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 Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident 
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http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2012/mar/24/michigan_father_killed_marijuana
Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident
A prosecutor in northern Michigan has cleared the police officer who shot and killed a Grayling man as police and Child Protective Services (CPS) employees attempted to seize his three-year-old. The attempted removal of the minor child came after a police officer who came to the scene on a call earlier that same day reported that he smelled marijuana and reported the incident to CPS authorities, who decided the child needed to be removed. The dead man, William Reddie, 32, becomes the 17th person killed in US domestic drug law enforcement operations so far this year.
[Editor's Note: This case illustrates the difficulties that arise in determining which deaths qualify as being a direct result of drug law enforcement. Police here were enforcing child protections laws, not drug laws, but the only reason CPS was called in was because of the allegation of marijuana use. There was no allegation of crazed behavior due to marijuana use; only the allegation of use. For Michigan CPS authorities, that was enough to remove the child. Bottom line: This guy died because the state tried to take his kid because he was accused of smoking pot, so he merits inclusion. That doesn't mean his own actions didn't contribute to his death.]
Reddie's killing took place on February 3, but we only became aware of it when news broke this week that prosecutors had decided that the police officer's use of deadly force in the incident was justified.
According to the Crawford County Avalanche, Grayling police Officer Alan Somero was called to Reddie's apartment for an alleged domestic disturbance. Somero made no arrests, but believed he smelled marijuana and reported it to CPS. Two CPS employees went to Reddie's apartment to check on the situation. They then got a court order to remove Reddie's 3-year-old son, Cameron, and asked police to escort them to the apartment to serve the court order.
The Gaylord Herald-Times, which obtained the CPS removal order, added more detail. It reported that Reddie had been accused of smoking marijuana in front of his son, and that Reddie had become "agitated" and threatened police when confronted by that accusation earlier in the day.
The court order gave the following reason for removing the child: “There are reasonable grounds for this court to remove the child(ren) from the parent ... because conditions or surroundings of the child(ren), and is contrary to the welfare of the child(ren) to remain in the home because: It is alleged that the father used marijuana in the home in the presence of the child. In addition, there is concern for the safety of the child due to a domestic disturbance and threats made toward law enforcement by the father.”
Returning to the Avalanche's narrative, when police and CPS workers arrived to seize the child, Reddie then reportedly displayed a pcoketknife and lunged at them. Crawford County Deputy John Klepadlo shot and killed him. Police had been deploying Tasers, but holstered them and grabbed their guns when Reddie displayed the knife.
Crawford County Sheriff Kirk Wakefield then asked the Michigan State Police to investigate his deputy's use of deadly force. The Michigan Attorney General's Office referred the case to the neighboring Roscommon County Prosecutor's Office. After receiving a report from the State Police, Roscommon County DA Mark Jernigan determined that the use of deadly force was justified and that Klepadlo would not be charged with any crime.
"The deceased was in possession of an edged weapon," Jernigan said. "The deceased pulled a knife and hid it behind his back. At the point where he pulls his hand forward and lunges at the officer, he is in such close proximity, and presents a clear danger of deadly force, the officer is left with no option other than to use deadly force to protect himself, the other officer and the three civilians that were present. The use of deadly force is completely justified and therefore, the homicide was justified."
Toxicology reports, which were included in the final investigation, showed there was no marijuana or alcohol in Reddie's system when he was killed.
Reddie had been seeking permanent custody of his son and was due in court for a hearing on that matter three days after he was killed.
"They took the only thing he ever loved," Reddie's mother, Michelle VanBuren, told the Avalanche after the prosecutor's announcement.
VanBuren said she was baffled by the conduct of authorities, especially since no evidence or alcohol or marijuana use was found. She said she had been in contact with her son throughout that day.
"I was on the phone with my son all day, and that cop was bullying him and harassing him so badly," she said. "Where was protect and serve?" VanBuren asked. "The officers always have to stick together and for them to do this is just totally uncalled for."
VanBuren said the family would continue to fight to ensure that CPS and law enforcement are held accountable for their actions. "They need to be held accountable and they will be held accountable believe you me," she said.
Reddie's family is not alone in questioning police and CPS actions. “I can’t believe they (police) could not subdue Will without killing him, and over what, marijuana,” said Joanne Michal, who knew Reddie for half of his life. “Why didn’t police just arrest him or cite him for marijuana instead of removing his child?” she told the Herald-Times.
