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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: RogerRabbit]
#16054452 - 04/06/12 09:01 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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You have a good point there RR. I will pull out my light meter and see what the reading is under each. The LED is amazingly bright and, affixed to the inside of the lid of the fruiting container, not being filtered and diminished by the translucent lid, which my 100W GE 6500K Daylight CFL was having to shine through. The other advantage of the LED is the low heat. I would suspect that, after a year of use, the LED lighting diminishes in their intensity as well.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
#16057052 - 04/07/12 01:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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E. Badham's article in Mycologia, http://www.scribd.com/doc/73257989/The-Effect-of-Light-Upon-Basidiocarp-Initiation-in-Psilocybe-Cubensis, suggests that specific frequency is key in initiation of fruiting. Hr did not look at intensity and effects on fruit body formation though. Would make an interesting study.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
#16057171 - 04/07/12 02:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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elfstone said: E. Badham's article in Mycologia, http://www.scribd.com/doc/73257989/The-Effect-of-Light-Upon-Basidiocarp-Initiation-in-Psilocybe-Cubensis, suggests that specific frequency is key in initiation of fruiting. Hr did not look at intensity and effects on fruit body formation though. Would make an interesting study.
Yea im really interested in trying some lights on shrooms in the 452nm spectrum and see the results I get. Maybe try a cool white and just regular ambient lighting see the results that are the best
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: truskool]
#16057529 - 04/07/12 03:38 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hr did not look at intensity and effects on fruit body formation though. Would make an interesting study.
That's what I've been studying for the last two decades. One can use the wrong frequency light and make up for it with intensity and get the same results. However, that's energy intensive and wasteful. I've seen stellar flushes of P cubensis grown under 1kw HPS, stellar flushes grown under 400w MH, and stellar flushes grown with 13 watt 6500K CFL, and darn good flushes of shiitake grown under .8 watt per foot LED light rope(cool white).
The goal in green-energy farming is to find the lowest wattage lamps which will provide the desired results. My experiments point to 6500K lamps, low wattage, but placed very close to the substrate.
The biggest problem with that old study is he only considered primordia formation in cubensis, which we all know will pin in total darkness. Developing mushrooms derive energy from the light, and use it all the way to harvest. RR
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: RogerRabbit]
#16057629 - 04/07/12 03:59 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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muy interesante ... the first fruiting of the cn-mex I posted images of, was with 6500K ... but a good three feet above the subtrate ... whereas the 453nm blue LED was a foot or so above the substrate. In my set-up, the disadvantage of the 6500K is the heat it generates ... the heat causes alot of temp fluctuations, and getting temp down where I live during the summer is a real challenge. I have to admit, I really like the blue-LED ... I could try and experiment, but damned if I am not tired of experimentation! The LED seems to work well in my current situation.
So while yes, we can in some sense assume that difference in fruiting and morphology is related to the light ... we don´t yet know precisely what it is about the light that is causing the difference ... it might have nothing to do with the blue-LED at all. Honestly, we can also assume that different species will respond to differing wavelengths of light ... I still have to wonder--simply cuz the results are purdy bangin´--if something about the blue-LED in particular is to credit here. Room for speculation!
Edited by piltzintli (04/07/12 04:10 PM)
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
#16058309 - 04/07/12 06:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I really like the other-worldly color, low heat source, energy efficiency, and especially the resulting fruit body formation of this species under this lighting. Think for now, I'm sticking with it.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
#16058465 - 04/07/12 07:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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elfstone said: I really like the other-worldly color, low heat source, energy efficiency, and especially the resulting fruit body formation of this species under this lighting. Think for now, I'm sticking with it. 
Yea it seems to be working pretty good for you. If it aint broke....
Overall it looks like an awesome grow and it looks like the blue LED's are treating you pretty good. So good im going to mess around with them a little bit I believe. I just need to order some more blue LED's and a smaller driver as I only have 60+w drivers I dont see myself needing more than 3-4 1w LED's for a FC. Maybe try straight blue and blue mixed with cool whites and see the results.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: truskool]
#16059604 - 04/08/12 12:55 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: higgledy-piggledy] 1
#16064394 - 04/09/12 08:47 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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A couple of comments on the use of the name ´chicon nindo,'
I have just been calling it the Chicon Nindo Mexicana, or cn-mex for short. Using the term ´Huautla´ would be more readily recognizable to people, it is simply that there is already a widely circulated ´Huautla-´strain of cubensis. The term ´Chicon Nindo´ actually gives it a specific geographic tag, in that the ´Chicon Nindo´ is the Mazatec name for the actual mountain upon which they were found. It has a personal meaning to me, in so far as it concerns one of my most favorite stories about Maria Sabina--recounted in Alvaro Estrada´s ´Maria Sabina: Her Life and Chants,' and her encounter with the Chicon Nindo. After the death of her first husband, Sabina performed a vigil for her sister. During the vigil, she had a vision of several arch-angelic type beings whom she described as ´the Principal Ones of whom my ancestors spoke.' In this vision, the Principal One´s gave her a book they called ´The Book of Wisdom,' and ´The Book of Language.´ It was a book she was given in order to perform her healing work. In her own words,
´I had attained perfection, I was no longer a simple apprentice. For that, as a prize, as a nomination, the Book had been granted me. When one takes the saint children, one can see the Principal Ones. Otherwise not. And it´s because the mushrooms are saints; they give wisdom. Wisdom is Language. Language is in the book. The Book is granted by the Principal Ones. The Principal Ones appear through the great power of the children.´
and then later in the same recounting,
´In that same vigil, after the Book disappeared, I had another vision: I saw the Supreme Lord of the Mountains, Chicon Nindo. I saw a man on h orseback come toward my hut. I knew—the voice told me—that that being was an important person. His mount was beautiful: a white horse, white as foam. A beautiful horse.
