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OfflineChemical_Smile
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Nutritional properties of vermiculite?
    #1596008 - 05/31/03 12:41 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I cased some grain in straight verm and its been a long time with no real signs of growth.  I only see two tiny white patches in 1 of the casings and nothing in the other one.  Im wondering if I put a bit too much casing on and perhaps verm is just not nutritiouse enough to support mycelial growth.  I realy dont know what to do, there are no signs of contams either.  Should I go ahead and drop temps and try to fruit?
I have a bunch of other jars waiting to go but I dont want to waist whats left on more casings if the first dont work.  Nothing I ever do seems to work like 99% of the people on here said their same projects did.  WTF any ideas?  Im losing hope of ever seeing mushrooms again.  :frown: 


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Re: Nutritional properties of vermiculite? [Re: Chemical_Smile]
    #1596026 - 05/31/03 12:48 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

how long are they in the chamber?


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Re: Nutritional properties of vermiculite? [Re: Chemical_Smile]
    #1596070 - 05/31/03 01:05 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Im wondering if I put a bit too much casing on



Maybe. How much did you use and how deep is the substrate?

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perhaps verm is just not nutritiouse enough to support mycelial growth



It's not nutritious at all, nor should it be. A casing should be non-nutritive.


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Re: Nutritional properties of vermiculite? [Re: dog]
    #1596155 - 05/31/03 01:50 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I thought there was a slight bit of nutrient value to casings and that was why you would have them growing over with mycelium. I put about a inch and a half of substrate topped with about a inch of verm. I know thats not ideal but I used all my other jars for grain to grain transfers. I know everybody says wait untill you see mycelium in the little valleys of the casing but shit what if you never see it? They have been cased for at least 3 weeks (I fucked up by not writing down the exact date) and have been at incubation temps for 1 week now. Before that they were at fluctuating room temps but not cool enough to halt growth. They have been in sealed up filter bags and not exposed to light except when I would open the box to check them. So now I have a bunch of jars that are fully grown and need their diapers changed cause they are starting to soak in their waste material. I need to use them on something that works and right now Im not sure if these casings are working. Its like buying a new car putting gas in the tank turning the key and not a damn thing happens. I see everybody else driving off the lot but Ive been sitting here so long I dont trust anything untill I see results.


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Re: Nutritional properties of vermiculite? [Re: Chemical_Smile]
    #1596174 - 05/31/03 02:02 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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inch and a half of substrate topped with about a inch of verm



Too much casing. The FAQ suggests the casing depth be no more than 25% of the substrate depth. My friend has better results with 15% - 20%.

Rater than using straight verm, try a 60% to 70% coir/verm mix. My friend has good results with this.


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Re: Nutritional properties of vermiculite? [Re: dog]
    #1596193 - 05/31/03 02:16 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

maybe try scratching it


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Re: Nutritional properties of vermiculite? [Re: FallenShroom]
    #1596316 - 05/31/03 03:20 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Good idea, Im trying to think of a way to scratch it without opening the bags up.  Dog, I have tried to use coir before and had terrible luck with contams.  The reason I used straight verm was to be as carefull as possible.  I have had so many problems with contams and casing that i tried to make things as safe as possible to get some guarranteed fruits.  So far that isnt pay off though.  :frown:


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Re: Nutritional properties of vermiculite? [Re: Chemical_Smile]
    #1597154 - 06/01/03 12:18 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

well did you sterilize your casing materials before covering your substrate with them?? and a approx 50/50 mix of verm and coco is by far the best casing material-and maintenance free cause u dont have to add a neutralizing agent. there is definetly too much casing material and that is why it is not growing all the way through. what you can do right now is tilt your casing on its side as steep as you can go without making it fall out and lightly scrape all the excess verm casing. then fruit as normal and you should be good-unless you do actually scratch it then wait for it to pop up with a little growth then fruit.
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Re: Nutritional properties of vermiculite? [Re: Chemical_Smile]
    #1597195 - 06/01/03 12:37 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Half an inch would have been good.
Sterilize your hand and scoop it out.


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Re: Nutritional properties of vermiculite? [Re: Effed]
    #1598077 - 06/01/03 01:45 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Ok then, Im going to carefully dump some of the casing out. I still dont want to open the bags so Im just gonna let it sit on the bottom. And I pressure cooked the verm for a LONG time before I used it. I forget exactly how long but it was sufficient.


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