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New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez * 3
    #15932868 - 03/11/12 11:20 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

A close personal friend of mine happened upon a strain of Ps. mexicana while traveling in Huatla de Jimenez, which he collected within about 200 yards of the former dwelling of Maria Sabina.  This strain is a very prolific fruiter and of superior quality.  The effects are marked by a deep mental clarity, serenity, and magical quality unlike anything else.

As we all know, cultivating Ps. mexicana requires good airflow, high humidity, and proper lighting.  I have found the following setup to be perfect for cultivation of this species:

This uses a 32L Really Useful Box that I picked up from Office Depot:

www.reallyusefulproducts.co.uk/usa/html/onlineshop/rub/b32_0litreUS.php

The humidity source is an Imagine Gold Tropic Aire Humidifier Air Exchanger:

www.amazon.com/Imagine-Gold-Tropicaire-Humidifier-Exchanger/dp/B000634980/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t

Which is powered by a Rena Air 300 air pump:

www.amazon.com/RENA-AIR-300-PUMP/dp/B000255MVA/ref=sr_1_1?s=pet-supplies&ie=UTF8&qid=1331486285&sr=1-1

Using a 15/64 inch bit, I drilled a single hole near the top, which lines up with the hole already present in the snap handle and lid.  This size hole perfectly allows the plastic airline tubing to fit securely and snugly into the box.

This is a shot of the total setup:



Here you can see where the hose fits through the handle into the side of the box:




A shot from inside the box, which shows how the dispersing tube fits:



And another from the side of the box to show how the hose fits through the hole in the handle, the lid, and into the box:



Another shot from the top of the box:



I prefer electronic sensors to estimate humidity and temperature:



And a GE 6500K Daylight CFL light source works best in my experience:



Here is a shot of the CN-Mexicana strain in it's early stages:



And of a culture my friend, the traveler collector, fruited:





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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #15933071 - 03/11/12 12:30 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Looking very nice.

Im just about to fruit some ATL#7 but they are not giving me an even pinning.
I just get some shrooms in the corner of the tray and same thing in another tray.
Maybe the air humidifier setup you are using is worth a try, my problems may be because of not enough humidity.

Does this variety of P.Mexicana produce stones?

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Mateo]
    #15933197 - 03/11/12 01:00 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

It produces stones, yes, as well as the Jalisco.  I have found the stones of all the mexicana to be nauseating and not worth the effort.  The carpophores, on the other hand, are the most superior mushrooms I have ever consumed.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Mateo] * 1
    #15933231 - 03/11/12 01:08 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Hey mateo ... There are one of two possible solutions to the situation you are describing with the atl7/galindoi. The sort of primordia-pattern you describe on the casing layer is not uncommon when the ambient humidity levels are not sufficiently high enough to sustain an even pinset. The general principle upon which elfstone's fruiting chamber works would certainly address this possibility. The other possibility is that you simply need to give them time. Often pins will initially develop around the edges and then form towards the center.

I made the original collection on the ps. mexicana featured in this post, and yes they do indeed appear to form sclerotia. Sclerotia formation seems to be largely contingent on the sort of substrate used. This particular strain of mexicana did not do well on a straight-grain substrate, but thrived on a mixed substrate that included a predominance of rye grass seed as well as supplemental rye grain (for moisture content), oatmeal (which I believe is important for solid fruiting and sclerotia formation in mexicana) and rye or wheat bran.

Sclerotia formation does not really distinguish this particular strain of mexicana. Having personally spent the last 20 years of my life cultivating, eating and experimenting with all the various strains and species of psilocybin mushroom, what makes this particular strain of mexicana exceptional is it's outstanding purity, potency and productivity in the fruiting bodies. Having experimented with several of the sclerotia-producers, my general observation has been that the carpophores/fruiting bodies are themselves far superior in terms of the quality and depth of the experience itself.

I have observed this strain to be significantly more potent than what is typical of ps. mexicana, though my sensitivity has increased dramatically over the years. From what I can tell, this strain of mexicana is three times the potency of your average cubensis and infinitely purer. With the above fruiting-medium, I yielded 60grams of dry carpophores from 3 quart jars. In terms of psilocybin content, that is the rough equivallent of 180 grams of dried cubensis from only 3 quart jars. Considered thusly, this strain of mexicana is the purest and most efficient producer of clean, organic psilocybin I have ever worked with.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #15933688 - 03/11/12 03:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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It produces stones, yes, as well as the Jalisco.  I have found the stones of all the mexicana to be nauseating and not worth the effort.  The carpophores, on the other hand, are the most superior mushrooms I have ever consumed.

Elfstone




Very nice!  Thanks for posting.  I'll send you any edible culture in my collection for a print. :laugh:
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #15933768 - 03/11/12 03:29 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Very cool... I would like to trade for a print as well.


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #15933878 - 03/11/12 03:53 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Very nice elfstone and piltzintli!
Beautiful mushrooms and great fruiting performance.
I'm going to start this on agar tonight or tomorrow at the latest,
thanks for the slide.
Can't wait to see this in action:derfase:

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: stonesun]
    #15933981 - 03/11/12 04:18 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Most Excellent! 

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Mr. Bojangles]
    #15934248 - 03/11/12 05:21 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Check your :pm:

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Hacendado]
    #15936584 - 03/12/12 07:35 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: OoBYCoO]
    #15938013 - 03/12/12 02:26 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Very nice with a P.Mexicana with the excilent properties you describe piltzintli.
Do you think the 'outstanding purity, potency and productivity in the fruiting bodies' is just a feature of this variety of P.Mexicana or can it be a result from the substrate you guys are using?

As for my ATL#7 problem with only pinning in the corners of the trays, it may be the humidity or it can be a time issue as this is first flush.
Can the fact that i took out the stones in the ryegrains before making my trays, have any thing to do with my pinning problems and does it have any effect on how good fruting you get?

Very nice to read about your new variety of mexicana, i wish i had a print or something intresting to trade for one, but i guess that what i have in my collections aren't of intrest to you experienced pro's.

Only thing intresting i have got is an unidentified psilocybe from Thailand who a friend of mine picked when he was over there. But it isn't even shure it is potent enough to be of intrest.
My friend has grown it once and he say it was kind of weak, but atleast it is a psilocybe for sure.
I shall try to grow it when some of my current projects is finished and give me the space.

Keep posting plz, this is very intresting.
More pictures would me very nice too.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #15938529 - 03/12/12 04:39 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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:murray: Nice!

You don't see too many Ps. Mexicana flushes like that

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Wing]
    #15945729 - 03/14/12 10:42 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

This is great stuff!

Those are generous sporulators as well.

Thanks for sharing.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Javadog]
    #15945902 - 03/14/12 11:35 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Very nice.  That flush is great
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: truskool]
    #15949221 - 03/15/12 12:22 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: mycoelf]
    #15949829 - 03/15/12 05:57 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I wish my ATL#7 could have a flush like that.

I have made a grow with only colonized ryegrains as substrate, and a casinglayer.
Anyone know if taking the stones out of the ryegrains before making the trays can have a bad effect on the formation on fruitbodies?

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Mateo]
    #15949835 - 03/15/12 06:08 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

So how did you do it?  You show your FC in great detail but nothing about whether it is spawned straight cased?

Whats that casing? 50/50?


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: truskool]
    #15952645 - 03/15/12 07:55 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Grown out on MEA from Fungi Perfecti, spawned to 130g ryegrass seed + 20g Irish Steel Cut Oats and 150ml distilled water, with a pinch of gypsum.

Casing is straight peat moss with calcium carbonate 10:1 ratio.

Here is an updated photo of the two trays currently being fruited:





This is my first time fruiting this strain.  Our source tells me that the second flush will fruit more normally, while the first flush has more of a tendency to bend over.  We shall see.  The fruits are quite large, actually, with about 6" stems.


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #15952698 - 03/15/12 08:09 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i still like them all even with the long stem
it looks like lots of fun :hehehe:


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: truskool]
    #15954241 - 03/16/12 04:35 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Stones will actually turn into mushroom eventually, one they're cased with the rest of the substrate.  BTW - the galindoi strain is being cultivated by growers in Huatla de Jimenez and employed by the people living there.  Apparently it is well appreciated.


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #15954278 - 03/16/12 05:18 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

interesting:strokebeard2:


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: eLShaMukO]
    #15959251 - 03/17/12 11:30 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yes intresting that they cultivate the P.Galindoi.
Do you know if they harvest the fruitbodies or the stones?


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #15959888 - 03/17/12 03:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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BTW - the galindoi strain is being cultivated by growers in Huatla de Jimenez and employed by the people living there.  Apparently it is well appreciated.






How do you know its Galindoi that they are growing?  Galindoi is a species, not a strain.

I am going to Huautla de Jiminez in a couple months.  Its a weird place.  Other parts of Oaxaca are more friendly.  The indians never smile.  And many don't speak english or spanish.  Huautla is full of police, they have one on every corner downtown.  They searched me because I was taking pictures of mushroom art at night.  They didn't find anything though.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 1
    #15963276 - 03/18/12 12:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

An American expatriate is cultivating them for the locals, among other exotics.  My friend travelled all the way to Huatla de Jimenez to be offered galindoi stones in a ceremony.  I know the person who collected the galindoi mushrooms off his lawn in Georgia.  Turns out it is a small world, indeed.

The Mazatecan people have had to face years of less than conscious seekers of the magic mushrooms flooding their town and are justifiably wary of outsiders.  Thieir culture was remote enough and sufficiently wise to guard the mystery for over 5 centuries.  We have benefitted from their tradition of caution and circumspection around this most sacred mystery.  Fortunately for us, the mushrooms have their own agenda, and, like ayahuasca, are now making their way into our world.  Some of us have been graced to have the deeper mysteries revealed.  We truly wish our broader community to have the opportunity for this too.  A gift to all of us from the humble, quiet People of the Deer (the Mazatecans).