The personage reined up his mount at the door of my hut. I could see him through the walls. I was inside the house but my eyes had the power to see through any obstacle. The personage waited for me to go out.
With decision I went out to meet him. I stood next to him.
Yes it was Chicon Nindo, he who lives on Nindo Tocosho, he who is the Lord of the Mountains. He who has the power to enchant spirits. He who himself cures the sick.
To whom turkeys are sacrificed, to whom the Curers give cacao in order for him to cure.
I stood next to him and went closer. I saw that he didn´t have a face though he wore a white sombrero. His face, yes, his face was like a shadow.
The night was black; the clouds covered the sky but Chicon Nindo was like a being covered by a halo. I became mute.
Chicon Nindo didn´t say a word. All of a suddent he set his mount into motion to continue on his way. He disappeared along the path, in the direction of his dwelling place: the enormous Mountain of Adoration, Nindo Tocosh. He lives there, while I live on Fortress Mountain, the closest one to Nindo Tocosho. That makes us neighbors. Chicon Nindo had come because in my wise Language I had called him.´
In clarification, the mountain referred to by Sabina as ´Nindo Tocosho,' is referred to interchangably by locals as also being the deity whom dwells in the mountain, ´Chicon Nindo,' as well as being referred to at the peak as the ´cerro de adoracion,´ the ´mountain of adoration.´ The terms are use interchangeably by the Mazatec to refer to the same place. Also, while in this particular story Sabina talks about living on ´Fortress Mountain,' in her latter life she moved into a house on the Chicon Nindo itself, at the mouth of a pathway leading up to the crest of the cerro de adoracion. The place in which I harvested the original prints of this species was perhaps 200 yards from this house.
So, I do personally like the name ´Chicon-Nindo Mexicana´ for these reasons, but am happy to see people call it whatever they wish really.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
#16065662 - 04/09/12 02:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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damn..i spent great time reading this interesting thread...thx for informations
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: mushmare]
#16069305 - 04/10/12 09:28 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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so, to make a long-story ... LONG ... 3-quart jars ... 55 dry grams from the first flush ... so 18ish dry grams per jar ... one flush ... that is better than cubensis on yield ...
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
#16069371 - 04/10/12 09:51 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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piltzintli said: so, to make a long-story ... LONG ... 3-quart jars ... 55 dry grams from the first flush ... so 18ish dry grams per jar ... one flush ... that is better than cubensis on yield ...
  Thats incredible
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
#16069961 - 04/10/12 12:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah it's an epic growlog. These mushrooms must really love you guys.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: husmmoor]
#16071134 - 04/10/12 04:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Have you noticed a difference in trips between the sclerotia and mushrooms?
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: bukujutsu]
#16071298 - 04/10/12 04:57 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sclerotia trigger my vomit reflex, carpophores do not.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone] 1
#16071437 - 04/10/12 05:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Some people are very sensitive to texture. It could be purely psychological.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: bukujutsu]
#16074005 - 04/11/12 04:14 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I actually have an iron stomach and can pretty much ingest anything, including cactus juice, but the mexicana sclerotia have something that triggers both an allergic type, scratchy throat reaction, and reliably result in regurgitation. The tampanensis and galindoi sit just fine. It is definitely some irritant in the mexicana sclerotia that I am sensitive to. Piltzintli, I believe,mhas the same response.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
#16076366 - 04/11/12 04:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wonder if the stones had become slightly rancid? I have felt like that if they didn't get fully dry before packaging and there was an odor and bad taste. RR
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: RogerRabbit] 1
#16078442 - 04/12/12 12:25 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Possibly a reaction to bacteria on insufficiently dried Sclerotia. ...Hey Ythan, can we have a forum dedicated to ethnomycology, "entheomycology"?
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: inski]
#16103889 - 04/17/12 08:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Last time I tried it, I ate fresh sclerotia, that tasted like nuts and went down easy. They were in no way rancid. They came up quick and easy too. I have not had this reaction to tampanensis or galindoi. I am just sensitive to something in the mexicana sclerotia; of this I have no doubt. I see similar variation in the responses of my patients to prescribed medications; what sits well with one is not tolerated in another. The individual variation in neuro-receptors is as diverse as our genetic make-up. If mexicana scerotia sit well with you, wonderful! I'll pass though...
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