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Lucyfer
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Several questions (For those with extensive LSD knowledge/experience)
#15988354 - 03/24/12 12:21 AM (12 years, 27 days ago) |
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So, I have several questions.
Before I ask I'll give a little bit of background.
I have tripped on LSD a total of 14 times in my life. I have never had a bad experience, though some have been somewhat lackluster due to lack of potency in some acid I have purchased. At this point, I am content and at peace in general, and have excellent relationships with family members and whatnot. I plan on taking it again in the near future, which will be perhaps in a couple weeks from now or so. The last thing I want is a bad experience that will eliminate my positive feelings and outlook on life that I have been granted from this magnificent substance (though I would rather refer to it as a sacrament). My last dose was 5 tabs (estimating between a total consumption of 500 and 700 micrograms). Yes, they were very potent ^.^
So, shroomery, let me ask you...
1. With extremely high doses (1000 mics+), is it true that having a bad trip becomes nearly impossible? I ask this because it seems your complete lack of ego would override any intense negative emotions because you would have absolutely no attachment to your emotions or reality whatsoever (in more common terms, ego death). I have heard something about this, but I need opinions of those who have personal experience to back up their answers.
2. Since I am in a positive state of mind nowadays, would that eliminate the possibility of a bad trip? Obviously in a heavily controlled setting with people I am close with/trust, maybe even alone.
I look forward to hearing your answers ^_^
Peace and love, positive vibes.
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Re: Several questions (For those with extensive LSD knowledge/experience) [Re: Lucyfer]
#15988389 - 03/24/12 12:39 AM (12 years, 27 days ago) |
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Well, I would always warn that a bad trip is possible no matter what as the most minuscule thing that you do not even notice consciously can fuck you up. That being said, in my experience higher doses can be easier to handle because of ego loss as you said, because if there is no you then there is no reason to be afraid. A quarter of shrooms certainly gave me a difficult if not bad trip, but I find high doses of acid very easy to handle personally. Good vibes help too I hear...so I'll send you some!haha
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Re: Several questions (For those with extensive LSD knowledge/experience) [Re: Lucyfer]
#15988400 - 03/24/12 12:43 AM (12 years, 27 days ago) |
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>With extremely high doses (1000 mics+), is it true that having a bad trip becomes nearly impossible? I ask this because it seems your complete lack of ego would override any intense negative emotions because you would have absolutely no attachment to your emotions or reality whatsoever (in more common terms, ego death). I have heard something about this, but I need opinions of those who have personal experience to back up their answers.
I don't think that ego loss will stop you from having a bad trip. Ever seen an injured reptile defending itself when it's in panic? Reptiles have no neo-cortex, no egos. They're just inputs and outputs (sorry to reptile lovers ) But yet they can have a terrible time.
If your body thinks that it's in danger then it may freak out and attempt to save itself, even if YOU have no self concept. So ego death is no protection from bad trips.
There are drugs like ketamine however, that seem to completely shut out the flight response (anxiety) but you are asking about LSD and to my knowledge LSD doesn't have any anxiolytic properties.
I think there are two kinds of bad trips though. There's the kind of bad trip where you think about negative things in your life and feel depressed and suicidal (but not panicked). These kinds of bad trips, I don't really think of as bad trips, because I usually get something positive from the experience. We'll call this a type A bad trip
The other kind of bad trip is just pure fear/anxiety. A panic attack in other words. Where for no reason what-so-ever you just freak out and have a horrible time. I've had trips like this and NOTHING positive comes out of them. At all. We'll call this a type B bad trip
I think ego death would most probably prevent a type A bad trip. But would NOT prevent a type B bad trip.
>Since I am in a positive state of mind nowadays, would that eliminate the possibility of a bad trip? Obviously in a heavily controlled setting with people I am close with/trust, maybe even alone.
Being in a positive state of mind (set) and a controlled setting with people you trust is the recipe for having a good trip.
As psychedelics are really just a reflection of set and setting it sounds to me like you are in the ideal place for a trip.
Good luck
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Lucyfer
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Re: Several questions (For those with extensive LSD knowledge/experience) [Re: Dawks]
#15988469 - 03/24/12 01:19 AM (12 years, 27 days ago) |
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thank you.
also, if anyone would like to share about the effects of extremely high dose trips, please share (10-strips, 1000+ mics, etc. etc.)
I've heard a lot about total ego shattering and rebirth, which seem like they could contribute to ultimate enlightenment
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Re: Several questions (For those with extensive LSD knowledge/experience) [Re: Lucyfer]
#15988497 - 03/24/12 01:38 AM (12 years, 27 days ago) |
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I've been to the 10-strip mark. I didn't have an ego death.
I've consumed 10 grams of mushrooms. I didn't have an ego death.
I've always wondered if this whole ego death business is even real or not. But they say drugs affect people differently.
