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    #15971204 - 03/20/12 10:26 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I'm so glad we bailed these companies out, screwed their creditors, and the tax payers... Imagine what would happen if they actually had to make a decent product to survive.  Gotta love union quality products.

The Worst-Built Cars For 2012:
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Of the 10 models that comprise our final list of 10 Worst-Built Cars for 2012, all but two of them, the Smart ForTwo and Toyota FJ Cruiser, come from domestic-brand automakers, specifically Chrysler LLC and General Motors.

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Re: Worst built cars in 2012 [Re: Seuss]
    #15971973 - 03/20/12 02:09 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I would have to question the reports.. Majority of the "Worst cars" arn't cars at all there trucks.. They shouldn't ride like a car, they shouldn't handle like a car... And from what i'm reading that's there biggest bitch. If you want something that ride's and handles like a car. Don't buy a truck or SUV that's just stupidity on there part. Now if there rating a truck... well then rate trucks.. but expecting trucks to behave and act like cars, give me a break.. Its rating apples against oranges. Let's see you pull your horse trailer with your mini-cooper..


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Re: Worst built cars in 2012 [Re: Eagle]
    #15971986 - 03/20/12 02:13 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Also, just something I noticed.. The whole thing is sponsored by Forbes.. Who came out head over heals against the bailout. So it doesn't surprise me the outcome. It's a little like going for a DUI court case before a judge who's kid was killed by a drunk driver... You already know the results before he opens his mouth.


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Re: Worst built cars in 2012 [Re: Seuss]
    #15972203 - 03/20/12 03:07 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Gotta love union quality products.





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A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.

If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.

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Re: Worst built cars in 2012 [Re: Eagle]
    #15975127 - 03/21/12 05:46 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

> Majority of the "Worst cars" arn't cars at all there trucks..

Boohoo... replace "cars" with "vehicles" if it makes you feel better.  It doesn't change the fact that the companies that got the bailouts are the companies that are producing crap.

> Also, just something I noticed.. The whole thing is sponsored by Forbes.. Who came out head over heals against the bailout.

Forbes simply consolidated the data produced by consumer reports.


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Re: Worst built cars in 2012 [Re: Seuss]
    #16006459 - 03/28/12 12:21 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I did a quick Google search for "best cars 2012".

The first result, Popular Mechanics, shows 7 of the top 12 cars are American.

The next result, US News, shows 7 of the top 10 cars are American.

If the logic in the OP is valid, then hooray for the bailouts, and hooray for the unions!


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Re: Worst built cars in 2012 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #16006980 - 03/28/12 04:50 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Popular Mechanics and US News are not good sources for unbiased testing of consumer products.  Consumer Reports is a good source for unbiased testing of consumer products.  The logic of the OP may not be sound, and if it is not you should be able to show it; however, using random google searches isn't going to cut it.


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Re: Worst built cars in 2012 [Re: Seuss]
    #16007043 - 03/28/12 05:56 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Popular Mechanics and US News are not good sources for unbiased testing of consumer products.

Source?


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Re: Worst built cars in 2012 [Re: Icelander]
    #16007337 - 03/28/12 07:59 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

> Popular Mechanics and US News are not good sources for unbiased testing of consumer products.

Open them up... do you see advertising.  QED.


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Re: Worst built cars in 2012 [Re: Seuss]
    #16007343 - 03/28/12 08:00 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I'd like to see a source that proves bias in their reviewing. :shrug:


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Re: Worst built cars in 2012 [Re: Icelander]
    #16007578 - 03/28/12 09:11 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

It is a clear conflict of interest when a product reviewer makes revenue from product advertising. This is why there are no product advertisements in Consumer Reports.  What more do you need?


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Re: Worst built cars in 2012 [Re: Seuss]
    #16007640 - 03/28/12 09:25 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I need proof that their advertising is biased. As requested. Just show me one case and I'm with you man.

And just because CR takes no advertising does not mean they may not have an agenda.


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Re: Worst built cars in 2012 [Re: Seuss]
    #16019942 - 03/30/12 04:07 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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It is a clear conflict of interest when a product reviewer makes revenue from product advertising. This is why there are no product advertisements in Consumer Reports.  What more do you need?




I googled "bias at consumer reports" and got 4 million hits.  My real world experience with their ratings (over 30 years) is that they are pretty much bullshit.


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Re: Worst built cars in 2012 [Re: zappaisgod]
    #16020405 - 03/30/12 05:53 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

This is what I had read about them. :shrug:


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