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InvisibleinfidelGOD
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Re: Question. [Re: ]
    #1599426 - 06/01/03 08:21 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I would hate to live in a univserse where all that exists is all that can be quantified by the human mind.

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OfflineStrumpling
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Re: Question. [Re: ]
    #1599456 - 06/01/03 08:32 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

"For a purely philosophical perspective, as I said to Markos, any thing is an entity, even a thought or a meme."

...and why you're repeating this to me I do not know.


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InvisibleShroomismM
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Re: Question. [Re: ]
    #1599458 - 06/01/03 08:33 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I do not see the wind, yet I would be foolish to deny existance of it. I can feel it, I can see it moving the trees, that's enough for me.

I do not see spirit, yet etcetera, etcetera, etcetera


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OfflineMurex
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Re: Question. [Re: ]
    #1599777 - 06/01/03 09:53 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Like Markos was talking about earlier, metaphysics isn't really based on anything scientific for the most part, but SOMETHING has to happen afterwards (after death), and we humans want to theroize about what happens after death and all that. But anyways, something that has not been quantified can exist, we just might not know it does yet. We don't know everything yet, so saying 'all we know is all there is until we know exactly what else there is is.' is stupid (not intentionally directed at Sclorch or Swami).  :blush:

It really depends on what your subject under speculation is Mr.M- We might know 'it' is there, but we just don't know everything about it yet. So an answer to your question would be: Maybe yes, maybe no.


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


Edited by Murex (06/01/03 09:57 PM)

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Anonymous

Re: Question. [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1599839 - 06/01/03 10:16 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

I would hate to live in a univserse where all that exists is all that can be quantified by the human mind.





I am truly sorry about that. By 'quantify' I mean assigning attributes, not as in "totally understanding".

It is in our nature to assign attributes. It is the way we understand.

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Anonymous

Re: Question. [Re: Strumpling]
    #1599845 - 06/01/03 10:18 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

"For a purely philosophical perspective, as I said to Markos, any thing is an entity, even a thought or a meme."

...and why you're repeating this to me I do not know.




I just thought you would rather be replied to than be ignored. I have made a note of this for future reference.

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OfflineMurex
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Re: Question. [Re: ]
    #1599859 - 06/01/03 10:24 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

LOL! This topic seems too unimportant and vague for me to waste time on thinking about. It's too easy to get confuzed by what is meant by what you said and what you meant, but I suppose that happens. Maybe I'm just not able to grasp what you're talkin about there Mr.Mushrooms.

It's good to see you post something. I usually never see you very involved in the topics discussed. It's nice that you active.

:wink:


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


Edited by Murex (06/01/03 10:26 PM)

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Anonymous

Re: Question. [Re: Murex]
    #1599872 - 06/01/03 10:29 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks Murex.

I would respond more often if I weren't always moderating. :frown:

Changes will be coming to fix that.

Cheers,

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InvisibleRebelSteve33
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Re: Question. [Re: Murex]
    #1599873 - 06/01/03 10:30 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

ditto.

I read through all the replies, though, and some people had some really interesting things to say.

I liked your comment on the wind, Shroomism.

Peace,

RebelSteve


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Namaste.

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Anonymous

Re: Question. [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1599880 - 06/01/03 10:33 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

There is more here than meets the eye. :wink:

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InvisibleRebelSteve33
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Re: Question. [Re: ]
    #1599883 - 06/01/03 10:33 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Well, duh! :tongue: :wink:


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Namaste.

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Anonymous

Re: Question. [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1599888 - 06/01/03 10:35 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

:grin:

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InvisibleinfidelGOD
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Re: Question. [Re: ]
    #1599902 - 06/01/03 10:40 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

to clarify, I was saying that I don't think that the only things that exist are things that can be quantified by humans. I also think humans tend to quantify a lot of things that don't exist.

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InvisibleShroomismM
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Re: Question. [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1599910 - 06/01/03 10:43 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

That's my default response for people who tell me they don't believe in what they can't see. I say, can you see your brain? Can you see the wind? Then why do you believe in it?


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Anonymous

Re: Question. [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1599918 - 06/01/03 10:46 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Instead of responding directly I rated you a 5. Your views, while I do not agree with all of them, have been a delightful contribution to this forum!

I always enjoy reading them whether I agree with them or not.

Cheers,

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InvisibleinfidelGOD
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Re: Question. [Re: ]
    #1599982 - 06/01/03 11:09 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

thanks :smile:  I try.. well... not really :grin:
 

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Offline11polakie11
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Re: Question. [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1600938 - 06/02/03 09:01 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

perhaps I am confused,

Mr Mushrooms do you mean quantify as in "quantity, numbers, measures" etc?

or qualify as in "perceived and assigned attributes to understand" ?


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_I wish i were Aeon Flux_

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Anonymous

Re: Question. [Re: 11polakie11]
    #1601125 - 06/02/03 10:42 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

A newer meaning for 'quantify' is more like the later definition you gave. It includes both meanings though.

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