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 2
    #15974423 - 03/20/12 10:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I know they are cultivating Ps. galindoi up there because I visually inspected live-specimens with my own eyes; I am wholly familiar with the species and lived in Huautla de Jimenez for nine months. Both fruitbodies and sclerotia are used; the sclerotia are referred to using the Spanish word 'camote,' which means sweet potatoe.

I harvested spores from Ps. zapotecorum, as well as what appears to be Ps. caerulescens var. mazatecorum, as well as the Chicon Nindo or Tokosho strain of Ps. mexicana being discussed in this thread. Another series of specimens were identified to me by a local-'shaman' as being 'pajaritos' (aka Ps. mexicana), but did not behave like a typical mexicana/'pajarito' at all. Currently, this species is unidentified but apparently active.

Huautla de Jimenez itself is a tough nut to crack. I would not approach Huautla with the idea of being warmly and openly welcomed. I think the incentive to spend time in a place like Huautla has to be pretty high, as it is a tricky and slippery sort of place. I def. recommend treading lightly when it comes to shamans and the mushroom-ceremony they offer. My honest recommendation is to just go there and patiently wait for the right situation to arise ... make sure you really feel good about the shaman you are working with. I know this sounds crazy, but I feel like I can tell the real and sincere shaman by a certain shining glimmer in their eyes ... by that I mean to say, use wise intuition.

If you think about it, the influence of westerners in Huautla has been pretty catastrophic; Sabina herself blamed Wasson for silencing her precious 'ninitos.' You are a stranger in a strange land, don't take it personally ...

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Mateo] * 1
    #15974465 - 03/20/12 11:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Unfortunately, scale is not really clear in this image. The stones featured on top of the fruiting media here were culled from three quart jars of the chicon nindo or tokosho strain of mexicana in this thread; the one to the left was about three inches wide and maybe an inch thick ... quite a hunk of sclerotia really. I did not weigh it. Just buried all the sclerotia in the fruiting medium and cased with peat moss/CaCO3 ... vamos a ver!

These jars were a good six months old.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
    #15975452 - 03/21/12 08:51 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Makes me hungry. 

I've always preferred stones over fruits, although for most people it's the other way around.  Either way, thanks for posting.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #15975804 - 03/21/12 10:26 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

That's interesting; I tend to get a mild allergic-type response with the sclerotia ... the roof of my mouth will swell slightly and become irritated. Within the first hour or so, I get mild and transient-nausea. The last time I had mexicana sclerotia, I had harvested a bag and popped a fresh sclerotia about half the size of the one on the left of this image. I guess I didn't realize it was such a big dose ... alien probe time! Boy I was glad when I came off that experience, threw on The Beatles 'Yellow Submarine' and it all made too much sense *giggle*.

Galindoi sclerotia seemed a tad milder to me in this regard. I tell you what, I was pretty gassed when I was offered sclerotia at a 'traditional' ceremony in Huautla ... I didn't know the species initially, but got to inspect outdoor fruiting-patches subsequently.

I am def. looking forward to getting more feedback on this mexicana here; they sure seem potent to me. When you harvest a strain in the wild and take it back to the cleanroom/flowhood/lab and work it all out for domestic cultivation, I think alot of your heart and soul is poured into it all ... as a result, I feel I am pretty much totally and completely biased. A couple years ago, my sensitivity to psilocybin went through the roof; two grams of potent cubensis became easily as strong as a solid five gram experience used to be. I almost wonder if I am not just genetically hard-wired for the stuff ...

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
    #15976577 - 03/21/12 01:57 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I know they are cultivating Ps. galindoi up there because I visually inspected live-specimens with my own eyes; I am wholly familiar with the species and lived in Huautla de Jimenez for nine months. Both fruitbodies and sclerotia are used; the sclerotia are referred to using the Spanish word 'camote,' which means sweet potatoe.





How do you know that the species is P. galindoi?  Did you check them out under a microscope?  That is a hard species to ID macroscopically - there are several close lookalikes in section Mexicanae.

When I went to huautla last year I brought a microscope and checked out the mushrooms a shaman sold us.  There were 5 species - P. zapoteorum, caerulescens, hoogshagenii, and 2 Psilocybe species that are new to science.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15976824 - 03/21/12 02:50 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

No ... we were not doing microscopy, all I can tell you is that the mycologist growing them was professionaly trained having worked with both Paul Stamets and John Holliday. He obtained the original spore material from a reputable source and said they were galindoi; I visually inspected and ate them myself, everything matched up. I have no reason to believe otherwise.

My own personal interest was more in connecting with the original tradition itself on it's own terms. I tend to relate to the central mushroom-mystery from a place of empathic-emotional intelligence, and have consistently found that the indigenous groups I have worked with--the navajo and lakota NAC, the shipibo and mazatec, are far more responsive to empathic-sensitivity and intelligence vs. rote scientistic accumen (which they tend to view with suspicion as being somewhat childish and imposing).

I have lived and worked with indigenous peoples for about 8 years now; the issue is less one of 'how I know what I know,' and more 'how can I learn and be receptive to what these people have to offer.' I have found they really appreciate that sort of humility and inquisitive kindheartedness.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 2
    #15977206 - 03/21/12 04:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The one 'odd species' I found grew at the base of oak trees, in mossy sections along forest trails. You would find one or two specimens beneath the trees.

Microscopy holds some interest for me, that's neat to see your collections over at the mushroomobserver; we probably collected the very same strain of zapotecorum, which I heard called by the mazatec name nii'kii'shro, which I was told means 'the little ones that speak.' This seemed to be the preferred one out there, but the current state of the mushroom tradition out in huautla is pretty mercurial and nebulous.

My fascination is with the mushroom-ceremony itself. At 13 years old, I came across an image in some sort of encyclopedia of a mazatec woman incensing mushrooms with copal in her out-stretched hand. The image had a powerful and magickal impact on me. In one of the great and synchronous events of my life, later that very same day I was walking out of the boy's locker room and a friend of mine reached into his overcoat and pulled out a bag that contained psilo mushrooms, handed it to me and said 'take these.' I went home and ate the entire bag, which was a good 7grams. It changed my life, really.

The way I experience these mushrooms is kind of weird I think, I experience them with great affection and reverence. In a way, I very much feel like these mushrooms are members of my family. This is probably an old prototypical way in which humans have related to plants over the millenia; I have encountered this attitude in all of the shamanic-plant traditions I have studied endemically. A peyote roadman performing a ceremony within walking distance of the wounded knee massacre site would refer to the buttons affectionately with the phrase 'kind grandfather;' a shipibo would pray to the ayahuasca vine as 'madre' while harvesting it. There is an old tradition that says the plants once spoke ... I think they still do.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
    #15989010 - 03/24/12 08:10 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)



just want to follow this thread :smile:

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: x7x_x7x]
    #15991150 - 03/24/12 06:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Using this light source:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005LIN99K/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details

which includes both Actinic Blue 420 and 6500K light sources, the caps of the 2nd flush appear more umbonate:





I just hung up this Truelumen LED Actinic Blue 453:

http://www.amazon.com/TrueLumen-Aquatic-10-Inch-4-453nm-LED/dp/B003XXAE84/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1332711647&sr=8-6

and will observe the effects under this on the developing pins:



The strips come with an adhesive strip, which stuck perfectly on the inside of the lid of the box:



Should prove interesting...stay tuned....

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #15991218 - 03/24/12 07:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Looking awesome:omgawesome:
So is there a name for this new strain?  Isnt this a new species? How did the first flush print?  Sorry for all the questions.


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: truskool]
    #15991918 - 03/24/12 10:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It is Ps. Mexicana collected from the slopes of the Chicon Nindo mountainside within a couple hundred yards of Maria Sabina's former home in Juatla de Jimenez by my friend Piltzintli above.  He is calling it the Chicon Nindo strain.

The first flush printed just fine, using petri dishes, glass slides, and a syringe with a 27g needle to put distiller water on the tops of the caps 2x daily to keep them from dessicating while they produce spores.  Works well for all the petite species,mincluding galindoi, mexicana, and tampanensis.


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #15992557 - 03/25/12 02:17 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Very very cool man.  The water is a good idea.  Maybe thats why I had the issues the caps drying out.  Hopefully someday soon ill be able to get some of these spores


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #15993023 - 03/25/12 08:01 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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and a syringe with a 27g needle to put distiller water on the tops of the caps 2x daily to keep them from dessicating while they produce spores.




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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: x7x_x7x]
    #15994241 - 03/25/12 02:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

A couple more photos under the Truelumen Actinic Blue 453nm.  The caps seem to respond readily, spreading out and showing the classic umbonate shape:





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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #15996287 - 03/25/12 09:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Looking very nice.

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    #15996291 - 03/25/12 09:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
    #16032800 - 04/02/12 09:13 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The above sclerotia-inoculated grain mixture cased with a half-inch layer of pasteurized peat moss:CaCO3 at a ratio of 4:1 by volume, under a 10inch strip of 452nm blue-actinic LED array (rec´d by elfstone via anne halonium)

Day 1 pinset:



Day 2 pinset:



Day 3 pinset:



and my fruiting chamber with airstone/airpump and the LED:



From what I can tell, they really do respond nicely to the LED; I will do series of photos to look at the difference in morphology between those grown with the LED and those grown under fluoro. My initial observation is that they def. respond positively to the LED, the stems appear a bit thickened and the caps have a brighter and more vital color. The stems seem to have more of a golden-tone than when I have grown the same species with the same fruiting media under fluoro. These LEDs are a real winner I think ...

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
    #16037602 - 04/03/12 09:40 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Day 4:



These def appear more as they did in their natural setting in Huautla, as compared to the first batch grown under fluorescent lights.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
    #16037666 - 04/03/12 10:00 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

What are the average day and night time temperatures in their native habitat during fruiting season?
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #16037897 - 04/03/12 11:09 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I would say that temperatures fluctuate from anywhere between the mid-60s at night to the mid-90s during the day; Huautla can actually get pretty darned hot during the mushroom season. On average, I would say the temperature was in the 80s during the day and 60s at night. It never freezes out there, but can get brisk to a bit frigid during the fall as the temps cool. I was sort of surprised by the general climate up there, it was dryer than I imagined; I was actually reminded of like a Southern California sort of mediterranean climate.

