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What's to become of self character in the world of industry?
    #1599828 - 06/02/03 12:11 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

"At first thought this may seem an unwarranted statement, but a careful
examination of the facts will very quickly develop the truth thereof. In
the so-called "dark ages" there were no factories, but every town and vil-
lage was full of small shops in which the master, sometimes alone and at
other times with a few journeymen and apprentices, wrought the works of his
trade from the raw material to the finished product, exercising his skill
and creative instinct and putting his heart and soul into every piece of
work that left his hands. If he were a blacksmith, he knew how to produce
ornamental ironwork fit for signs, gates, and other things which went to
make up the quaint beauty of those medieval villages and towns. Nor did his


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handiwork ever leave him entirely; as he walked about the town he might look
upon this, that, or the other ornament, and pride himself upon the beauty
thereof,; pride himself also in the knowledge of how he had won the respect
and admiration of his fellow townsmen by his artistic and conscientious
work. The joiner who made the framework of the chairs, also upholstered
them and made those artistic designs which we are today seeking to follow.
The shoemaker, the weaver, and all other craftsmen without exception pro-
duced the finished article from the raw material, and each took pride in his
handiwork. Also they toiled long hours, but there was no murmur or com-
plaint, for each found a satisfaction in this exercise of his creative in-
stinct. The song of the blacksmith to the accompaniment of the hammer on
the anvil was a fact in every shop, and the journeymen and apprentices felt
themselves not slaves but MASTERS IN THE MAKING.

Then came the age of steam and machinery and with it a new system of la-
bor. Instead of the production of the finished article from the raw mate-
rial by one man, which gave satisfaction to his creative instinct, the new
plan was to make men tenders of machines which produced only parts of the
finished articles. These parts were then assembled by others. While this
plan decreased the cost of production and increased the output, it left no
scope for the creative instinct of a man. He became merely a cog in some


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great machine. In the medieval shop money was indeed a minor consideration;
the joy of production was everything; time mattered not. But under the new
system men commenced to work FOR MONEY AND AGAINST TIME, with the result
that the souls of both master and men are now starved. They have lost the
substance and retained only the shadow of all that makes life worth living,
for they are laboring for something which they can neither use nor enjoy.
This applies to both master and men.

What would we say of a young man who should set himself the goal of ac-
cumulating a million handkerchiefs which he could never by any possible
change use? Surely we should call him a fool; and why should we not place
the man who spends all his energy and foregoes all the comforts of life to
become a millionaire, in the same category? This system cannot continue,
for it is giving man a stone when he asks for bread, and there must be some
other development in store for him. "




After you having read the above, I start my thread....

Surely, in the system in which we live sooner or later it will completely deprive most people of their character and creativity. Corporate Jobs have already done this, and continue to do this. You do everything their way - you no longer express yourself in your own work. Now censorship is also a part of the problem. They limit our needs to express ourself 100%.

Do you guys think individuality will be something someday "given" to each person at birth in the future. Will it get so bad that we will be taught how to express our character?

It seems in the world today , character has been replaced by ego. Instead of being able to express ourselves truthfully through our work, we now con, manipulate, and brainwash the consumers, who do the same in some form.


This is a sad state of the world, and I think we need a new worldview.


To not be able to express oneself, is to not live. Take away my expression, and you take away my life force. Its no suprise to me that the biggest problem given to doctors by patients, MORE SO then overweight problems - is Fatigue, lack of energy. How can one have energy when he does not feel he is expressing himself 100% every second.


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Re: What's to become of self character in the world of industry? [Re: tekramrepus]
    #1599843 - 06/02/03 12:18 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)


There are basic needs every human has. I don't remember them all, but some psycologist discovered this (it's basically a fact of the human contiousness). According to these tested, yet unproovable facts (oxymoron), we need to express ourselves. In other words, society will never be devoid of creative thoughts. Never.


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



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Re: What's to become of self character in the world of industry? [Re: tekramrepus]
    #1599849 - 06/02/03 12:20 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Hmm... I dunno if I agree with your viewpoint.

I think the old blacksmiths and their apprentices from that piece of writing had much bigger egos than people living in corporate america today.  The first part of it just reeks of ego, if you ask me.