“It is particularly sad that Will was shot to death right in front of his son,” Michal continued. “Why not use a Taser? Even if he (Will) had a knife and lunged at police, they didn’t have to kill him. Instead of using a Taser, you shoot him in front of his child. It is just totally unjustified. They didn’t have to kill him. I think it’s very sad that his life was taken during the removal of his son. And the smell of marijuana shouldn’t have been a reason for an emergency order. Just a few days before he was killed, Will was visiting, and he was so excited because a hearing was coming up for custody. And it seemed to give him hope of getting permanent custody. His son was everything to him.”
Crawford County Clerk Sandra Moore said she also knew Reddie. “It’s truly a shame,”Moore said. “He was a good guy and very fond of his son. He had been very excited just days before” about gaining permanent custody.
Cameron Reddie is now in foster care. His father's family is seeking visitation rights.
Meanwhile, Deputy Klepadlo, who had been on administrative leave after the shooting, is back on the job.
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: dwpineal]
#15994573 - 03/25/12 03:37 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: Inspiration]
#15994594 - 03/25/12 03:41 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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There should be a petition to bring justice to this man and charge the officer who killed him with murder.
If this case gained national attention like the Trayvon case, it might help bring justice to this guy and even maybe help bring people to question the war on drugs by putting this issue into the spotlight.
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: dwpineal]
#15994599 - 03/25/12 03:42 PM (12 years, 25 days ago) |
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crazy story.
1st the guy was an idiot for having a knife out around cops and probably a little bipolar or something
however, if cops all ready had tazers out why didn't they use those to combat his advances? you don't always need to implement deadly force to protect one's self. IMO tazer > pocket knife.
and the kicker...
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Toxicology reports, which were included in the final investigation, showed there was no marijuana or alcohol in Reddie's system when he was killed.
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: bait_]
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: bait_]
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Thats so fucked up, great way to 'protect the children' by killing his father right before his eyes over a fucking plant, had his father been an alcoholic that would be a much worse situation for the kid to be in, but that would have been fine...
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: dwpineal]
#15994633 - 03/25/12 03:48 PM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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Wow... this is completely fucked.
The father became agitated.. wow, I wonder why? They attempted to take his son away from him just because a cop "smelled marijuana".
And they fucking killed him in front of the kid? That is truly despicable.
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“It is particularly sad that Will was shot to death right in front of his son,” Michal continued. “Why not use a Taser? Even if he (Will) had a knife and lunged at police, they didn’t have to kill him. Instead of using a Taser, you shoot him in front of his child. It is just totally unjustified. They didn’t have to kill him. I think it’s very sad that his life was taken during the removal of his son. And the smell of marijuana shouldn’t have been a reason for an emergency order.
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: Celestial Traveler]
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There should be a petition to bring justice to this man and charge the officer who killed him with murder.
If this case gained national attention like the Trayvon case, it might help bring justice to this guy and even maybe help bring people to question the war on drugs by putting this issue into the spotlight.
thats a good idea i would sign that. the fact that he had no thc in his system is crazy too, i bet if he had been high at the time he wouldnt have had a knife and lunged at the cop. what if that person had just had a few beers instead of smoking? the kid would probably in worse hands with drunk adults compared to stoned adults but the cops wouldve never known. ill informed cops kill a guy, he was stupid to do what he did but so uncalled for. i feel so bad for that kid, not only is his father dead but he saw it thats crazy...
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#15994734 - 03/25/12 04:05 PM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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fuck the cops
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: bait_]
#15994814 - 03/25/12 04:20 PM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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so they had time to holster their tazers and draw a gun out of a double lock holster.... Yeah totally murder. Fuckin dumbasses
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#15994994 - 03/25/12 04:56 PM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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So fucking sad.
Pigs are dirty, what else can I say? Our "freedom," or what little is left of it, is slowly being stripped away bit by bit.
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: Freedreamer]
#15995167 - 03/25/12 05:53 PM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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police are nothing more than fucking pigs.
Once a person becomes a police, they are no longer human. They are shit.
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: Visschman]
#15995598 - 03/25/12 07:15 PM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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also what is this from?!
also WHO THE HELL ARE YOU?! WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?! (reg date and 3 posts)
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#15995929 - 03/25/12 08:18 PM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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There should be a petition to bring justice to this man and charge the officer who killed him with murder.
