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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: wildchild68] * 1
    #15999601 - 03/26/12 06:13 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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indeed, what a shitshow.

i'm not sure if any of you have seen this, but i'm guessing it paints a pretty accurate picture of the kind of person zimmerman was.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/22/george-zimmerman-s-history-of-911-calls-a-complete-log.html

his calls to police include complaints about kids playing in the street, open garage doors, countless black males doing nothing apparently wrong (including a 7-9 year old), trash in the street, wheelies on a bike, pot holes, his landlord trying to get rent out of him, people in the neighborhood pool playing basketball, his roommate letting people he "didn't like" in house, drunk people walking, and plenty more.




Being an asshole ≠ being a racist murderer.


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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 3
    #15999613 - 03/26/12 06:15 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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indeed, what a shitshow.

i'm not sure if any of you have seen this, but i'm guessing it paints a pretty accurate picture of the kind of person zimmerman was.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/22/george-zimmerman-s-history-of-911-calls-a-complete-log.html

his calls to police include complaints about kids playing in the street, open garage doors, countless black males doing nothing apparently wrong (including a 7-9 year old), trash in the street, wheelies on a bike, pot holes, his landlord trying to get rent out of him, people in the neighborhood pool playing basketball, his roommate letting people he "didn't like" in house, drunk people walking, and plenty more.




Being an asshole ≠ being a racist murderer.




The 911 reports show a clear trend of small-minded racism and an overinflated sense of personal authority.


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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: grimR] * 1
    #15999635 - 03/26/12 06:18 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I dont see the need to bring up the overwhelming evidence not shown in media regarding black on white hate crimes which usually never even make it to court as hate crimes... its obvious but I'll gladly post more of them then u have time to read... I really dont think its overwhelming when u compare the two and the percentages of population. the prison system teaches this among many "black leaders." its just sad and disgusting this is how they believe justice is done... revenge on whites for a crime they have no involvement in. I think of my family and if something happened to them. u should try the same reversing the situation... that is if there isnt so much hate it clouds ur mind and abilities to do so. if so its ok there are plenty of people pushing hate out there

the new black panther party has been looking for reason to kill white people for the last year or two at least... including the need to be "killing white babies"... no one in their party denounces the comments and the president is well aware of a case that is likely to swing votes... thats y he keeps his mouth shut about it now he doesnt want to be open on his own views afraid to lose votes....


im done for now discussing it 4 now as I have things to do before work but hope everyone finds peace somewhere ::peace::


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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: grimR] * 1
    #15999661 - 03/26/12 06:25 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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I dont see the need to bring up the overwhelming evidence not shown in media regarding black on white hate crimes which usually never even make it to court as hate crimes... its obvious but I'll gladly post more of them then u have time to read... I really dont think its overwhelming when u compare the two and the percentages of population. the prison system teaches this among many "black leaders." its just sad and disgusting this is how they believe justice is done... revenge on whites for a crime they have no involvement in. I think of my family and if something happened to them. u should try the same reversing the situation... that is if there isnt so much hate it clouds ur mind and abilities to do so. if so its ok there are plenty of people pushing hate out there

the new black panther party has been looking for reason to kill white people for the last year or two at least... including the need to be "killing white babies"... no one in their party denounces the comments and the president is well aware of a case that is likely to swing votes... thats y he keeps his mouth shut about it now he doesnt want to be open on his own views afraid to lose votes....


im done for now discussing it 4 now as I have things to do before work but hope everyone finds peace somewhere ::peace::




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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: grimR] * 1
    #15999675 - 03/26/12 06:26 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

wait, so obama needs to denounce the actions of every extremist group in this country now?

hint: no one gives a shit what the black panthers say.


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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #15999681 - 03/26/12 06:27 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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indeed, what a shitshow.

i'm not sure if any of you have seen this, but i'm guessing it paints a pretty accurate picture of the kind of person zimmerman was.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/22/george-zimmerman-s-history-of-911-calls-a-complete-log.html

his calls to police include complaints about kids playing in the street, open garage doors, countless black males doing nothing apparently wrong (including a 7-9 year old), trash in the street, wheelies on a bike, pot holes, his landlord trying to get rent out of him, people in the neighborhood pool playing basketball, his roommate letting people he "didn't like" in house, drunk people walking, and plenty more.




Being an asshole ≠ being a racist murderer.




The 911 reports show a clear trend of small-minded racism and an overinflated sense of personal authority.




As the reports show him calling about many things, including other Hispanics... bullshit to the first. The second seems clear enough.


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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: wildchild68] * 1
    #15999684 - 03/26/12 06:28 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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wait, so obama needs to denounce the actions of every extremist group in this country now?

hint: no one gives a shit what the black panthers say.




Apparently... Holder does.


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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #15999686 - 03/26/12 06:29 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

pretty obvious who the true racists are in this thread... :heart:

would like to know why u (two) dont believe this man deserves a trial? if not too much to ask


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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #15999689 - 03/26/12 06:29 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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As the reports show him calling about many things, including other Hispanics... bullshit to the first. The second seems clear enough.




