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Re: how and why is blackface offensive? [Re: sun_spots] * 1
    #15976710 - 03/21/12 02:26 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: how and why is blackface offensive? [Re: DieCommie]
    #15976725 - 03/21/12 02:30 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah and im sure you know the story behind ted danson doing that too . When we talk of black face this is what most people think of . So lets not water it down.

I mean I understand racism it can be forged by experiences or our upbringing , The key is to break that cycle and realizes that not all of those types of people are bad even if a majority of them are assholes in there dealing with you.

Way to hungover and stoned to think clearly


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Re: how and why is blackface offensive? [Re: trekie]
    #15977975 - 03/21/12 07:14 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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trekie said:
Yeah and im sure you know the story behind ted danson doing that too . When we talk of black face this is what most people think of . So lets not water it down.

I mean I understand racism it can be forged by experiences or our upbringing , The key is to break that cycle and realizes that not all of those types of people are bad even if a majority of them are assholes in there dealing with you.

Way to hungover and stoned to think clearly




I would say in most cases white on black racism is a result of personal life experiences. I live in the south and even here I was always told "they are just like us," and thought so too until I realized out how most behave and that overall blacks are much more racist than whites.


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Re: how and why is blackface offensive? [Re: sun_spots] * 1
    #15978077 - 03/21/12 07:42 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:

there's no such thing as reverse racism, the reverse would be non-racist,






Thank you very much!  I've been trying to tell people this for years, and they all think I'm crazy.  Well, I may be crazy, but I know the definition of racism and it doesn't include a clause about the term only applying to white-to-black racism.





you are a woman and a redhead... crazy is an understatement :smilingpuppy:


it shows the ignorance of most people and the politically correct bullshit


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Re: how and why is blackface offensive? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #15978314 - 03/21/12 08:54 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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farCaster said:
As long as young black men in America are being shot by racist shitbags, just for being BLACK, then racism is not OK, not funny, and clearly asymetric. I know that when this topic comes up on the shroomery everyone offers up examples of reverse racism, where "blacks" demonstrate some problem with whitey. That's because this site appears to be fucking racist, on balance.





there's no such thing as reverse racism, the reverse would be non-racist,
also, there's more crimes perpetrated against whites by blacks than the
other way around. the Trayvon Martin case is one of 20,000+ shootings in
the US each year. Martin got into an altercation with George Zimmerman who
did the shooting, there were numerous witnesses to the event many of whom
had called the police, this wasnt a situation where a white man just walked
up to a black man a shot him. it's a situation where a black man was in a
gated community that had suffered numerous break ins in the previous
months. a few facts. Tracy Martin, Trayvons father didnt live in the
community inside the gates meaning that travon had jumped the fence or was
otherwise trespassing. fences are put up around things to either contain
things from getting out or to remind people they are not to enter

it's dark, raining and martin had his hood up, he's spotted from behind by
a neighborhood watch dumbass who follows him, how was zimmerman supposed to
know the race of martin in order to single him out

what race is these people because that's what zimmerman saw
  [... images removed]




Leave it to Pris to defend Zimmerman. He said "black male" early in his call, and later called him "fucking coon". So already you are proven wrong. Witnesses also say he was straddling the young man when they first looked out after the shot. The cops of course tried to suppress all of this, and they (their department) are going to get their asses sued off.

My point is, and I know this goes beyond the simple "blackface" argument, that in the US especially white against black racism is endemic culturally, and systemic in its application, law enforceemnt being the obvious example but there are others.

An earlier poster said something about a gang of blacks jumping whites, others refer to various anecdotal evidence of black vs white racism. I misused "reverse racism", I'll concede that, but that is simply semantics. My point is, this is a deep heritage in the US and the west ingeneral, and as much as people want to shout that it is over, that they do it too, that "I am not racist", many whites are and don't know it. It is a deeply ingrained sickness, and it takes a lot of self-honesty to recognize it in oneself. This I think is something you lack, but we can all learn and grow so I hold out hope for you.

Lastly, this site is actually rampant with overt racism, it is clearly tolerated, and it is pretty nauseating. I guess I should go elsewhere because I am a n***** lover, but if ONE person takes a closer look at themselves due to my comments then it was worth it.