If this case gained national attention like the Trayvon case, it might help bring justice to this guy and even maybe help bring people to question the war on drugs by putting this issue into the spotlight.
Wow fuck that. He pulled out a knife so they used deadly force, or do would you prefer people let themselves get stabbed? The father was a fucking idiot and people who are reckless and violent get what's coming when they pull out a knife. The real issue is the fact that courts can take kids away because their parents smoke weed.
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: bait_]
#15995950 - 03/25/12 08:22 PM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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That cop is scum, and the DA is lower than scum for trying to justify a murderer.
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#15995956 - 03/25/12 08:23 PM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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police are nothing more than fucking pigs.
Once a person becomes a police, they are no longer human. They are shit.
I hope you don't call police in an emergency or else it'd make you a hypocrite. The ridiculousness of this statement is why drug users and policy reformers don't make progress. What you start being ignorant and group people together you hurt progress.
I don't like most police either. That doesn't mean they aren't human and deserve every right to self defense that I do. That doesn't mean all police are pieces of shit.
God damn you all sound like such fucking bigots it's disgusting you post this shit on such a progressive and intellectual forum. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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That cop is scum, and the DA is lower than scum for trying to justify a murderer.
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: Dragonaut]
#15996055 - 03/25/12 08:48 PM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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Should have had an AK-47 and a vest instead of a pocketknife.
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: dwpineal]
#15996190 - 03/25/12 09:13 PM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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withoutawire said:
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Celestial Traveler said:
There should be a petition to bring justice to this man and charge the officer who killed him with murder.
If this case gained national attention like the Trayvon case, it might help bring justice to this guy and even maybe help bring people to question the war on drugs by putting this issue into the spotlight.
Wow fuck that. He pulled out a knife so they used deadly force, or do would you prefer people let themselves get stabbed? The father was a fucking idiot and people who are reckless and violent get what's coming when they pull out a knife. The real issue is the fact that courts can take kids away because their parents smoke weed.
Wow you must be like the biggest asshole on the planet.
The real issue is the fact that
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[Toxicology reports, which were included in the final investigation, showed there was no marijuana or alcohol in Reddie's system when he was killed.
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: Humility] 1
#15996199 - 03/25/12 09:14 PM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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so thier was nothing in his system. So he did not smoke in front of his kid. So if they lie about that i say the knife is a lie too.
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: deadmeat986]
#15996202 - 03/25/12 09:15 PM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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so thier was nothing in his system. So he did not smoke in front of his kid. So if they lie about that i say the knife is a lie too.
My point exactly.
Also if they had time to put the taser away and pull the gun out, then they also should have had the time to just tase him.
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#15996230 - 03/25/12 09:18 PM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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Horrifying.
I hope the officers mental state crumbles to pieces, as it will. As he deserves.
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: Kupo]
#15996267 - 03/25/12 09:23 PM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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I am NOT in favor of harming ANYONE but I do advocate self defense and defense of one's family. It's worth noting you need to realize that violence against authorities however will often result in unintended consequences for you, usually death or imprisonment.
I can't see myself letting anyone take my kids though.
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: dwpineal]
#15996441 - 03/25/12 09:52 PM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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What a sick story. The worst part is the fact that he didn't even have any pot. There never was any odor of marijuana, or any reality to the claims that he was smoking. This was a completely normal guy who wasn't even doing anything wrong, and they used marijuana to justify shooting him dead infront of his son.
I don't care if he had a knife, the fact is that since he had absolutely no marijuana or pipes, bongs, etc. they never should have been there in the first place. What the fuck happened to due process? Anyone's children can now be taken away without any evidence, or trial, or due process of any kind just because some asshole neighbor thinks they might have smoked a joint once?
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#15996460 - 03/25/12 09:57 PM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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Horrifying.
I hope the officers mental state crumbles to pieces, as it will. As he deserves.
Why are you so sure of this? My guess is that he will continue to feel justified about the incident. And I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he kills again.
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#15996462 - 03/25/12 09:57 PM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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WTF they pulled out their guns to shoot him when they already had tasers out? they were gona take his child away because they smelled pot when in fact he was clean? this story is fucked up, something needs to be done about this.
