europeans mix with tobacco is because weed is harder to get, more expensive, and lower quality(more often at least). For this reason conserving comes into play.
Since good weed is becoming increasingly cheap and abundant we just smoke straight weed.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/204/img0084aq.jpg/
BTW our hash is better too(predominantly). How can you say you have weaker buds, but stronger hash. We have stronger buds(more abundantly) to make stronger hash with. Whip up some BHO and stir in kief, make a putty ball of lung busters.
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Re: Do americans really smoke joints without tobacco?!? [Re: utk] 1
#16006724 - 03/28/12 02:03 AM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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No advantages to putting tobacco in a joint?
We do it because it burns slower, unless you live in hollands weed can be pretty expensive at times. if you smoke the joint outside you waste half your pure weed joint? no thanks. weed + baccy smoke is a bit smoother, you have to know the good rolling tobacco brands.
I agree if you take tobacco from a marlboro cig (or any american tobacco) that it's just ruining weed, cigs contain over 100 chemicals to make them burn faster, but with a nice brand like tigra you can roll a fatty with .3 and puff away for the next 20 minutes. I have yet to see someone toking on a bong for 20 minutes.
In europe, joints are a very social thing. Back in school, we used to smoke a joint in the morning, midday and at 4:20. I think i've met over 400 people in my life that i wouldn't have met if i didn't smoke joints.
if you want to toke outside, with friends, i just don't see any decent alternatives to a joint? metal pipes have a sucky taste (even worse then joints and they are harsher)and glass pipes are a bitch to carry around without breaking. And you have to find a place away from wind and people to light it. tobacco also slightly masks the taste.
the only thing better then joints for smoking outside is a portable vape. i own the arizer solo but i get so high from it that i broke all the glass mouthpieces (and i'm not alone, at every place where they get sold at a decent price they are out of stock)
tl dr; joints for the win
edit: not using roaches is retarded, except if you like wasting weed everytime you roll one. silly americans 
Edited by brutex (03/28/12 02:05 AM)
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Re: Do americans really smoke joints without tobacco?!? [Re: brutex]
#16006776 - 03/28/12 02:24 AM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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I like em both ways. The only way to make non-blashemous or whatever: not an insult to the quality of weed you're putting in it, is to add quality tobacco. Put the pipe type tobacco, and only put a little in. It'll add a much deeper flavor and smoke, and not add much harshness cause it's such moist, good tobacco. That's just me.
Most of the time i'd perfer a pure leaf, i mean fan leaf joint over a fully rolled cigarette. But i've been getting into em lately, very nice addition for a  buzz or the likes.
and yeppers i'm americano, senor.
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Re: Do americans really smoke joints without tobacco?!? [Re: brutex]
#16006782 - 03/28/12 02:26 AM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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i also don't understand why Americans don't use Roaches or is weed really so cheap in there?
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Re: Do americans really smoke joints without tobacco?!? [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
#16006903 - 03/28/12 03:34 AM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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Joozz said:
i also don't understand why Americans don't use Roaches or is weed really so cheap in there?
Yes. We use roaches rarely, but you'd have to be pretty desperate. Everyone would be like "dude, just roll another one, man."
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sof4r0ckeRs1984 said:
And without filter tip? In europe we make a tobacco mox and roll a small piece of cardboard for the filter. We don't gather the roaches either. Maybe some smoke bowls pure, alright...
I wonder if the weed in US is weaker...
Bongs are virtually always weed, and lots of it. You've just got to understand just how high Americans normally want to get. To most people in the US, an 1/8 can be gone through in a single sitting by one person. Sometimes people put an entire 1/8 into one joint. Also, joints are generally shared.
Bongs and pipes are probably more common than joints to begin with, but it varies state to state depending on how easy bongs and pipes are to buy.
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Re: Do americans really smoke joints without tobacco?!? [Re: SomeGuy] 1
#16006904 - 03/28/12 03:38 AM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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SomeGuy said:
tobacco ruins a joint
Yuck!
Got passed a joint once, hit it a few times, began to feel ill, laid down, tried not to vomit.
Turns out it was rolled with tobacco.
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