Hating black people doesn't preclude him from hating his own people.


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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: wildchild68] * 2
    #15999693 - 03/26/12 06:30 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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wait, so obama needs to denounce the actions of every extremist group in this country now?

hint: no one gives a shit what the black panthers say.


LOL seriously!  Would anyone have asked Ronald Reagan to specifically denounce the Aryan Nation?  It's absurd to contemplate.


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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #15999711 - 03/26/12 06:33 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I've heard the recording where Zimmerman is supposed to have said "fucking coon" or "coons" under his breath and personally it sounded more like "punks" to me. The part where he clearly says "These assholes, they always get away" seems to say a lot about Zimmerman's preconceptions of Martin though. The "suspicious" activity he was reporting basically consisted of Martin walking and looking around, and reacting to the fact Zimmerman was watching him. How does that make Martin an asshole? Why shouldn't he have been able to "get away"?

I wonder also if  Zimmerman's actions prior to the physical altercation could be interpreted as violating Florida's harassment or stalking laws.

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Fla. Stat. § 784.048. Stalking; definitions; penalties. (2008)

(1)  As used in this section, the term:

                                (a)      "Harass" means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose.

                                (b)      "Course of conduct" means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however short, evidencing a continuity of purpose. Constitutionally protected activity is not included within the meaning of "course of conduct." Such constitutionally protected activity includes picketing or other organized protests.

                                (c)      "Credible threat" means a threat made with the intent to cause the person who is the target of the threat to reasonably fear for his or her safety. The threat must be against the life of, or a threat to cause bodily injury to, a person.

                                (d)      "Cyberstalk" means to engage in a course of conduct to communicate, or to cause to be communicated, words, images, or language by or through the use of electronic mail or electronic communication, directed at a specific person, causing substantial emotional distress to that person and serving no legitimate purpose.

(2)  Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
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Did continuing to follow Martin serve a legitimate purpose? (Probably not IMO.) Were his actions carried out in a malicious manner? (?) Assuming it could be proven that Zimmerman was stalking or criminally harassing Martin and that precipitated the physical fight between them, would/should a self-defense argument still stand?


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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: grimR] * 1
    #15999733 - 03/26/12 06:38 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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pretty obvious who the true racists are in this thread...




Yes. It's very clear. It's those who have convicted this man before he has been tried.

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would like to know why u (two) dont believe this man deserves a trial? if not too much to ask




I haven't said that.


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Re: The Trayvon Martin thread - bring your paranoid racist fantasies here, folks! [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #15999747 - 03/26/12 06:42 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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As the reports show him calling about many things, including other Hispanics... bullshit to the first. The second seems clear enough.




Hating black people doesn't preclude him from hating his own people.




No-one has shown him to be racist.

On the contrary:

Sonner also said that Zimmerman and his wife in the past have served as mentors to African-American youth. "He and his wife were mentors to a single mother with two, a 14-year-old son and a 13-year-old daughter. They were mentors to them, took them every couple weeks. What that program included was every other week, going for two or three hours going to the mall, to the science center, going to lunch, playing basketball, doing those types of things."



That bastard!!!!!


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    #15999766 - 03/26/12 06:47 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

So he's friends with black children? :smirk:


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    #15999801 - 03/26/12 06:56 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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So he's friends with black children?




It seems so if the statement is accurate.

I don't know him, so I can't say.

Any more than the assholes who want to tar/feather him while claiming he's a racist can.

Hopefully, even those in this thread who have leapt to a shitty judgement will never face a lynch mob mentality like has been on display here.

It's been a pathetic display.


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    #15999809 - 03/26/12 06:58 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I honestly don't hate him for any racism I perceive on his part.

I don't think he would have hesitated to harass a gangly white kid in a hoodie in his neighborhood, either.

I bet he gets a rush every time he calls 911. People like him make me sick, racist or not.


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    #15999841 - 03/26/12 07:07 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

:rofl2:

Good one.


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    #15999846 - 03/26/12 07:09 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Honestly the more I read, the more disgusting I find the racist caricature I'm seeing, as well.

It definitely sounded like he said "Fuckin' coon," though.

But what does he mean by "These assholes?" People who take a shortcut through your "turf" on their way to get candy? Racist or not this is a horrible attitude.


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    #15999866 - 03/26/12 07:14 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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I honestly don't hate him for any racism I perceive on his part.




Then you seem to be in the minority of posters on this site who have been involved in these threads.


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I don't think he would have hesitated to harass a gangly white kid in a hoodie in his neighborhood, either.




It wouldn't surprise me.


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I bet he gets a rush every time he calls 911.




That wouldn't surprise me either.


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People like him make me sick, racist or not.




I don't know him, so I can't say. I try to not judge those I don't know, until all the facts are in. Although it's hard not to see him as not being stupid.


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