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Re: how and why is blackface offensive? [Re: farCaster]
    #15978392 - 03/21/12 09:12 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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farCaster said:
Leave it to Pris to defend Zimmerman. He said "black male" early in his call, and later called him "fucking coon". So already you are proven wrong. Witnesses also say he was straddling the young man when they first looked out after the shot. The cops of course tried to suppress all of this, and they (their department) are going to get their asses sued off.




everything I've seen hasnt used any of what you're claiming, they've used other means of censoring the words such as "#$&!@" to indicate something vulgar was said... of course it sounds to me like you're just repeating gossip

published 2 hours ago
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/11758247-911-call-recordings-released-in-the-trayvon-martin-shooting-case
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Recordings of the 911 calls made by witnesses of the Trayvon Martin shooting case and George Zimmerman, the man who shot Martin, have been released.

Social media is buzzing with the shooting case of Trayvon Martin, as people from all around the world want justice for the teenage Florida boy, Trayvon Martin, who got shot by a white male. The shooter is George Zimmerman, who was a neighborhood watch captain on duty on the day he killed Martin and made a 911 call before shooting him to report Martin’s “suspicious activity” in the neighborhood. The police dispatcher told Zimmerman to wait for police cars to arrive and not follow the “suspicious person,” but he did otherwise. According to details, Zimmerman killed Martin just for being "black" and the 911 call recordings released recently also point towards that direction.

Even after admitting killing Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman was not arrested. Police haven't made arrest on the grounds of a Florida law called "Stand Your Ground". But now people from all over the world, including celebrities, are demanding Zimmerman's arrest and an investigation into the case.

The 911 calls made by the witnesses and Zimmerman on February 26, the day Martin got killed, have been released in eight recordings. Listeners can hear the frightened voices of neighbors calling to report screams for help, a gunfire and that someone was dead. In the chilling recordings, Trayvon can also be heard, screaming "No! No!" and then continuing to wail.

In the recording of the 911 call made by Zimmerman, he is heard saying to the dispatcher, "This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. He's just staring, looking at all the houses. Now he's coming toward me. He's got his hand in his waistband. Something's wrong with him."

"These assholes always get away," he says to the operator. Zimmerman is then heard giving directions to the dispatcher. "Shit, he's running," Zimmerman says.

Zimmerman then tells the dispatcher that the boy has started running and he is going after him. The operator tells Zimmerman not to follow him, but he doesn’t listen. Then a fight between the two follows and eventually a gunshot is heard.

Several people called 911 and reported that a black male teen had been shot and that a white male had shot him.

According to some listeners, they think George Zimmerman also says, "fuckin' 'coons".





so, some people claim there was racial slurs yet the call from zimmerman
doesnt reflect it, some claim that he was shot for simply being black, you
yourself make that claim yet there's no indication that zimmerman knew the
color of the man's skin until the guy turned around and came at him nd even
then gave no indication....

leave it to pris to want the truth


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My point is, and I know this goes beyond the simple "blackface" argument, that in the US especially white against black racism is endemic culturally, and systemic in its application, law enforceemnt being the obvious example but there are others.




racism exists, no one argues that, zimmerman may well be a racist, we dont
know that, there is no proof of racism other than the rumpos you're
spreading along with millions of other race baiters that this was racially
motivated and not a simple case of self defense

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"I am not racist", many whites are and don't know it. It is a deeply ingrained sickness





fat load of horse shit



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Lastly, this site is actually rampant with overt racism, it is clearly tolerated, and it is pretty nauseating. I guess I should go elsewhere because I am a n***** lover, but if ONE person takes a closer look at themselves due to my comments then it was worth it.





waaaaa. the whole fucking world is full of racism, of course there's a few
here but in all honesty a simple discussion on the subject doesnt make
people racists but claims such as this certainly make you a race baiter


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Re: how and why is blackface offensive? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #15978467 - 03/21/12 09:26 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

:feelsnegroman:  :niggawhy:  :snoop:  :thousandisland:  :freshwtf:  :omfg:  :whatwhat:  :awedrugs:  :chillin:  :angrykidface:

It's only racist if it has to do with people of partial African decent. If they are white, Asian, Mexican, it (apparently) doesn't matter.