I incubate my casings using a heat-lamp that gets the temperature up into the mid-80s. Under the LEDs, the temp gets down to the low-70s.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
    #16038012 - 04/03/12 11:45 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the report.  That rules out any sort of outdoor fruiting up here.  We only get about half a dozen days each summer where the temp breaks into the 80s, and last year we only had one 90 degree day all summer.  It drops into the 30s at night, sometimes forming frost even in July and August. :laugh:
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    #16038379 - 04/03/12 01:38 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Lovely work!!:aweyeah:

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    #16039311 - 04/03/12 04:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Looking very nice -


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
    #16041326 - 04/04/12 12:25 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Hi piltzintli,

Is this the same species as elfstones?
Your fruit bodies look a lot closer to P. galindoi than they do P. mexicana!


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    #16041868 - 04/04/12 06:57 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, it is the same species as elfstone´s; a strain of Ps. mexicana I collected along the eastern slope of the Chicon Nindo Tokosho mountain circa Huautla de Jimenez during last year´s season.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli] * 2
    #16041916 - 04/04/12 07:22 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Probably the last photo for awhile, but you get the picture -



Definitely the very same species elfstone grew out, as I provided the original material on this species/strain. What you are observing I think is a natural result of the high-level of genetic diversity within a wild strain; with cloning, this spectrum of diverse phenotypes might not be observed. This is speculative, but I am not a big fan of cloning for this reason: strain senescence is promoted as you select out certain characteristics. Observing the differences here in terms of morphology suggests that it might be useful to vary the environmental parameters to achieve the desired results. This also gives the species-strain the opportunity to express latent characteristics. I would definitely like to see more conversation in general on how to prevent strain-senescence, as I have observed it in some of the classic strains of cubensis (Terence Mckenna´s ´syzygy' strain being a prime example). Compare the above photo with this one, which is the exact same species and strain inoculated from the exact same petri and with the exact same formula in the fruiting media as well as casing layer, but grown out under 6500K fluorescent instead of 452nm blue-LED -



I think we can reasonably assume that the differences in morphology are the direct result of the light itself, which is very interesting to me. Thank you anne halonium for this fascinating insight into the mushroom grow-cycle. You notice in the second image, several of the caps have topped over as a result of stretching in the stem. The first photo looks more as they appeared in their natural setting.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
    #16041952 - 04/04/12 07:41 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

One of the interesting morphological contrasts between elf´s fruiting and the one I am showing above: if you look at the stems in the most recent photos, most of them will have a thin brownish-stripe that goes up the stem to the cap. We have speculated that this morphological characteristic is a function of differences in the fruiting media. My fruiting media actually contained a blend of grass-seed as well as wheat bran (as well as oatmeal, which I think is essential in mexicana). I suspect perhaps the wheat bran is what gives it that little ´racing stripe.´

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    #16041976 - 04/04/12 07:49 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The depth of field is too narrow in most of your pics, consider shooting in manual mode with a tripod and the smallest aperture you can.

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    #16042029 - 04/04/12 08:12 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

good idea Alan, I miss my old dSLR ... all I have right now is a lil' point and shoot. But yea, I can adjust the f-stop manually I bet.

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    #16042324 - 04/04/12 10:08 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Elfstone requested that I write a bit about my general experience of the more traditional Mazatec ceremonial form of mushroom gnosis, I just wanted to write something brief up on the proper attitude by which the higher-level openings in mushroom-work can occur. During and around the mushroom season of 2010, I spent somewhere approaching nine months studying and experiencing the original form of Mazatec mushroom shamanism in Huautla de Jimenez, situated amongst mountains in the northern part of the Mexican state of Oaxaca. For those versed in psychedelic mushroom lore, Huautla de Jimenez is where ethnomycologist Gordon Wasson first experienced the awesome and wondrous effects of the sacred mushroom as recorded in the May 13th issue of Life magazine.
   
    During my stay in Huautla de Jimenez, I was living perhaps 200 yards from Maria Sabina’s house; I met at least one of her grandchildren during my stay.  Ultimately, there is very little information overall on the pattern and technique of the traditional Mazatec use of sacred mushrooms; the work of Gordon Wasson remains the primary resource for an original and inspired sense of how sacred mushrooms have traditionally been used. A good curriculum on the subject would include the works and articles of Gordon Wasson, Alvaro Estrada, Jerome Rothenberg, Henry Munn, and Thomas Riedlinger. Ralph Metzner’s introduction to ‘Sacred Mushroom of Visions: Teonanacatl’ gives a wonderful overview of the general subject that is sacred fungi. Metzner’s analysis of original source material in the Florentine Codex as recorded by Franciscan Bernardino de Sahagun, provides a cogent overview of some of the original functions of traditional mushroom usage.

    To this day, the ancient tradition of the sacred mushroom itself is fairly shrouded in mystery and obscurity; traditional Mazatec are really quite discrete and unassuming in regards to the mushroom itself. The sacred mushroom is not a typical topic of casual conversation amongst the more traditional Mazatec; you would never expect to have a casual conversation with an old Mazatec grandmother about mushrooms. Ultimately, I have come to feel that there is something profoundly mercurial about the sacred mushroom itself; something that does not lend itself easily or readily to language and intellectual understanding. I view the sacred mushroom as a profound and resilient well-spring of original gnosis and wise guidance. Furthermore, I have come to view the sacred mushroom as a very good friend whom treats me with kindness and positive regard (and gives me the occasional and stern lecture should I need it).  Central to the Mazatec understanding is this essential sense of kinship with the mushroom as a living well-spring of guidance, healing, deepened understanding and positively adjusted faith and forbearance. In the Mazatec ceremony, it is common that a person might incense the mushrooms before taking them and silently whisper or pray over them with tender terms of endearment. The Mazatec will affectionately refer—in adorational tones, to the mushroom as if it were a child or a family member: ‘my little children’, ‘my little holy children’, ‘my little holy saint children’, or simply ‘my little ones.’ A mushroom adept might speak to the mushroom in specific terms, addressing it directly: ‘do not worry my little children, it is only me: please help *so and so* tonight.’ The mushroom is not shared casually amongst people, but tends to be experienced between people on the most intimate levels possible, inculcating deep and resonant forms of empathic understanding between those souls captivated by the hierophanic mushroom-vision. In speaking of the sacred mushrooms as ‘flowers that inebriate’, the old Nahua poets write,

“Tell us, O priest, whence come
The flowers that inebriate?
The songs that inebriate?”
(Poesia Nahuatl 1 p 77)

“Only flowers are our wealth:
Through them friendship between us grows,
And through our song sadness vanishes.” 
(Poesia Nahuatl 1 p 47)

The mushroom develops a powerful sense of friendship, trust and mutual understanding between adepts enraptured by the mushroomic ecstasy. The basic attitude is one encompassed by an icon quite typical of the Mazatec ceremonial altar: el santo niño de atocha. The mushroom is spoken to directly by using variations on the diminutive-form in Spanish, expressing a very unique and discrete form of affection and empathic understanding between the neophyte and his plant-teacher. In Gordon Wasson´s seminal ´The Wondrous Mushroom,' he convincingly argues that el santo niño de atocha is a local and christianized adaptation and form of the more archaic Nahua-child and plunging elf-god Piltzintli. My own altar contains an image of el santo niño de atocha, as in the below image:



What tends to escape the notice of contemporary magic-mushroom enthusiasts in our day and age, is that this adapted form of reverential-diminutive awe expressed in Mazatec prayer to the diositos (little gods) speaks directly to an ancient and powerful form of gnosis and emotional-intelligence that links us not only directly to the natural world, but the very world of the higher-sensorium. In my next post, I will talk about this higher-sensorial principle I refer to as the ´principle of discrete intelligence,' and how it relates to mushroom cultivation itself. With particular emphasis on Rupert Sheldrake´s theory of morphic resonance, I hope to suggest that through cultivating mushrooms we enter into a very special and unique sort of evolutionary relationship with both the mushroom, nature, and our own higher-sensorium itself (what Henry Corbin refers to as the Mundus Imaginalis).

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    #16043101 - 04/04/12 01:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Very interesting!! :bow2:

Can I ask if your stay and study was part of a degree program or other academic nature, or more of a personal quest?

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    #16043574 - 04/04/12 02:34 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you for this wonderful information.
I find these things very helpful :bow2:

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    #16046770 - 04/05/12 08:16 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I studied anthropology at UCLA back in the 90s, left the college-academic environment to study Buddhism and Eastern Religion in India circa 2000. I studied ayahuasca shamanism in Peru about four years ago, and have studied peyote shamanism with the NAC up in South Dakota. I tend to encourage academics and scientific inquiry as a pursuit--education is a powerful means of improving the quality of one´s life, but I have typically found the academic environment to be a bit stifling. Much of the general millieu of academics and intellectualism is driven--in my experience, by histrionic narcissism and a ruthless sort of egotism that subsists on success, achievement and competition. There is healthy competition but In a way, I have come to view this histrionic narcissism that is so central to academic pursuit as being a compensation for a lack in emotional intelligence; and in particular, a lack in what I consider to be the highest form of emotional intelligence ... ethical intelligence. Ethical intelligence is grounded in a very particular sort of empathic perception, it is a sort of finely tuned instrument that can look deeply into sensory phenomenon and experience others as one´s own self. In my experience, sacred mushrooms are almost entirely about the cultivation of ethical-spiritual intelligence. Having strong role-models helps; Elfstone has been a good friend and role-model to me for 15 years now. Spiritual friendship is essential in inculcating, developing and growing the seed of spiritual-empathic intelligence once it has been planted. 