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#15997218 - 03/26/12 01:48 AM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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it's a pretty fucking sick country we live in where using herb while parenting(which he was not!) is punishable by removal of the child, but it's ok to let the child witness his father being murdered by his kidnappers! imagine if this was a civillian in the cop's place here. i doubt it would be so easy to prove your innocense and you'd get a manslaughter charge.
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#15997248 - 03/26/12 02:01 AM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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That's absolutely fucking despicable if this is true
Absolutely sickening that someone who claims they are your "authority" because they wear a costume and have a shiny badge can play a theatrical game with a "court" who supposedly holds itself on a high horse above everyone and get a piece of paper granting them "authority" to take your children from you just because they think you smoke marijuana inside your own home. Seriously the so called society is nothing more than an insane asylum. An insane asylum where justification for murdering someone comes from some pseudo authoritative system backed up by machine guns and fascist pigs. There is no justice and there is no order, if you want order and justice you gotta go out and take it.
That means doing anything to protect your family, BLOW HIS FUCKING HEAD OFF IF HE COMES NEAR YOUR KID. Shit blow his fucking head off even if he makes the slightest gesture towards a threat at you.
We'll see what kind of authority he has in hell
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: wowwtf]
#15997672 - 03/26/12 07:43 AM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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"The deceased was in possession of an edged weapon," Jernigan said. "The deceased pulled a knife and hid it behind his back. At the point where he pulls his hand forward and lunges at the officer, he is in such close proximity, and presents a clear danger of deadly force, the officer is left with no option other than to use deadly force to protect himself, the other officer and the three civilians that were present. The use of deadly force is completely justified and therefore, the homicide was justified."
Sure, going after an officer in close proximity holding a knife is goint to get you shot.
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Returning to the Avalanche's narrative, when police and CPS workers arrived to seize the child, Reddie then reportedly displayed a pcoketknife and lunged at them. Crawford County Deputy John Klepadlo shot and killed him. Police had been deploying Tasers, but holstered them and grabbed their guns when Reddie displayed the knife.
BUT Wait a minute here! He pulls out a knife and lunges at you and you have time to holster your taser and then unholster your gun?
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: dwpineal]
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HOpe those police officers rot in the depths of hell 
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#15998280 - 03/26/12 11:18 AM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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There should be a petition to bring justice to this man and charge the officer who killed him with murder.
If this case gained national attention like the Trayvon case, it might help bring justice to this guy and even maybe help bring people to question the war on drugs by putting this issue into the spotlight.
Wow fuck that. He pulled out a knife so they used deadly force, or do would you prefer people let themselves get stabbed? The father was a fucking idiot and people who are reckless and violent get what's coming when they pull out a knife. The real issue is the fact that courts can take kids away because their parents smoke weed.
Exactly, that's the problem. No one made those cops do that, they chose to do that. I would prefer they weren't there at all. They decided to try and take a fathers son away from him, what did THEY expect? Yeah, the father was an idiot, trying to stab a cop but I don't blame him at all for wanting to do it. His only mistake I guess then was not having a gun and being smart enough to kill them all first. I have a 4year old son and I would kill anyone who tries to take him for me, especially if it's over something like a fucking plant. That's MY duty as a father, to protect my son. Not let a group of armed strangers forcfully take him from me.
EDIT: Also, I didn't read anything about them actually finding any weed there? This was started from an unrelated call before and a cop thought MAYBE he smelled some weed? wow...
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FlusH said:
police are nothing more than fucking pigs.
Once a person becomes a police, they are no longer human. They are shit.
I hope you don't call police in an emergency or else it'd make you a hypocrite. The ridiculousness of this statement is why drug users and policy reformers don't make progress. What you start being ignorant and group people together you hurt progress.
I don't like most police either. That doesn't mean they aren't human and deserve every right to self defense that I do. That doesn't mean all police are pieces of shit.
God damn you all sound like such fucking bigots it's disgusting you post this shit on such a progressive and intellectual forum. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: Shroom Queen]
#15998633 - 03/26/12 12:39 PM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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I have a 4year old son and I would kill anyone who tries to take him for me, especially if it's over something like a fucking plant. That's MY duty as a father, to protect my son. Not let a group of armed strangers forcfully take him from me.
Right on brah; couldn't have said it better myself.
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: withoutawire] 2
#15999420 - 03/26/12 03:32 PM (12 years, 24 days ago) |
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I hope you don't call police in an emergency or else it'd make you a hypocrite. The ridiculousness of this statement is why drug users and policy reformers don't make progress. What you start being ignorant and group people together you hurt progress.