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Re: how and why is blackface offensive? [Re: CrossingTheStar]
    #15978524 - 03/21/12 09:38 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

From my experience, black people as a population are significantly more racist than any other race (if you condsider them a race but that's probably against shroomery rules to discuss). They particularly hate (yes i mean hate) asians, followed by white people then mexicans.


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Re: how and why is blackface offensive? [Re: CrossingTheStar]
    #15978527 - 03/21/12 09:39 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Pris, I think you are being intellectually dishonest in some of your arguments. For instance, if you think it is a "fat load of horse shit" that some people are racist and don't even know it, that is enough for me to know that you are ignorant with regard to human psychology. I am not going to bother explaining it as clearly, you will not get it. To be honest you sound like a child.

I just hope that some of the young people on this site will look more closely at their assumptions and reflexive thinking; likely if they open their eyes they will begin to see the cultural underpinnings of racism, and realize it is more prevalent than most are capable of admitting.


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Re: how and why is blackface offensive? [Re: farCaster]
    #15978587 - 03/21/12 09:51 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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farCaster said:
Pris, I think you are being intellectually dishonest in some of your arguments. For instance, if you think it is a "fat load of horse shit" that some people are racist and don't even know it, that is enough for me to know that you are ignorant with regard to human psychology. I am not going to bother explaining it as clearly, you will not get it. To be honest you sound like a child.




the fat load of horse shit is the part about it being a sickness, much like
alcoholism being a sickness, it's an excuse and nothing more to allow
them to abdicate the responsibility of their behavior. why should they be
given that privileged

the former is obviously true, you certainly dont seem to see the fact that
you're as racist as the next and denying it as well. you make the
assumption that this was racial, you propagate the racial motives that are
speculation, you then condemn racism in others... did you condemn the
racists that were pissed that zimmerman was hispanic instead of white? have
you condemned the racists that voted for obama because he was black? what
about those that insist that a garbled word had to be coon instead of loon,
goon or even punk.


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Re: how and why is blackface offensive? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #15978947 - 03/21/12 11:12 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Recordings of the 911 calls made by witnesses of the Trayvon Martin shooting case and George Zimmerman, the man who shot Martin, have been released.

Social media is buzzing with the shooting case of Trayvon Martin, as people from all around the world want justice for the teenage Florida boy, Trayvon Martin, who got shot by a white male. The shooter is George Zimmerman, who was a neighborhood watch captain on duty on the day he killed Martin and made a 911 call before shooting him to report Martin’s “suspicious activity” in the neighborhood. The police dispatcher told Zimmerman to wait for police cars to arrive and not follow the “suspicious person,” but he did otherwise. According to details, Zimmerman killed Martin just for being "black" and the 911 call recordings released recently also point towards that direction.

Even after admitting killing Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman was not arrested. Police haven't made arrest on the grounds of a Florida law called "Stand Your Ground". But now people from all over the world, including celebrities, are demanding Zimmerman's arrest and an investigation into the case.

The 911 calls made by the witnesses and Zimmerman on February 26, the day Martin got killed, have been released in eight recordings. Listeners can hear the frightened voices of neighbors calling to report screams for help, a gunfire and that someone was dead. In the chilling recordings, Trayvon can also be heard, screaming "No! No!" and then continuing to wail.

In the recording of the 911 call made by Zimmerman, he is heard saying to the dispatcher, "This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. He's just staring, looking at all the houses. Now he's coming toward me. He's got his hand in his waistband. Something's wrong with him."

"These assholes always get away," he says to the operator. Zimmerman is then heard giving directions to the dispatcher. "Shit, he's running," Zimmerman says.

Zimmerman then tells the dispatcher that the boy has started running and he is going after him. The operator tells Zimmerman not to follow him, but he doesn’t listen. Then a fight between the two follows and eventually a gunshot is heard.

Several people called 911 and reported that a black male teen had been shot and that a white male had shot him.

According to some listeners, they think George Zimmerman also says, "fuckin' 'coons".





LOL, did you really just quote all this shit, and not comment on the audacity of all this? Fuck I knew you wouldnt last un-nignored for long. You're hilariously stubborn.

If I could count the amount of time I went for a SIMPLE WALK in some neighbourhood, and happened to be looking at houses.

THANK FUCKING GOD IM A WHITE MALE, or my ass would be shot to hell by now. Jesus fucking fuck


EDIT: And how can someone be 'coming towards me' and 'leaving so im following him' at the same time? Are you fucking kidding me?