I am of the opinion that when it comes down to it, all learning is self-directed. Sacred mushrooms have honestly been my primary passion and source of revelation since I was young. Having extensively studied most all of the contemplative and mystical religions on planet earth--I even lived as a Theravadan monk in Thailand for awhile, I actually have come the conclusion that the sacred mushroom is bar none the single most profound source of spiritual revelation I have ever known. In many ways, I do think it is a calling: a plant calls out to you and you become a student of that plant.

So to answer your question, it has largely been a personal quest or journey. For me, the journey ended out in Huautla de Jimenez during my first ceremony standing in front of the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe on the Mazatec altar. I am actually immensely relieved for that, as I have spent many years out of country ´On The Road´ seeking something for much of my life. An energy of pure benediction and grace descended through the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe (what the Greeks and Gnostics call the Sophia-goddess, source of wisdom) and touched me in a very deep way ... the mushroom is really and truly a marvelous spiritual grace if you pursue it with purity of heart and an eye towards kindness and compassion.

But I encourage people to pursue academic work; I am currently a student of psychology and nursing, and plan on going to graduate school. In truth, any personal journey is only worthwhile if you bring something back for the benefit of others ... we are very much here to love one another, and all that other sorta hippy nonsense!

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli] * 1
    #16046784 - 04/05/12 08:23 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Looking really pretty I think ... thanks Allan for recommendations on the camera, unfortunately the tightest aperture is a 4.5. But, you get the picture:



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    #16046802 - 04/05/12 08:31 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Damn, that is such a beastly strain!  :awesomenod:

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    #16047293 - 04/05/12 11:21 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Holy hell that is a flush of mexicana

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
    #16047667 - 04/05/12 12:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

wow what a genetics


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    #16051730 - 04/06/12 07:38 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I love any mexican strain.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Hatter1111]
    #16051750 - 04/06/12 07:50 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I seen a post by :rr: not too long ago talking about the best flushes and pinsets he ever got was from wild prints.  Un domesticated genetics.  Im wondering if you got the nice flushes due to the un domestication of these genetics?

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    #16051809 - 04/06/12 08:24 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

that is an amazing philosophy. I agree with it 100%:sunny:
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    #16052261 - 04/06/12 10:59 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

last photo before I take prints, but ... gotta say, one HELL of a flush of mexicana:


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    #16052299 - 04/06/12 11:12 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i just wandered how the potency is one the fruits one stone producers?


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    #16052442 - 04/06/12 11:56 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
    #16052760 - 04/06/12 01:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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last photo before I take prints, but ... gotta say, one HELL of a flush of mexicana:






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    #16052799 - 04/06/12 01:31 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I have not tried the stones out on this one, I am not a big fan of the stones as they seem to give me a mild-allergic sort of response.

I personally thought the fruits on this one were quite potent, a half gram was pretty solid and I think a gram would lay me down flat. Very friendly, pure and clean though. I am ALL about ´purity´ when it comes to the sort of mushroom I prefer to take.

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    #16052908 - 04/06/12 01:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I have not tried the stones out on this one, I am not a big fan of the stones as they seem to give me a mild-allergic sort of response.

I personally thought the fruits on this one were quite potent, a half gram was pretty solid and I think a gram would lay me down flat. Very friendly, pure and clean though. I am ALL about ´purity´ when it comes to the sort of mushroom I prefer to take.



What in your opinion is the purest?  Im not a big mushroom fan and would prefer to eat the purest cleanest I could to trip on when the opportunity arises that I am ready for a trip.  I dont mind stones and mex fruits but I think my next trip will be a big one on pan cyans.  Im hoping a big intense trip will give me some clarity and direction.


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: truskool]
    #16053046 - 04/06/12 02:31 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Don't look for clarity and direction from copelandia.  They're some of the darkest and most unpleasant of all the psilocybin containing mushrooms.  If you want a clean trip, P mexicana or P cyanescens/azurescens is what you're looking for.
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    #16053176 - 04/06/12 03:04 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Don't look for clarity and direction from copelandia.  They're some of the darkest and most unpleasant of all the psilocybin containing mushrooms.  If you want a clean trip, P mexicana or P cyanescens/azurescens is what you're looking for.
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I appreciate the advice.  Sounds like the last thing I want is a big intense trip with them then.  So your saying the mex fruit bodies or stones?  And the more intense wood lovers.  I guess im going to have to set up some beds then.  Start some stones up too. 

So roger about the post I posted before about undomesticated genes giving superior pin sets and flushes.  Do you think that might be the case here?  Thats a pretty wall to wall pinset which I havent seen too often in mex strains.  I think cubes are way too domesticated.  Id love to see what a print right from the wild produces.  Or even just one that hasnt been domesticated.  It seems most cubes are domesticated for speed or size cause those are two variables that we can easily see and breed for.  Meanwhile its very possible that we bred uber potency out of a cube strain or something.  Sure its very hard to breed for potency without alot of money in sophisticated machines.  Even going through all the isolates that a single swipe on agar from MS makes can be a lengthy and serious PITA.  IMO if your going to test out an isolate you should test it out in the method you are most likely to grow in.  No point testing an isolate out on a cake when your a rye to manure sort of person.  Id love to find wall to wall pinsets consistently from MS.  I doubt its going to happen but a boy can dream

Also what do think on the 452 nm royal blue LED?  I know from building LED's for growing weed that 452 is good in small amounts for chronic but fungus and plants are different.  You suggest 6500k which is cool white.  The fruit bodies do look pretty good under the royal blue tho.


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: truskool]
    #16053373 - 04/06/12 04:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

6500K and 452 nm are very similar in color/frequency.  I prefer the Kelvin scale simply because household lamps are rated that way and they're what most of us have access to at the local supermarket or hardware store.

I'm on record as scoffing at the notion of 'domestication' of fungi.  Wild animals were 'domesticated' to make them docile and prevent them from eating their caretakers.  The only thing fungi are subjected to by growers is repeated inbreeding.  That's not domestication.  If you want stellar results, get a wild print and do a series of strain isolations.
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    #16053462 - 04/06/12 04:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The difference in morphology resulting from 453nm versus 6500k, the latter carrying far more white, is very significant.  The 6500K lamp results in longer stems, smaller caps, and a tendency to fall over.  The flush my friend just posted was fruited entirely under the True Lumen Actinic Blue LED 453nm 10" strip.  You can see the results.


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    #16053574 - 04/06/12 04:52 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

There is a Mystery here that we all intuit. It is what draws us toward establishing a living relationship with these sacred plants to begin with. This can literally take root in our consciousness, nourished by cultivation of our deepest capacities for intention and thus nourishing our awareness of our own innate potential as conscious manifestations of the Mystery. In my friend and myself, this has become the guiding principal of our lives. We have been touched by something deeply profound in our relationship with this manifestation of the living spirit, Los Santos Niños, and it speaks to and through us to those able to receive it. We wish you all the blessed good fortune to open to this awareness and be transformed by it as we have. This mystery has literally turned my previously self-focused life into one of service to humanity, as it has brought forth and nourished my highest aspirations and spiritual longing. As a young man, over 37 years ago, The Saint Children shaped my perceptions of what was possible for my life and directed me into a path of professional service, where I have had the great blessing of developing my compassion towards others into the illuminating awareness of our essential oneness. Through entering into the joys and sufferings of those I serve, letting go of all attachments, a new consciousness has been brought forth that is empty of self and thus able to reside in the fullness of Being and act in the world from that higher dimensional matrix of who we really are. Subtly and mysteriously shepherding us in this process has been our relationship, rooted in awe and the deepest respect, for the sacred spirit of the mushroom. If entered upon as a spiritual quest, this relationship has much to offer. The Mazatecs know this well, which is why it has been guarded very carefully for centuries. R. Gordon Wasson received this understanding from Maria Sabina and also tried to share it's essentially sacred nature in his writings. And we too have been handed the keys and are charged with the responsibility of fully receiving, embodying and transmitting the tradition. I pray we are able to live up to it's fullest potential.


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    #16053729 - 04/06/12 05:43 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

One of the things that really struck me about the Mazatec approach to the magic-mushroom—in contrast to how it is often viewed in our own Western culture, is the degree to which the mushroom is appreciated and integrated by the Mazatec as an aspect of normal and everyday life. An old Mazatec grandmother or grandmother might exclaim in exasperation, ´I don´t know what is wrong with kids these days, they don´t even want to eat mushrooms anymore!´ Alot of how I try and relate to the mushroom has to do with really making a deliberate effort to simply carry myself with a certain basic integrity and decency. In a recent conversation with my dear friend Elfstone, he talked about praying to the mushroom that he might be able to carry himself with integrity and dignity. I really think this is a crucial aspect of relating to any of these sacred plants. What I think really ends up coming across in the Mazatec-ceremonial approach to the mushroom, their veneration of the mushroom as a disosito or niñito—a little precious one—is a very real and vital sense of the sacred in all of the little details of life. To me, the diositos—the precious little ones-- speak to the form of the sacred in the little details of our lives: the way we conduct ourselves on a daily basis.

      For those of us who grow mushrooms at home, this attention to detail becomes essential to the entire process of cultivation. Sterile-culture work subsists and succeeds on the degree to which we pay attention to the little details of the process. One of the things really interesting to me in regards to the cultivation of mushrooms under sterile parameters is the use of the word ´culture´ in the first place. Because, what we are talking about here is something that we actively cultivate, domesticate, engender and develop as part of a symbiotic relationship with nature. In attending to the details, I believe what in fact happens is that we realize we are an intimately connected and wholly creative expression of nature itself: domestication, cultivation IS nature. Anthropologist Christian Ratsch talks about psychoactivity itself as being the ´fountain of culture.´ Across history, this symbiotic process we experience in regards to nature has been the source of profound shifts in human culture. Agriculture and animal husbandry extend far back into pre-history, and has been functional in the expansion of the human species across several niches on planet earth.  Forest gardening and horticultural societies along jungle-clad river banks and wet foothills in monsoon regions effectively laid the foundations for the modern forms of civilization. Many anthropologists have argued that the division of labour subsequent to these forms of plant-human symbiosis are the elemental prima materia upon which higher cultural achievements such as graphics art, poetry, philosophy and epic literature are based. Yet, what is it precisely about the human-plant symbiosis that evolves such cultural innovation?