If you're having an emergency and you call the police for help, you are retarded.
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: Liverwort]
#16000604 - 03/26/12 07:46 PM (12 years, 23 days ago) |
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In this case, I find the cop's decision to be somewhat justified. I say that, because the father did have a knife, and that is reasonable to say that he was a threat to the cop. I can't justify charging the officer with murder.
That being said, I don't think it's right at all what happened. Just because cops smell the odor of pot is NOT grounds to take away that person's child. More interesting is the fact that no THC was found in the man's system.
You know, from an outside perspective it does seem like he was crazy for doing what he did - but let me ask any parent out there, wouldn't you fight too if somebody was trying to take away your child, especially over something you didn't even do?
It sounds to me like this man was a good father, and was willing to do anything it took for his child, even if that meant his own life. All I'm saying is if I were the one in this situation, they'd better kill me cause the only way they're gonna take my kid like that is over my dead body! Is it right? Probably not, but it's the truth I think for plenty of parents out there.
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: Liverwort]
#16000848 - 03/26/12 08:35 PM (12 years, 23 days ago) |
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Horrifying.
I hope the officers mental state crumbles to pieces, as it will. As he deserves.
Why are you so sure of this? My guess is that he will continue to feel justified about the incident. And I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he kills again.
I am not so sure to be certain. It was more of a hope for his suffering because of this act. But truly, he is probably already suffering.
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#16002170 - 03/27/12 03:50 AM (12 years, 23 days ago) |
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There should be a petition to bring justice to this man and charge the officer who killed him with murder.
If this case gained national attention like the Trayvon case, it might help bring justice to this guy and even maybe help bring people to question the war on drugs by putting this issue into the spotlight.
Agreed this should reach the public this is Down rright Murder
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: dwpineal]
#16002337 - 03/27/12 06:09 AM (12 years, 23 days ago) |
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so the dad pulled a knife on a cop when he knew he had nothing to hide and knew there was no reason for them to take his kid? i kind of think the whole knife thing is just a story made up to get some reckless cop who accidentally shot a guy for no reason off the hook
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: FlashLightning]
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so treyvon gets all kinds of attention cause he was a minority but this guys story wont break onto any major news corps because he was a "dirty" drug user?
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: Tripbin]
#16005222 - 03/27/12 07:18 PM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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Treyvon was a "dirty" drug user too. I agree with you tho. My sympathies to his family aside, it's not fair how Martin's case is all over the news, but Shroomery is the only place where I've heard about this Michigan father.
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: withoutawire] 2
#16006252 - 03/27/12 11:10 PM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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police are nothing more than fucking pigs.
Once a person becomes a police, they are no longer human. They are shit.
I hope you don't call police in an emergency or else it'd make you a hypocrite. The ridiculousness of this statement is why drug users and policy reformers don't make progress. What you start being ignorant and group people together you hurt progress.
I don't like most police either. That doesn't mean they aren't human and deserve every right to self defense that I do. That doesn't mean all police are pieces of shit.
God damn you all sound like such fucking bigots it's disgusting you post this shit on such a progressive and intellectual forum. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Before I had this perspective, I had 3 break in's at my house. Each time the cops were called only for them to either not show up, show up very late. and with each case they were completely useless.
The reason they are not worth being called human is because they get paid for enforcing corrupt rules made by politicians. And they have no moral issues with this.
I have been profiled by police. I have been harassed by police. every single time I have been innocent. I have been interrogated for several hours at US/Canada customs under the asumption I was trafficking drugs when I was doing nothing wrong. I was let go, but only after being strip searched, car searched, and yelled at for 3 hours being called a lier and threats of being cavity searched.
When you have to deal with the cops and get treated like this, come back and tell me how you feel then.
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Re: Michigan Father Killed in Marijuana Child Removal Incident [Re: FlashLightning]
#16006262 - 03/27/12 11:13 PM (12 years, 22 days ago) |
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FlashLightning said:
so the dad pulled a knife on a cop when he knew he had nothing to hide and knew there was no reason for them to take his kid? i kind of think the whole knife thing is just a story made up to get some reckless cop who accidentally shot a guy for no reason off the hook
I would not put this past the pigs at all. they are allowed to lie to entrap people, why would they not lye to protect themselfs.
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