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Re: Several questions (For those with extensive LSD knowledge/experience) [Re: carnage11]
#15988745 - 03/24/12 04:47 AM (12 years, 27 days ago) |
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1. A bad trip is definitely possible at 1000+ mics. Set & setting is even more important with doses of that magnitude. Remember, it's not like it hits you & your ego is gone. It's a journey. ....and you can fight it, though not successfully. It's not like a thumbprint where you're gone for several hours no matter what. It's like an in & out kinda thing. That's with no tolerance. I've taken doses like that at shows before, but I was surrounded by wonderful, loving & experienced people.....and I had a tolerance. Those trips were still very powerful though. Without a tolerance in a different setting was a whole other kinda thing. You're going on a journey & you're gonna face a lot of shit. If you don't let go you're gonna have a bad time.
The only time I've ever tripped on anything & didn't even have a chance to fight it was my first trip. I can't say the exact dosage cause I wasn't connected like that then, but it's safe to say that it was no more than 400 mics, probably over 300 though. It was an altogether new experience, and I was washed away. After that I kinda knew what to expect so to speak.
2. You're in good shape if the set & setting is lined up right. You still might face some shit that you don't want to/don't expect, but you'll be better able to face it, let it go & grow than if the set & setting were wrong. If you take a solid dose you will go through rough
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Re: Several questions (For those with extensive LSD knowledge/experience) [Re: Dark_Star]
#15988756 - 03/24/12 04:55 AM (12 years, 27 days ago) |
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Patches. It's guaranteed. That's kinda the whole point; face & overcome your demons.
3. Stories? Maybe later..... I gotta go to work now. Words don't really come close though. 1000+mics w/ no tolerance is pretty wild, unfortunately I don't remember the deepest parts, just bits & pieces from when I would descend back to this world briefly.
One more thing; dropping a 10-strip doesn't necessarily mean eating 1000mics. A lot of doses are under 100mics a piece.; even the really good doses. W/ no tolerance 75-80mics will gt you high as fuck, including visuals. I've dropped 2 hits & had incredibly wild experiences; could've sworn it was 250mics...come to find out later that I took between 170-180. LSD is apt more powerful than people realize.
Sorry for the double post; I'm on my iPod, and it fucked me over on the first one.
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Edited by Dark_Star (03/24/12 12:01 PM)
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Re: Several questions (For those with extensive LSD knowledge/experience) [Re: Dark_Star]
#15989108 - 03/24/12 08:47 AM (12 years, 27 days ago) |
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Honestly I don't think a bad experience will ruin your life. I feel my life's gotten better after every trip to some extent and I've had a few horrible ones in there. But I always wake up refreshed and thankful that it's over with and ready to move on with my life until Lucy tempts me again
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Re: Several questions (For those with extensive LSD knowledge/experience) [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#15994874 - 03/25/12 04:30 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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Ok, so I've thought about the effects of 1+ mgs of L over the past couple of days at work, and I can't really think of much that can be described. My last time was some years ago, and I don't remember those experiences as well as I'd like to. Methinks a refresher is in order.
Anyway, the first thing that comes to mind is that when it first hits there's some psychosomatic nausea. Basically I'd have to just chill & focus on my breathing for a bit while my body/brain/mind got acclimated to the change. You get really high, really quickly, and it's evident that you're in for a ride.
That phase doesn't last too long....and when it's over it evaporates away instantly, and you're in orbit. Then you just keep going. I've experienced full ego-loss as well as ego-death, multiple lives/deaths, telepathy, Oneness with the All, etc.....during those doses. I've also experienced a lot of those things on lesser doses. There's more, but I can't remember really.....some things just can't be brought back to this state of consciousness.
I don't know if that helped or not, but that's all I've got right now. IME the effects don't last any longer; the peak's about 6 hours or so, and the whole trip around 12. The effects are a lot stronger though, including through the comedown. It takes some time to process. Everything still has that lysergic shimmer as well, though I'm so used to it that I don't always notice anymore. It's not a bad thing as far I'm concerned; I enjoy it. When I do I find it very noticeable I'm reminded of my experiences, and what I've learned from them. I've let go of some dark energy/bad moods before because of this.
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Re: Several questions (For those with extensive LSD knowledge/experience) [Re: Dark_Star]
#15994928 - 03/25/12 04:42 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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i one took i assume it was around 700 mics or 1 mg or even more i rinsed a vial with liquid still inside it.. started feeling it in 5 minutes. went for a walk... felt like i was under water... started taking my sweater on and off and feeling very awkward holding it like everyone kew i was holding my sweater... went back home and toook 600 mgs of seroquel after calling a friend to calm me down... started seeing plusating concrete vines growing on my wallls puslating and throbbing... and light divided into its individual colors
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Re: Several questions (For those with extensive LSD knowledge/experience) [Re: leafing]
#15995074 - 03/25/12 05:18 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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Yeah rinses will get ya. They can range so much too. I did one with an old sweethbreath bottle that a friend gave me. He'd had it sitting around for a while. You could see all of the liquid inside; it was light brownish color from oxidation. I rinsed the fuck out of it then cut it open & licked it to make sure I got all of it. There was enough left to get high, but that's it. Based on experience I'd say I got no more than 70-80mics out of it. The rest was oxidized.
On the other extreme I rinsed out a glass vial & dropper that I'd saved myself in a fridge, and whew......there must've been anywhere between 12-15 drops worth left in there. I hadn't dosed in a while & it floored me. That's what I was hoping for though.
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