      Gazing back into the roots of our own Western civilization, we find the mysteries at Eleusis which were arguably fueled by a human-plant relationship. In the works of the Pre-Socratic philosopher Empedocles—one of the father´s of science, western civilization and the theory of elements in chemistry--we find an elaborate symbology that utilizes plant metaphors in it´s enumeration,

´Here we need to remember the special importance Empedocles attached to describing the principles of love and repulsion in the world of plants; his self-declared expertise, as a sorcerer, in the field of plant remedies and magic; and the fact that, when he gives instructions to his disciple for mastering the magical power of his teaching, he specifically compares the process of nurturing his words with the process of tending and nurturing plants.´ (from pg. 299 of Peter Kingsley´s ´Ancient Philosophy, Mystery and Magic´)

So what is it about entering into a relationship with a plant that has this tendency to inspire cultural innovation and transformation? One of the really fascinating and interesting aspects of Rupert Sheldrake´s ´theory of morphic resonance' describes the manner in which new morphic fields are generated by the evolutionary process. In chapter four of Sheldrake´s ´A New Science of Life: The Hypothesis of Formative Causation,' he speculates as to the particular form and nature of what he calls ´morphogenetic germs,' observing that ´during morphogenesis a new higher-level morphic unit comes into being around this germ, under the influence of a specific morphogenetic field.´ So let me simply suggest that this observed association between human cultural innovation is a form of morphogenesis; the ´germ´ or ´soul' of a human being comes under the influence of the specific ´morphogenetic field of the plant.´

When the Mazatec refer to their diosito, they are in fact refering to this ´higher-level morphic unit´ that constellates around the soul of a being enraptured by the morphogenetic field of the mushroom-intelligence. In a very real sense then, you can describe the onset of the mushroom-ecstasy as being a process of incubation and gestation whereby the mushroom ingests your very mind in order to produce a higher-form and transformed entity. This is the true meaning of the Greek word from which ecstasy is derived, ekstasis or to be completely removed from oneself; the mushroom takes you outside of your limited ego-cocoon.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #16053779 - 04/06/12 05:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I would actually 100% agree with what RR is saying here, which is why I would REALLY prefer that people not clone everything to high heaven; my use of the word ´domestication´ is colloquial in these posts. What we call ´cultivation´ or ´domestication' is really just an active process of harvesting wild-genetics, working with them in the lab-setting and then harvesting wild-genetics again: it´s a relationship with the wild/natural world. I think there is probably a limited lifespan to these strains in a lab sort of situation. So in terms of having a ´cultivation ethic,´ harvest as much wildspore material as you can and routinely return to it, then re-distribute those spores to keep the strain ´vital.´ 100% agree with RR here ...

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: truskool]
    #16053842 - 04/06/12 06:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I have not tried the stones out on this one, I am not a big fan of the stones as they seem to give me a mild-allergic sort of response.

I personally thought the fruits on this one were quite potent, a half gram was pretty solid and I think a gram would lay me down flat. Very friendly, pure and clean though. I am ALL about ´purity´ when it comes to the sort of mushroom I prefer to take.



What in your opinion is the purest?  Im not a big mushroom fan and would prefer to eat the purest cleanest I could to trip on when the opportunity arises that I am ready for a trip.  I dont mind stones and mex fruits but I think my next trip will be a big one on pan cyans.  Im hoping a big intense trip will give me some clarity and direction.




Copelandia has been a pretty wicked-mean mushroom in my experience, they have kind of a forceful vibe to them. I sort of think of it as if the mushroom has been ´infected´ or ´distorted´ somehow. I worked with an ayahuasca shaman who had a REAL negative attitude about mushrooms. After my second or third ayahuasca session with him, I went out to the field adjacent to where we were doing our ceremonies and the field was COVERED in Copelandia cyanescens. They are potent but a little vicious in my experience.

I stick with mexicana these days, basically ... zapotecorum was good when I ate it with the mazatec, seemed fairly clear. But, I would like to explore that one more thoroughly before declaring a verdict.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
    #16053868 - 04/06/12 06:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you for the advice.  Advice im surely going to take.  By both yours and rr's statements on them I think im best to stay away.  Its weird mushrooms have been the most profound aspect in my life.  They have changed so much of it in so many ways.  I barely do them.  The only thing I have ever had a passion for in my life is growing mushrooms.  There is something so beautiful and majestic in mycellium and fruit bodies.  If I told any of my real life friends they would think ive lost my mind.  Thank god for shroomery cause i know there are others out there like me


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #16054199 - 04/06/12 07:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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The difference in morphology resulting from 453nm versus 6500k, the latter carrying far more white, is very significant.  The 6500K lamp results in longer stems, smaller caps, and a tendency to fall over.  The flush my friend just posted was fruited entirely under the True Lumen Actinic Blue LED 453nm 10" strip.  You can see the results.




I noticed the difference in the two grows.

I'm curious how much of that might be related to intensity.  As we know, the intensity of light decreases by roughly the square of the distance from the source.  Watts/Lux play a big part here too, not just frequency.  Long stems and a tendency to fall over(CO2 concentrations being equal) indicate insufficient light to supply the energy needs of the developing fungus.  It might be interesting to compare using a high-end light meter.

In our mushroom farm, we initially used 100% LED lighting.  After the second year, performance as measured by number of pinheads and weight of finished product was not quite up to par, a problem which was fixed by adding a few high wattage CFL lamps to supplement the LEDs.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #16054452 - 04/06/12 09:01 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You have a good point there RR.  I will pull out my light meter and see what the reading is under each.  The LED is amazingly bright and, affixed to the inside of the lid of the fruiting container, not being filtered and diminished by the translucent lid, which my 100W GE 6500K Daylight CFL was having to shine through.  The other advantage of the LED is the low heat.  I would suspect that, after a year of use, the LED lighting diminishes in their intensity as well.


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #16057052 - 04/07/12 01:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

E. Badham's article in Mycologia, http://www.scribd.com/doc/73257989/The-Effect-of-Light-Upon-Basidiocarp-Initiation-in-Psilocybe-Cubensis, suggests that specific frequency is key in initiation of fruiting.  Hr did not look at intensity and effects on fruit body formation though.  Would make an interesting study.


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E. Badham's article in Mycologia, http://www.scribd.com/doc/73257989/The-Effect-of-Light-Upon-Basidiocarp-Initiation-in-Psilocybe-Cubensis, suggests that specific frequency is key in initiation of fruiting.  Hr did not look at intensity and effects on fruit body formation though.  Would make an interesting study.



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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: truskool]
    #16057529 - 04/07/12 03:38 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Hr did not look at intensity and effects on fruit body formation though.  Would make an interesting study.




That's what I've been studying for the last two decades.  One can use the wrong frequency light and make up for it with intensity and get the same results.  However, that's energy intensive and wasteful. I've seen stellar flushes of P cubensis grown under 1kw HPS, stellar flushes grown under 400w MH, and stellar flushes grown with 13 watt 6500K CFL, and darn good flushes of shiitake grown under .8 watt per foot LED light rope(cool white).

The goal in green-energy farming is to find the lowest wattage lamps which will provide the desired results.  My experiments point to 6500K lamps, low wattage, but placed very close to the substrate.

The biggest problem with that old study is he only considered primordia formation in cubensis, which we all know will pin in total darkness.  Developing mushrooms derive energy from the light, and use it all the way to harvest.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #16057629 - 04/07/12 03:59 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

muy interesante ... the first fruiting of the cn-mex I posted images of, was with 6500K ... but a good three feet above the subtrate ... whereas the 453nm blue LED was a foot or so above the substrate. In my set-up, the disadvantage of the 6500K is the heat it generates ... the heat causes alot of temp fluctuations, and getting temp down where I live during the summer is a real challenge. I have to admit, I really like the blue-LED ... I could try and experiment, but damned if I am not tired of experimentation! The LED seems to work well in my current situation.

So while yes, we can in some sense assume that difference in fruiting and morphology is related to the light ... we don´t yet know precisely what it is about the light that is causing the difference ... it might have nothing to do with the blue-LED at all. Honestly, we can also assume that different species will respond to differing wavelengths of light ... I still have to wonder--simply cuz the results are purdy bangin´--if something about the blue-LED in particular is to credit here. Room for speculation!

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
    #16058309 - 04/07/12 06:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I really like the other-worldly color, low heat source, energy efficiency, and especially the resulting fruit body formation of this species under this lighting.  Think for now, I'm sticking with it.  :cool:


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #16058465 - 04/07/12 07:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I really like the other-worldly color, low heat source, energy efficiency, and especially the resulting fruit body formation of this species under this lighting.  Think for now, I'm sticking with it.  :cool:



Yea it seems to be working pretty good for you.  If it aint broke....:shrug:

Overall it looks like an awesome grow and it looks like the blue LED's are treating you pretty good.  So good im going to mess around with them a little bit I believe.  I just need to order some more blue LED's and a smaller driver as I only have 60+w drivers  I dont see myself needing more than 3-4 1w LED's for a FC.  Maybe try straight blue and blue mixed with cool whites and see the results.


