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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
#16047667 - 04/05/12 12:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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wow what a genetics
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piltzintli said: Looking really pretty I think ... thanks Allan for recommendations on the camera, unfortunately the tightest aperture is a 4.5. But, you get the picture:

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: x7x_x7x]
#16051730 - 04/06/12 07:38 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I love any mexican strain.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Hatter1111]
#16051750 - 04/06/12 07:50 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I seen a post by not too long ago talking about the best flushes and pinsets he ever got was from wild prints. Un domesticated genetics. Im wondering if you got the nice flushes due to the un domestication of these genetics?
Your results with the royal blue LED's is very interesting also. Makes me want to hook some up to a driver and see what happens
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
#16051809 - 04/06/12 08:24 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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that is an amazing philosophy. I agree with it 100% People in academia tend but be very book smart but extremely lacking in emotional and moral intelligence
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: i like cow poo] 1
#16052261 - 04/06/12 10:59 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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last photo before I take prints, but ... gotta say, one HELL of a flush of mexicana:
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
#16052299 - 04/06/12 11:12 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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i just wandered how the potency is one the fruits one stone producers?
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: growshroom]
#16052442 - 04/06/12 11:56 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
#16052760 - 04/06/12 01:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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piltzintli said: last photo before I take prints, but ... gotta say, one HELL of a flush of mexicana:

An optimal flush!
Great work.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: growshroom]
#16052799 - 04/06/12 01:31 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have not tried the stones out on this one, I am not a big fan of the stones as they seem to give me a mild-allergic sort of response.
I personally thought the fruits on this one were quite potent, a half gram was pretty solid and I think a gram would lay me down flat. Very friendly, pure and clean though. I am ALL about ´purity´ when it comes to the sort of mushroom I prefer to take.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
#16052908 - 04/06/12 01:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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piltzintli said: I have not tried the stones out on this one, I am not a big fan of the stones as they seem to give me a mild-allergic sort of response.
I personally thought the fruits on this one were quite potent, a half gram was pretty solid and I think a gram would lay me down flat. Very friendly, pure and clean though. I am ALL about ´purity´ when it comes to the sort of mushroom I prefer to take.
What in your opinion is the purest? Im not a big mushroom fan and would prefer to eat the purest cleanest I could to trip on when the opportunity arises that I am ready for a trip. I dont mind stones and mex fruits but I think my next trip will be a big one on pan cyans. Im hoping a big intense trip will give me some clarity and direction.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: truskool]
#16053046 - 04/06/12 02:31 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think my next trip will be a big one on pan cyans
Don't look for clarity and direction from copelandia. They're some of the darkest and most unpleasant of all the psilocybin containing mushrooms. If you want a clean trip, P mexicana or P cyanescens/azurescens is what you're looking for. RR
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: RogerRabbit]
#16053176 - 04/06/12 03:04 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think my next trip will be a big one on pan cyans
Don't look for clarity and direction from copelandia. They're some of the darkest and most unpleasant of all the psilocybin containing mushrooms. If you want a clean trip, P mexicana or P cyanescens/azurescens is what you're looking for. RR
I appreciate the advice. Sounds like the last thing I want is a big intense trip with them then. So your saying the mex fruit bodies or stones? And the more intense wood lovers. I guess im going to have to set up some beds then. Start some stones up too.
So roger about the post I posted before about undomesticated genes giving superior pin sets and flushes. Do you think that might be the case here? Thats a pretty wall to wall pinset which I havent seen too often in mex strains. I think cubes are way too domesticated. Id love to see what a print right from the wild produces. Or even just one that hasnt been domesticated. It seems most cubes are domesticated for speed or size cause those are two variables that we can easily see and breed for. Meanwhile its very possible that we bred uber potency out of a cube strain or something. Sure its very hard to breed for potency without alot of money in sophisticated machines. Even going through all the isolates that a single swipe on agar from MS makes can be a lengthy and serious PITA. IMO if your going to test out an isolate you should test it out in the method you are most likely to grow in. No point testing an isolate out on a cake when your a rye to manure sort of person. Id love to find wall to wall pinsets consistently from MS. I doubt its going to happen but a boy can dream
Also what do think on the 452 nm royal blue LED? I know from building LED's for growing weed that 452 is good in small amounts for chronic but fungus and plants are different. You suggest 6500k which is cool white. The fruit bodies do look pretty good under the royal blue tho.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: truskool]
#16053373 - 04/06/12 04:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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6500K and 452 nm are very similar in color/frequency. I prefer the Kelvin scale simply because household lamps are rated that way and they're what most of us have access to at the local supermarket or hardware store.