People in society today don't have as well-developed senses of self as people did back then.  There are too many of us.  We are becoming all one, and in the process, our own personal egos are diminishing. 

Our creativeness, our uniquiness, our Selves are dissolving as society evolves.

That's the way I see it, at least.  And yes, it's very sad. :frown:

I my ego!

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Re: What's to become of self character in the world of industry? [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1599867 - 06/02/03 12:28 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Ego and Character 2 me are opposites.


EGO: Self-centered, Scared, Insecurity, What you want others to think of you, When you try to act a certain way, Feelings of doubt, Feelings of seperateness, Me versus Them

Character: Developed from hard work, how you naturally are, an expression of self out of love, not out of want, content with self


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Re: What's to become of self character in the world of industry? [Re: tekramrepus]
    #1599913 - 06/02/03 12:44 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

EGO: Self-centered, Scared, Insecurity, What you want others to think of you, When you try to act a certain way, Feelings of doubt, Feelings of seperateness, Me versus Them.

Exactly. Those blacksmiths and their apprentices were all of those things. (Except for the things I did not bold. They did not care what others thought of them. They cared whether or not they could take pride in their pieces of work.)

People in corporate america today are not self-centered. They do not want to be the best. They do not want to have pride in what they do. They just want to have the easy way out and join the heart of society.

Without the ego, nothing is possible.

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Re: What's to become of self character in the world of industry? [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1599931 - 06/02/03 12:52 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I didnt write the whle thing on blacksmiths, so you arent arguign with me :smile: that was text taken written over a hundred years ago from some dude in a secret society.


I believe the whole workforce of america is ego-centered. Ego doesnt always have to be pride, someoen can have a huge ego and lack pride - either way they are still insecure and going to defend themselves.


I think the western world would be NOTHING without ego. Its because of our egos that we strive for the biggest house, faster car, best clothes, etc. Ego is what DRIVES us to get better jobs. Because we are insecure with what we have. We think its not enough.


Ego is part of humanity, either way - Howver I do feel that creaitivty played a bigger role in humanity than it does now, can we agree on that :laugh:


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Re: What's to become of self character in the world of industry? [Re: tekramrepus]
    #1600057 - 06/02/03 01:46 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah...

The ego comes in many shapes, sizes and forms. Some we may look at as "better" than others.

I agree that creative egos are lacking in today's society. Either that, or they are simply overshadowed by the enormous amount of "corporate american" egos we have in this country.


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Re: What's to become of self character in the world of industry? [Re: tekramrepus]
    #1600150 - 06/02/03 02:16 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Certainly the industrial and technology age has taken away many things which were once deemed noble. With the rise in corporations and the almighty dollar (bling bling yo) there seems to be a lack of basic understanding of the world in which we live. Despite our many advancements, we have taken steps back in other ways..

However!... with the cessation of the information/technology age comes the advent of the space exploration/spiritual age. Yes indeed, there is a threshold for which our ignorance can evade what makes us human. You push the limits too far... and eventually your whole reality comes crashing down all around you.

Creativity is a divine human trait, and will never be replaced. The ability to think and create is why we are human. There is also a lesson involved.. we did not incarnate on this spinning ball of mass to just pursue needless physical anomalies. This is corporeal life, the fusion of spiritual into physical matter, in order to gain experience, in order to learn. The phenomenal cosmic classroom.

The truth is that this charade will not last forever. The most striking ways of illogical thinking will be replaced first, followed by deeply-rooted beliefs and altered perceptions of reality. The world view will change drastically.

The technology age does not mean creativity will be supressed. It means the coming of a new age where it is relished. When the truth is seen for all to see, all these games will come to an abrupt end.

Technology created in harmony with spiritual nature, is not destructive. Many highly developed civilizations utilize this same right-brained technology while expressing and developing their spirit.

It is the same concept as ego.. you do not want to get rid of it, destroy it.. you want to evolve with it. As we evolve so will our technology and our egos, and our worldview with it.

If you want to change the world, start with yourself. Then move externally.


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Re: What's to become of self character in the world of industry? [Re: Shroomism]
    #1601355 - 06/02/03 02:28 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

im trying to help myself right now, great post.


one thing Ive realized is you cant begin to help others unless youve helped yourself. Knowing what to do, and doing it are completely different


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