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: truskool]
    #16059604 - 04/08/12 12:55 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: higgledy-piggledy] * 1
    #16064394 - 04/09/12 08:47 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

A couple of comments on the use of the name ´chicon nindo,'

I have just been calling it the Chicon Nindo Mexicana, or cn-mex for short. Using the term ´Huautla´ would be more readily recognizable to people, it is simply that there is already a widely circulated ´Huautla-´strain of cubensis. The term ´Chicon Nindo´ actually gives it a specific geographic tag, in that the ´Chicon Nindo´ is the Mazatec name for the actual mountain upon which they were found. It has a personal meaning to me, in so far as it concerns one of my most favorite stories about Maria Sabina--recounted in Alvaro Estrada´s ´Maria Sabina: Her Life and Chants,' and her encounter with the Chicon Nindo. After the death of her first husband, Sabina performed a vigil for her sister. During the vigil, she had a vision of several arch-angelic type beings whom she described as ´the Principal Ones of whom my ancestors spoke.' In this vision, the Principal One´s gave her a book they called ´The Book of Wisdom,' and ´The Book of Language.´ It was a book she was given in order to perform her healing work. In her own words,

´I had attained perfection, I was no longer a simple apprentice. For that, as a prize, as a nomination, the Book had been granted me. When one takes the saint children, one can see the Principal Ones. Otherwise not. And it´s because the mushrooms are saints; they give wisdom. Wisdom is Language. Language is in the book. The Book is granted by the Principal Ones. The Principal Ones appear through the great power of the children.´


and then later in the same recounting,


´In that same vigil, after the Book disappeared, I had another vision: I saw the Supreme Lord of the Mountains, Chicon Nindo. I saw a man on h orseback come toward my hut. I knew—the voice told me—that that being was an important person. His mount was beautiful: a white horse, white as foam. A beautiful horse.


The personage reined up his mount at the door of my hut. I could see him through the walls. I was inside the house but my eyes had the power to see through any obstacle. The personage waited for me to go out.


With decision I went out to meet him. I stood next to him.


Yes it was Chicon Nindo, he who lives on Nindo Tocosho, he who is the Lord of the Mountains. He who has the power to enchant spirits. He who himself cures the sick.


To whom turkeys are sacrificed, to whom the Curers give cacao in order for him to cure.


I stood next to him and went closer. I saw that he didn´t have a face though he wore a white sombrero. His face, yes, his face was like a shadow.


The night was black; the clouds covered the sky but Chicon Nindo was like a being covered by a halo. I became mute.


Chicon Nindo didn´t say a word. All of a suddent he set his mount into motion to continue on his way. He disappeared along the path, in the direction of his dwelling place: the enormous Mountain of Adoration, Nindo Tocosh. He lives there, while I live on Fortress Mountain, the closest one to Nindo Tocosho. That makes us neighbors. Chicon Nindo had come because in my wise Language I had called him.´


In clarification, the mountain referred to by Sabina as ´Nindo Tocosho,' is referred to interchangably by locals as also being the deity whom dwells in the mountain, ´Chicon Nindo,' as well as being referred to at the peak as the ´cerro de adoracion,´ the ´mountain of adoration.´ The terms are use interchangeably by the Mazatec to refer to the same place. Also, while in this particular story Sabina talks about living on ´Fortress Mountain,' in her latter life she moved into a house on the Chicon Nindo itself, at the mouth of a pathway leading up to the crest of the cerro de adoracion. The place in which I harvested the original prints of this species was perhaps 200 yards from this house.



So, I do personally like the name ´Chicon-Nindo Mexicana´ for these reasons, but am happy to see people call it whatever they wish really.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
    #16065662 - 04/09/12 02:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

damn..i spent great time reading this interesting thread...thx for informations

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: mushmare]
    #16069305 - 04/10/12 09:28 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

so, to make a long-story ... LONG ... 3-quart jars ... 55 dry grams from the first flush ... so 18ish dry grams per jar ... one flush ... that is better than cubensis on yield ...

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
    #16069371 - 04/10/12 09:51 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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so, to make a long-story ... LONG ... 3-quart jars ... 55 dry grams from the first flush ... so 18ish dry grams per jar ... one flush ... that is better than cubensis on yield ...



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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
    #16069961 - 04/10/12 12:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah it's an epic growlog. These mushrooms must really love you guys. :smile: :aweyeah:

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: husmmoor]
    #16071134 - 04/10/12 04:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Have you noticed a difference in trips between the sclerotia and mushrooms?

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: bukujutsu]
    #16071298 - 04/10/12 04:57 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Sclerotia trigger my vomit reflex, carpophores do not.


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone] * 1
    #16071437 - 04/10/12 05:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Some people are very sensitive to texture. It could be purely psychological.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: bukujutsu]
    #16074005 - 04/11/12 04:14 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I actually have an iron stomach and can pretty much ingest anything, including cactus juice, but the mexicana sclerotia have something that triggers both an allergic type, scratchy throat reaction, and reliably result in regurgitation. The tampanensis and galindoi sit just fine.  It is definitely some irritant in the mexicana sclerotia that I am sensitive to.  Piltzintli, I believe,mhas the same response.


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #16076366 - 04/11/12 04:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder if the stones had become slightly rancid?  I have felt like that if they didn't get fully dry before packaging and there was an odor and bad taste.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: RogerRabbit] * 1
    #16078442 - 04/12/12 12:25 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Possibly a reaction to bacteria on insufficiently dried Sclerotia.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: inski]
    #16103889 - 04/17/12 08:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Last time I tried it, I ate fresh sclerotia, that tasted like nuts and went down easy.  They were in no way rancid.  They came up quick and easy too.  I have not had this reaction to tampanensis or galindoi.  I am just sensitive to something in the mexicana sclerotia; of this I have no doubt.  I see similar variation in the responses of my patients to prescribed medications; what sits well with one is not tolerated in another.  The individual variation in neuro-receptors is as diverse as our genetic make-up.  If mexicana scerotia sit well with you, wonderful!  I'll pass though...


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #16105579 - 04/18/12 07:38 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I tend to get transient nausea and a swollen-itchy throat with the sclerotia as well. On a certain level it makes sense, as sclerotia are essentially a nutrient storage adaptation employed by the fungi when fruiting conditions are not ideal. In nature, it would make sense that the fungi would want to prevent the ingestion of the sclerotia in burrowing animals by producing some sort of irritant. Contrast this to the clear fitness in having the fruit-bodies be edible, where eating, disturbing and moving fruitbodies actually spreads out the genetic material and confers an adaptive advantage. My guess is that if there is an irritant in the sclerotia, it is probably some sort of volatile oil. So, drying them out thoroughly may in fact help with the nausea and allergic-type responses that at least some of us get.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
    #16106307 - 04/18/12 11:41 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

2nd flush, 190grams wet weight ... mexicana prefers dry to wet weight in the dry:wet weight ratio when compared to cubensis ... not bad:


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    #16121267 - 04/21/12 06:37 PM (12 years, 30 days ago)

For those who sent me their addresses requesting a print, please resend to elfstone@shroomery.org.  I inadvertently deleted the messages while cleaning up my inbox on the shroomery private message server.


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
    #16121418 - 04/21/12 07:12 PM (12 years, 30 days ago)

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #16125634 - 04/22/12 07:03 PM (12 years, 29 days ago)

Useless comment . To thread .

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Lennybernadino]
    #16127247 - 04/23/12 03:53 AM (12 years, 28 days ago)

Fantastic grow, piltzintli! Is there a 3rd flush on the way? How many flushes do you expect from them?


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    #16127598 - 04/23/12 08:21 AM (12 years, 28 days ago)

The last time I fruited them, they gave 2 really good flushes and 2 light ones ... so maybe I will get a 3rd/4th ... we will see.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
    #16150499 - 04/28/12 09:12 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

3rd flush -



the first time I fruited this strain under the 6500K, the third flush was basically one fruit; something about the lighting in this grow has definitely made all of the difference.

One thing that also may be part of the results here is the casing-technique I developed. For many years, casing was really problematic for me with lots of trichoderma contamination. So, I basically developed a particular pasteurization technique that works really well. I have left casings unattended with zero FAE over five month periods with this technique, and had zero contamination pop up. So, I know it works for defeating trichoderma in the casing.

Basically I mix 4:1 sifted peat moss:calci-sand ( http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2752729 ) colorless, bring it up to the correct moisture-content, pack it into a series of quart jars. Cap the jars, and in the center jar I use a cap with a nail-punched hole in it. I place a thermometer into the center of the casing material through the hole. Place all the jars in a stock pot lined on the bottom with old jar lids or something to elevate the jars off the heated metal bottom-surface. Fill with cool water and then turn the heat on high. I then allow the water to start boiling, and around the time the temperature hits 115F on the thermometer, I cut and then monitor the heat. Once it reaches 150F, I start the timer and maintain the temperature between 150F-170F (160F or so is perfect) for 1.5 hours.

It is kind of a pain in the ass, but I know it works very well ... and could have possibly contributed to the great results here. Sterilization of the casing layer apparently also works; as to which one works better, we don´t really know yet.

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    #16150520 - 04/28/12 09:23 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

That's the way I show it in my DVD.  You can also use synthetic filter disks on each jar except the one you use with the thermometer.  Then, just use the one you measured with right away and the rest can be saved for later.

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With the casing on the substrate or in storage in the jars?  I did some experiments this past winter with Agrocybe aegerita, where I opened up the substrate bags (when nearly colonized) in front of the flowhood and added the casing layer and then sealed the bags back up.  This allowed the casing layer to begin colonizing in sterile conditions.  It worked well, but was a lot of trouble for a relatively low-value mushroom.  Is this what you're referring to?
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    #16150839 - 04/28/12 11:20 AM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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That's the way I show it in my DVD.  You can also use synthetic filter disks on each jar except the one you use with the thermometer.  Then, just use the one you measured with right away and the rest can be saved for later.




I must have missed that section in the video or something, I have tended to use the video as reference-material while working on a procedure. For a long time, we were doing a ´pseudo-pasteurization´ where we would pack jars into a stock pot, fill with water and then bring the water up to boiling ... shut the flame off, and let it sit in the hot-water bath for an hour. Success was sporadic, which just won´t do ... so I put a thermometer in and basically started pasteurizing like you would with wheatstraw ... I think it is the way to go. I will have to check the video-section out again on pasteurizing casing. I did a lengthy write-up on the technique for a friend of mine who is an MD, and so a real stickler for procedural details. It would be preferable to just refer people to your video, really.