I'm on record as scoffing at the notion of 'domestication' of fungi. Wild animals were 'domesticated' to make them docile and prevent them from eating their caretakers. The only thing fungi are subjected to by growers is repeated inbreeding. That's not domestication. If you want stellar results, get a wild print and do a series of strain isolations. RR
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: RogerRabbit]
#16053462 - 04/06/12 04:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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The difference in morphology resulting from 453nm versus 6500k, the latter carrying far more white, is very significant. The 6500K lamp results in longer stems, smaller caps, and a tendency to fall over. The flush my friend just posted was fruited entirely under the True Lumen Actinic Blue LED 453nm 10" strip. You can see the results.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone] 2
#16053574 - 04/06/12 04:52 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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There is a Mystery here that we all intuit. It is what draws us toward establishing a living relationship with these sacred plants to begin with. This can literally take root in our consciousness, nourished by cultivation of our deepest capacities for intention and thus nourishing our awareness of our own innate potential as conscious manifestations of the Mystery. In my friend and myself, this has become the guiding principal of our lives. We have been touched by something deeply profound in our relationship with this manifestation of the living spirit, Los Santos Niños, and it speaks to and through us to those able to receive it. We wish you all the blessed good fortune to open to this awareness and be transformed by it as we have. This mystery has literally turned my previously self-focused life into one of service to humanity, as it has brought forth and nourished my highest aspirations and spiritual longing. As a young man, over 37 years ago, The Saint Children shaped my perceptions of what was possible for my life and directed me into a path of professional service, where I have had the great blessing of developing my compassion towards others into the illuminating awareness of our essential oneness. Through entering into the joys and sufferings of those I serve, letting go of all attachments, a new consciousness has been brought forth that is empty of self and thus able to reside in the fullness of Being and act in the world from that higher dimensional matrix of who we really are. Subtly and mysteriously shepherding us in this process has been our relationship, rooted in awe and the deepest respect, for the sacred spirit of the mushroom. If entered upon as a spiritual quest, this relationship has much to offer. The Mazatecs know this well, which is why it has been guarded very carefully for centuries. R. Gordon Wasson received this understanding from Maria Sabina and also tried to share it's essentially sacred nature in his writings. And we too have been handed the keys and are charged with the responsibility of fully receiving, embodying and transmitting the tradition. I pray we are able to live up to it's fullest potential.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone] 1
#16053729 - 04/06/12 05:43 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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One of the things that really struck me about the Mazatec approach to the magic-mushroom—in contrast to how it is often viewed in our own Western culture, is the degree to which the mushroom is appreciated and integrated by the Mazatec as an aspect of normal and everyday life. An old Mazatec grandmother or grandmother might exclaim in exasperation, ´I don´t know what is wrong with kids these days, they don´t even want to eat mushrooms anymore!´ Alot of how I try and relate to the mushroom has to do with really making a deliberate effort to simply carry myself with a certain basic integrity and decency. In a recent conversation with my dear friend Elfstone, he talked about praying to the mushroom that he might be able to carry himself with integrity and dignity. I really think this is a crucial aspect of relating to any of these sacred plants. What I think really ends up coming across in the Mazatec-ceremonial approach to the mushroom, their veneration of the mushroom as a disosito or niñito—a little precious one—is a very real and vital sense of the sacred in all of the little details of life. To me, the diositos—the precious little ones-- speak to the form of the sacred in the little details of our lives: the way we conduct ourselves on a daily basis.
For those of us who grow mushrooms at home, this attention to detail becomes essential to the entire process of cultivation. Sterile-culture work subsists and succeeds on the degree to which we pay attention to the little details of the process. One of the things really interesting to me in regards to the cultivation of mushrooms under sterile parameters is the use of the word ´culture´ in the first place. Because, what we are talking about here is something that we actively cultivate, domesticate, engender and develop as part of a symbiotic relationship with nature. In attending to the details, I believe what in fact happens is that we realize we are an intimately connected and wholly creative expression of nature itself: domestication, cultivation IS nature. Anthropologist Christian Ratsch talks about psychoactivity itself as being the ´fountain of culture.´ Across history, this symbiotic process we experience in regards to nature has been the source of profound shifts in human culture. Agriculture and animal husbandry extend far back into pre-history, and has been functional in the expansion of the human species across several niches on planet earth. Forest gardening and horticultural societies along jungle-clad river banks and wet foothills in monsoon regions effectively laid the foundations for the modern forms of civilization. Many anthropologists have argued that the division of labour subsequent to these forms of plant-human symbiosis are the elemental prima materia upon which higher cultural achievements such as graphics art, poetry, philosophy and epic literature are based. Yet, what is it precisely about the human-plant symbiosis that evolves such cultural innovation?