Fuck, I just realized I should avoid this stupid thread. Cool beans


Edited by Azure Essence (03/21/12 11:17 PM)


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Re: how and why is blackface offensive? [Re: farCaster]
    #15979011 - 03/21/12 11:32 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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farCaster said:
I just hope that some of the young people on this site will look more closely at their assumptions and reflexive thinking






I think this is a great point

did you happen to look more closely for any photos of Treyvon Martin since
his 13th birthday? why are all of them of young 12yo or under Treyvon, is
the media leading us by the nose?



here's treyvon with his gangsta grill growing some gold teeth at the age of
14yo... I wonder what treyvon looked like at 15, 16 and 17? I wonder what
kind of record he's been racking up, what kind of crowd he'd been running
with... why did hi father lecture him in the most bigoted fashion about how
the white man is out to get him right before he went to get skittles? why
arent they showing us Treyvon's recent pics?




you're absolutely right, we should look deeper... should I keep looking?
maybe I'll find some gang affiliations, maybe we'll find that this was a
plan by him an his father to garner a lawsuit that went horribly awry,
maybe we discover that he was smoking crack, casing apartments so he and
his father could rob them later. 


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-03-20/trayvon-martin-teen-shot-stereotypes/53677634/1
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Before his son's death, Tracy Martin warned son Trayvon that being a black man in America could be dangerous.

"I've always let him know we as African Americans get stereotyped," Tracy Martin told USA TODAY. "I told him that society is cruel."




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Re: how and why is blackface offensive? [Re: Azure Essence]
    #15979037 - 03/21/12 11:38 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Azure Essence said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
Recordings of the 911 calls made by witnesses of the Trayvon Martin shooting case and George Zimmerman, the man who shot Martin, have been released.

Social media is buzzing with the shooting case of Trayvon Martin, as people from all around the world want justice for the teenage Florida boy, Trayvon Martin, who got shot by a white male. The shooter is George Zimmerman, who was a neighborhood watch captain on duty on the day he killed Martin and made a 911 call before shooting him to report Martin’s “suspicious activity” in the neighborhood. The police dispatcher told Zimmerman to wait for police cars to arrive and not follow the “suspicious person,” but he did otherwise. According to details, Zimmerman killed Martin just for being "black" and the 911 call recordings released recently also point towards that direction.

Even after admitting killing Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman was not arrested. Police haven't made arrest on the grounds of a Florida law called "Stand Your Ground". But now people from all over the world, including celebrities, are demanding Zimmerman's arrest and an investigation into the case.

The 911 calls made by the witnesses and Zimmerman on February 26, the day Martin got killed, have been released in eight recordings. Listeners can hear the frightened voices of neighbors calling to report screams for help, a gunfire and that someone was dead. In the chilling recordings, Trayvon can also be heard, screaming "No! No!" and then continuing to wail.

In the recording of the 911 call made by Zimmerman, he is heard saying to the dispatcher, "This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. He's just staring, looking at all the houses. Now he's coming toward me. He's got his hand in his waistband. Something's wrong with him."

"These assholes always get away," he says to the operator. Zimmerman is then heard giving directions to the dispatcher. "Shit, he's running," Zimmerman says.

Zimmerman then tells the dispatcher that the boy has started running and he is going after him. The operator tells Zimmerman not to follow him, but he doesn’t listen. Then a fight between the two follows and eventually a gunshot is heard.

Several people called 911 and reported that a black male teen had been shot and that a white male had shot him.

According to some listeners, they think George Zimmerman also says, "fuckin' 'coons".





LOL, did you really just quote all this shit, and not comment on the audacity of all this? Fuck I knew you wouldnt last un-nignored for long. You're hilariously stubborn.

If I could count the amount of time I went for a SIMPLE WALK in some neighbourhood, and happened to be looking at houses.

THANK FUCKING GOD IM A WHITE MALE, or my ass would be shot to hell by now. Jesus fucking fuck


EDIT: And how can someone be 'coming towards me' and 'leaving so im following him' at the same time? Are you fucking kidding me?


Fuck, I just realized I should avoid this stupid thread. Cool beans





it came from a 'liberal' news source and is in defense of martin


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