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With the casing on the substrate or in storage in the jars?  I did some experiments this past winter with Agrocybe aegerita, where I opened up the substrate bags (when nearly colonized) in front of the flowhood and added the casing layer and then sealed the bags back up.  This allowed the casing layer to begin colonizing in sterile conditions.  It worked well, but was a lot of trouble for a relatively low-value mushroom.  Is this what you're referring to?
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With the casing on the substrate. After I first got the CN-mexi to fruit, I basically just ignored all of my cultivation projects for like 6 months ... there was a casing I had left in my fruiting closet with the lid on the fruiting container. So, this was not under sterile conditions like you describe above. After several months (I think about five), I went in to check on the casing expecting everything to be overgrown with trichoderma and it was still clean. A couple rogue-fruits had popped up and the casing was covered in a spore layer, but no contamination. I would not be surprised if maybe spores themselves didn´t have some sort of anti-biotic property to them though, who knows ...

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    #16151000 - 04/28/12 12:11 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

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    #16152207 - 04/28/12 05:42 PM (12 years, 23 days ago)

Is calci-sand better than hydrated lime for this?

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    #16154587 - 04/29/12 08:31 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

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Is calci-sand better than hydrated lime for this?




Calci-sand--which primarily contains calcium carbonate--is definitely a little easier to use than hydrated lime, which is primarily comprised of calcium hydroxide. The reason for this is that calcium carbonate largely functions as a pH-buffer, and so maintains the pH within a certain reasonable range. You really cannot add too much calcium carbonate to a casing. Calcium hydroxide from hydrated lime is a strong base--it readily disassociates into it´s ionic form in solution, so the pH will continue to climb as you add more up to the point that saturation is reached. I think saturation-pH with calcium hydroxide is somewhere above 12, which will burn the shit out of your casings and your hands.

I basically have tried using hydrated lime and burnt the shit out of my casings, so don´t use it. If--however--you have a pH monitor or can do some sort of pH-calculation for your casing, it does work and can be used.

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    #16159463 - 04/30/12 09:34 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

Have you experienced any nausea with other sclerotia producing strains? I'm interested in growing this and sending prints to the free spore ring.

RogerRabbit, what's your view on using calci-sand? I know you recommend hydrated lime over other commonly used things because of the lag in raising the PH and casings usually only lasting a few weeks at most, but what about in this case?

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    #16160774 - 04/30/12 02:50 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

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Have you experienced any nausea with other sclerotia producing strains? I'm interested in growing this and sending prints to the free spore ring.

RogerRabbit, what's your view on using calci-sand? I know you recommend hydrated lime over other commonly used things because of the lag in raising the PH and casings usually only lasting a few weeks at most, but what about in this case?




per the nausea and allergic-type response, I get it with sclerotia in every strain I have tried. I have NOT tried the sclerotia of Ps. tampanensis, but have heard that there is little to no nausea-allergic response in predisposed individuals with that one. I think it may be a matter of strain and predisposition towards that particular effect.

hydrated lime definitely does work, I just personally don´t like it so much cuz it is so caustic ... but I use a 1:4 ratio with the calci-sand, which is quite a bit. I would guess it is much more expensive to use calci-sand vs. hydrated lime. If you know what you are doing and can get the pH right, hydrated lime will definitely work and is probably significantly cheaper. When I mix the calci-sand into the moistened peat moss, I really stir the shit out of it thoroughly distribute it throughout the casing layer. I don´t have a pH-meter, so don´t precisely know how it effects the pH ... I have definitely used it with plenty of success though.

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    #16161454 - 04/30/12 05:12 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

I remember a thread where a guy used a layer of sand above the substrate and had astounding flushes. Maybe it's the calci-sand that led to such fine fruiting, not necessarily the strain.

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    #16161505 - 04/30/12 05:19 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

Many Mexican species like a sandy casing soil.  I do not (or did anyway)
think that this was a matter of pH though.

From the classic paper by Dr. Pollock:
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various sands and calcareous (chalky) earths."

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    #16171479 - 05/02/12 02:12 PM (12 years, 19 days ago)

So, I think this thread is slowly coming to a close here. We are gradually getting spores out to interested parties. For those who are in Europe and outside of the US, I made an effort to lay down a bunch of prints on vellum-paper yesterday. The paper appears to absorb moisture very rapidly, so even using a sterile syringe with water to cover the caps with droplets was not keeping the caps moist enough. Within about four hours of laying the caps down to make prints, they were fairly dried out. So, we are working into an alternative means for printing that will allow us to send out spores in plain envelopes and letter-cards. My preferred printing medium is glass-slides, but these would require a customs declaration in order to send out of country, which I am not willing to do.

As I have mentioned to a couple of people, I have never been particularly interested in any sort of visibility regarding this mushroom. I had no intentions whatsoever of posting on any of the online forums until elfstone became ´filled with the Spirit´ and made his initial post on this new strain of mexicana. But, this has been alot of fun and I feel we have provided an honest and sincere introductory sense of a certain possibility that abides within the mushroom. If just one person becomes honestly inspired to look more deeply into this mystery, then I believe something momentus has been achieved here.

So, the third flush came in ~20 dried grams. I expect a fourth flush with about the same yield. As it stands, I have yielded ~100 dry grams of carpophores from 3 cased-quart jars; I would guess that I will end up with 120+ dried grams total. That is actually a pretty remarkable yield, I think; I have been a bit surprised how prolific this one has been. We are working on a couple of new strains here, including Ps. zapotecorum and what I believe is Ps. caerulescens var mazatecorum ... should we have any success with that, I will certainly post.

God bless everyone! Again, contact me if you would like spores on this one; it will take time, but I will certainly do my best.

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    #16171544 - 05/02/12 02:26 PM (12 years, 19 days ago)

I recommend making prints on foil.  It is a lot easier to get the spores off of foil when the receiving party decides to do some microscopy.  When the spores are on paper you often get paper fibers in your images because some of the fibers come up when you scrape them off.

Why are you calling it P. caerulescens var. mazatecorum rather than just P. caerulescens?

P. zapotecorum has some lookalikes including P. subzapotecorum and P. barrerae so it might be interesting to check the microscopy on those.

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    #16171934 - 05/02/12 03:53 PM (12 years, 19 days ago)

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I recommend making prints on foil.  It is a lot easier to get the spores off of foil when the receiving party decides to do some microscopy.  When the spores are on paper you often get paper fibers in your images because some of the fibers come up when you scrape them off.

Why are you calling it P. caerulescens var. mazatecorum rather than just P. caerulescens?

P. zapotecorum has some lookalikes including P. subzapotecorum and P. barrerae so it might be interesting to check the microscopy on those.




You know, I actually tried foil here alongside my usual glass slides. I did the whole protocol that we use for making prints, which includes placing droplets on the caps over about a 72 hour period to keep them well-hydrated. 100% of my glass slides came out great, and only 20% of the foil prints came out thick and heavy ... the remaining 80% were just really light and not all that great. I have used foil before with cubensis and other species, and have not had problems. However, mexicana has posed a definite challenge in so far as making thick, high quality prints is concerned. This recent effort with the foil seems to suggest that these guys just plain old don´t like foil.

I am specifying var. mazatecorum here to distinguish this strain from the other caerulescens-type or derrumbe strain I was told about in Huautla de Jimenez: the so-called ´blue derrumbe.' I don´t know the specifics here, but locals made a clear distinction between two types of derrumbe. The particular sort of caerulescens I found looked verbatim like the old images that were drawn by Roger Heim and labelled ´Psilocybe caerulescens var mazatecorum,´ http://www.stainblue.com/Psilocybe_caerulescens.jpg . I never personally saw specimens of the ´blue derrumbe,´ but have seen photos that have been pointed out to me as being representative of the ´blue derrumbe.´ If you look at this image:

http://www.fungifun.org/psilosophy/img/species/psilocybe_caerulescens1.jpg

the specimen to the left is representative of what people tended to call the ´blue derrumbe.´ But, as I said ... I never found specimens of this one and don´t know the specifics of what it actually is ... maybe it is a separate species altogether, or a particular stage of Ps. caerulescens.

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    #16173097 - 05/02/12 07:25 PM (12 years, 19 days ago)

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You know, I actually tried foil here alongside my usual glass slides. I did the whole protocol that we use for making prints, which includes placing droplets on the caps over about a 72 hour period to keep them well-hydrated. 100% of my glass slides came out great, and only 20% of the foil prints came out thick and heavy ... the remaining 80% were just really light and not all that great. I have used foil before with cubensis and other species, and have not had problems. However, mexicana has posed a definite challenge in so far as making thick, high quality prints is concerned. This recent effort with the foil seems to suggest that these guys just plain old don´t like foil.




I don't see how mushrooms could know or care if there is glass or foil under them.  It would be interesting to try it a few more times under controlled conditions.

Paper can absorb moisture and make them spore less.


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I am specifying var. mazatecorum here to distinguish this strain from the other caerulescens-type or derrumbe strain I was told about in Huautla de Jimenez: the so-called ´blue derrumbe.' I don´t know the specifics here, but locals made a clear distinction between two types of derrumbe.




There are many types of derrumbe - around 20.  Many require a microscope to differentiate.

All stain blue and could be called the blue derrumbe.

I would just call it P. caerulescens unless there is some reason to call it var. mazatecorum.


It is likely that P. caerulescens var. mazatecorum is the same as regular P. caerulescens.  Maybe a different strain.  But every time you find a mushroom in the wild it is a different strain.  The ladies in Guadalajara who are doing the Psilocybe DNA work are considering synonymizing many species which look like P. caerulescens, perhaps including villarrealiae and weilii.  I think that might be a mistake.  It will be interesting to see what actually gets published, and how P. caerulescens var. mazatecorum fits into this.