Gazing back into the roots of our own Western civilization, we find the mysteries at Eleusis which were arguably fueled by a human-plant relationship. In the works of the Pre-Socratic philosopher Empedocles—one of the father´s of science, western civilization and the theory of elements in chemistry--we find an elaborate symbology that utilizes plant metaphors in it´s enumeration,
´Here we need to remember the special importance Empedocles attached to describing the principles of love and repulsion in the world of plants; his self-declared expertise, as a sorcerer, in the field of plant remedies and magic; and the fact that, when he gives instructions to his disciple for mastering the magical power of his teaching, he specifically compares the process of nurturing his words with the process of tending and nurturing plants.´ (from pg. 299 of Peter Kingsley´s ´Ancient Philosophy, Mystery and Magic´)
So what is it about entering into a relationship with a plant that has this tendency to inspire cultural innovation and transformation? One of the really fascinating and interesting aspects of Rupert Sheldrake´s ´theory of morphic resonance' describes the manner in which new morphic fields are generated by the evolutionary process. In chapter four of Sheldrake´s ´A New Science of Life: The Hypothesis of Formative Causation,' he speculates as to the particular form and nature of what he calls ´morphogenetic germs,' observing that ´during morphogenesis a new higher-level morphic unit comes into being around this germ, under the influence of a specific morphogenetic field.´ So let me simply suggest that this observed association between human cultural innovation is a form of morphogenesis; the ´germ´ or ´soul' of a human being comes under the influence of the specific ´morphogenetic field of the plant.´
When the Mazatec refer to their diosito, they are in fact refering to this ´higher-level morphic unit´ that constellates around the soul of a being enraptured by the morphogenetic field of the mushroom-intelligence. In a very real sense then, you can describe the onset of the mushroom-ecstasy as being a process of incubation and gestation whereby the mushroom ingests your very mind in order to produce a higher-form and transformed entity. This is the true meaning of the Greek word from which ecstasy is derived, ekstasis or to be completely removed from oneself; the mushroom takes you outside of your limited ego-cocoon.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: RogerRabbit]
#16053779 - 04/06/12 05:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would actually 100% agree with what RR is saying here, which is why I would REALLY prefer that people not clone everything to high heaven; my use of the word ´domestication´ is colloquial in these posts. What we call ´cultivation´ or ´domestication' is really just an active process of harvesting wild-genetics, working with them in the lab-setting and then harvesting wild-genetics again: it´s a relationship with the wild/natural world. I think there is probably a limited lifespan to these strains in a lab sort of situation. So in terms of having a ´cultivation ethic,´ harvest as much wildspore material as you can and routinely return to it, then re-distribute those spores to keep the strain ´vital.´ 100% agree with RR here ...
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: truskool]
#16053842 - 04/06/12 06:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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piltzintli said: I have not tried the stones out on this one, I am not a big fan of the stones as they seem to give me a mild-allergic sort of response.
I personally thought the fruits on this one were quite potent, a half gram was pretty solid and I think a gram would lay me down flat. Very friendly, pure and clean though. I am ALL about ´purity´ when it comes to the sort of mushroom I prefer to take.
What in your opinion is the purest? Im not a big mushroom fan and would prefer to eat the purest cleanest I could to trip on when the opportunity arises that I am ready for a trip. I dont mind stones and mex fruits but I think my next trip will be a big one on pan cyans. Im hoping a big intense trip will give me some clarity and direction.
Copelandia has been a pretty wicked-mean mushroom in my experience, they have kind of a forceful vibe to them. I sort of think of it as if the mushroom has been ´infected´ or ´distorted´ somehow. I worked with an ayahuasca shaman who had a REAL negative attitude about mushrooms. After my second or third ayahuasca session with him, I went out to the field adjacent to where we were doing our ceremonies and the field was COVERED in Copelandia cyanescens. They are potent but a little vicious in my experience.
I stick with mexicana these days, basically ... zapotecorum was good when I ate it with the mazatec, seemed fairly clear. But, I would like to explore that one more thoroughly before declaring a verdict.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
#16053868 - 04/06/12 06:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thank you for the advice. Advice im surely going to take. By both yours and rr's statements on them I think im best to stay away. Its weird mushrooms have been the most profound aspect in my life. They have changed so much of it in so many ways. I barely do them. The only thing I have ever had a passion for in my life is growing mushrooms. There is something so beautiful and majestic in mycellium and fruit bodies. If I told any of my real life friends they would think ive lost my mind. Thank god for shroomery cause i know there are others out there like me
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
#16054199 - 04/06/12 07:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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elfstone said: The difference in morphology resulting from 453nm versus 6500k, the latter carrying far more white, is very significant. The 6500K lamp results in longer stems, smaller caps, and a tendency to fall over. The flush my friend just posted was fruited entirely under the True Lumen Actinic Blue LED 453nm 10" strip. You can see the results.
I noticed the difference in the two grows.
I'm curious how much of that might be related to intensity. As we know, the intensity of light decreases by roughly the square of the distance from the source. Watts/Lux play a big part here too, not just frequency. Long stems and a tendency to fall over(CO2 concentrations being equal) indicate insufficient light to supply the energy needs of the developing fungus. It might be interesting to compare using a high-end light meter.
In our mushroom farm, we initially used 100% LED lighting. After the second year, performance as measured by number of pinheads and weight of finished product was not quite up to par, a problem which was fixed by adding a few high wattage CFL lamps to supplement the LEDs. RR
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