I can not find any information on Psilocybe caerulescens var. mazatecorum and I think that it is an invalid name.

I checked google and the Guzman monograph.

The only other place I can think to check is where the name was originally published, Revue Mycol., Paris 22: 78 (1957).  But the Mexican mycology done in the 50's is crap and I doubt that document would have anything valuable to add.

A bunch of gringos went to Mexico in the 50's and described a bunch of species and varieties, but their work wasn't very good, the type collections sucked and many have been lost, leaving modern mycologists with no idea what they were talking about and it is difficult or impossible to apply their names to modern collections.  In many cases microscopy wasn't done at all, and when it was, it was often wrong and they did not notice obvious things like pleurocystidia.






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    #16173317 - 05/02/12 08:02 PM (12 years, 19 days ago)

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I don't see how mushrooms could know or care if there is glass or foil under them.  It would be interesting to try it a few more times under controlled conditions.

Paper can absorb moisture and make them spore less.






The only thing I can think is that there may be some electrostatic force at work that causes the mushroom to either hold onto or drop their spore material; and the foil perhaps has some effect on the electrostatics. But yea, you would want more of a controlled experimental protocol to determine that definitively. In the case of paper, I am sure the absorptive properties--like you say--are why the spores did not readily lay. Basically the caps dried out very rapidly.

I may try another set of foil prints, but the effect was pretty marked from what I could tell. I was basically taking both glass and foil prints under the same conditions in the same spot. 10 foil prints and 30 glass prints; all 30 glass prints came out great, and only 2/10 foil prints were even worth wrapping up. It is worth noting here, that I DID in fact take the original wild-prints on foil; I have not looked at the original prints in quite a long time, so don´t remember how light they were. I do know that the glass prints really came out nicely.

One very interesting thing I did notice, was that when I vacuum sealed the carpophores on this last flush ... a large amount of spore material arranged itself along the surface of the bag, almost as if they were iron filings under the influence of a magnet ... it had all the appearance of an electrostatic effect. Anyhow, given these observations I do wonder what the deal is here.

I think it is fairly clear in talking with you, that there is a very real ambiguity in terms of clear taxonomy and nomenclature on Ps. caerulescens. The particular nomenclature I have found myself using in regards to my own collection has been pretty ambiguous. The mycologist I was working with out in Huautla referred to the particular collection I made using the terms ´mazatecorum,' as well as ´nigripe.´ My own use of the term ´mazatecorum' was largely impressed on me by a copy of "Les Champignons Hallucinogenes du Mexique" we had on hand. The book contained these beautiful reproductions of the watercolor images painted by Roger Heim. I was particularly impressed in some way by a watercolor image that he labelled ´Psilocybe caerulescens var. mazatecorum.´

I have neither the Heim text nor the Guzman text on hand; in fact I unfortunately left a number of my mushroom texts out in mexico. It seems like particularly guzman´s text would be useful to have on hand as a reference. So, the short of it is that I don´t precisely know exactly what I have in terms of a variegen, but know there are several. I guess we shall see if we can fruit them and arrive at some definitive sort of answer here as to what sort of caerulescens this in fact is.

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    #16173725 - 05/02/12 09:05 PM (12 years, 19 days ago)

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I may try another set of foil prints, but the effect was pretty marked from what I could tell. I was basically taking both glass and foil prints under the same conditions in the same spot. 10 foil prints and 30 glass prints; all 30 glass prints came out great, and only 2/10 foil prints were even worth wrapping up. It is worth noting here, that I DID in fact take the original wild-prints on foil; I have not looked at the original prints in quite a long time, so don´t remember how light they were. I do know that the glass prints really came out nicely.




You could lay the mushrooms half on glass and half on foil and see how the prints come out.


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I think it is fairly clear in talking with you, that there is a very real ambiguity in terms of clear taxonomy and nomenclature on Ps. caerulescens. The particular nomenclature I have found myself using in regards to my own collection has been pretty ambiguous. The mycologist I was working with out in Huautla referred to the particular collection I made using the terms ´mazatecorum,' as well as ´nigripe.´ My own use of the term ´mazatecorum' was largely impressed on me by a copy of "Les Champignons Hallucinogenes du Mexique" we had on hand. The book contained these beautiful reproductions of the watercolor images painted by Roger Heim. I was particularly impressed in some way by a watercolor image that he labelled ´Psilocybe caerulescens var. mazatecorum.´




The black ones are well known in many mountains in Oaxaca.  Some people call them Psilocybe caerulescens var. nigripes.



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I guess we shall see if we can fruit them and arrive at some definitive sort of answer here as to what sort of caerulescens this in fact is.




It would be interesting to compare your pictures with with some of captain future's work in section Cordisporae.

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    #16174385 - 05/02/12 10:47 PM (12 years, 18 days ago)

Wax paper is good for prints. Be careful because the spores don't stick to the wax, remaining loose.  Fold well and tape to make sure the spores stay where they're supposed to.
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    #16185934 - 05/05/12 12:27 PM (12 years, 16 days ago)

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It would be interesting to compare your pictures with with some of captain future's work in section Cordisporae.




I will post my photos (too bad about the poor quality tho) of that Cordisporae you helped with the prelim-ID on ... I actually have alot of spore material of that one, but they do not at all take well to my conventional agar-protocol ... the mycellium is quite unusual, it is more like a Lion´s Mane on agar.

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Wax paper is good for prints. Be careful because the spores don't stick to the wax, remaining loose.  Fold well and tape to make sure the spores stay where they're supposed to.
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That was going to be our next effort, I honestly thought straight paper would work just fine. But, wax paper next and perhaps a little more experimentation with foil (which is just so convenient to use).

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    #16190006 - 05/06/12 11:22 AM (12 years, 15 days ago)

Just to illustrate the morphological differences between different strains of Ps. mexicana, here is a photo of the strain previously released by sporeworks as "strain-b:"



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    #16190665 - 05/06/12 02:42 PM (12 years, 15 days ago)

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I tend to get transient nausea and a swollen-itchy throat with the sclerotia as well.




i remember my first year taking mushrooms, i grown mazatapec. before the effects starts, i feel the flavor of the mushroom again in my throat. during the strongest part of the experience, i feel itchy skin and see my face with light dark spots. nowadays, only feel the itchy skin sometimes.


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    #16243150 - 05/16/12 11:22 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Thank you Elfstone for you words and for sharing your experiences and for going into some in depth info. I was very interested in what you had to share. So interested that I may want to try my hand at this new found species!:biggrin: I'll be :popcorn: your thread


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    #16286324 - 05/26/12 12:31 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Hey guys, unfortunately I can only receive regular flat envelopes, so I can't get a print from OP or elfstone.

If anyone has one I'd love to work with this strain and donate prints once it's grown. :smile:

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    #16286726 - 05/26/12 06:34 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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    #16669149 - 08/09/12 01:41 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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    #16671806 - 08/09/12 03:19 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I am in Huautla de Jiminez right now.  It has been raining the past 4 days, and rained all day today.  There are some cool mushrooms here.  I'll be here another week.  Where is this Chicon Nindo place?

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #16681554 - 08/11/12 11:20 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

hello everybody, could somebody please send me a print? thanks :heartpump::feelsshroomyman:


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: x7x_x7x]
    #16686888 - 08/12/12 10:47 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I have been trying to get a chicon nindo print for months with no luck. PM me. I got trades.


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: x7x_x7x]
    #16835555 - 09/12/12 03:11 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

just a gentle bump

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hello everybody, could somebody please send me a print? thanks :heartpump::feelsshroomyman:



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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: x7x_x7x]
    #16837765 - 09/12/12 08:44 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Ok this is  upsetting me alot,  we need to get this right

Chico Nihndo is the sacred spirit of the mountains

And the only thing Maria Sabina did was become the first  Tourist Shaman,  her grandson Philigonio, (still alive and well )well  my only advice is do not eat mushrooms with him or his wife!!

the name of the mountain is Tkosho,  so please please  can we all learn this and make the appropriate corrections,

I lived  above Huautla de Jimenez and studied the Mazatec Mushroom ceremony for 3 years if anyone feels like getting froggy and debating this with me,  its not worth my time or yours  so please,  just recognize the facts of what is what

thank you

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: harmonictime]
    #17778172 - 02/10/13 03:33 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

hello! somebody have prints of this mushroom? i still waiting one...


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: x7x_x7x]
    #17778393 - 02/10/13 04:18 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I would love a print as well.  This is the most fascinating thread I've read in the past 6 months.

I am equipped to do justice to this new strain.

Kindly PM me if you can help out.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Nature Boy]
    #17779695 - 02/10/13 08:17 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I have a strain from Colima I may play with one day.


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: psylosymonreturns]
    #17782398 - 02/11/13 10:34 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Hello all,

I started working with Chicon Nindo recently, but have found that it
managed to resists cleaning up fully, and I had very weak grain spawn
due to a remaining bacterial contam.

I am going to restart, but found, with some small humor and annoyance,
that the culture was more than strong enough to fruit:


Ah well, I will put the pin on fresh agar....we will see.

Take care,

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Javadog]
    #17782618 - 02/11/13 11:29 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Have you tried doing one run with antibiotic agar?

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Hacendado]
    #17783814 - 02/11/13 03:05 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I do not think so, but intend to when I restart.  I made two new
sleeves of agar (Corn Sweep agar-agar, carbon, peptone, yeast, and AB).

Take care bro,

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Javadog]
    #17783952 - 02/11/13 03:32 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

awwwwww.

that's a cute little pin:grin:

Hopefully JD posts a sick grow here pretty soon.

Good luck with the clone and new plates.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: x7x_x7x]
    #17787922 - 02/12/13 07:42 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

No more bumps to beg for prints please.  The original poster passed around a bunch of prints, so the next batch of user-generated ones will come soon.  Just wait patiently please.
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