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piltzintli
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
#16032800 - 04/02/12 09:13 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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The above sclerotia-inoculated grain mixture cased with a half-inch layer of pasteurized peat moss:CaCO3 at a ratio of 4:1 by volume, under a 10inch strip of 452nm blue-actinic LED array (rec´d by elfstone via anne halonium)
Day 1 pinset:

Day 2 pinset:

Day 3 pinset:

and my fruiting chamber with airstone/airpump and the LED:

From what I can tell, they really do respond nicely to the LED; I will do series of photos to look at the difference in morphology between those grown with the LED and those grown under fluoro. My initial observation is that they def. respond positively to the LED, the stems appear a bit thickened and the caps have a brighter and more vital color. The stems seem to have more of a golden-tone than when I have grown the same species with the same fruiting media under fluoro. These LEDs are a real winner I think ...
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
#16037602 - 04/03/12 09:40 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Day 4:

These def appear more as they did in their natural setting in Huautla, as compared to the first batch grown under fluorescent lights.
Edited by piltzintli (04/03/12 09:42 AM)
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
#16037666 - 04/03/12 10:00 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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What are the average day and night time temperatures in their native habitat during fruiting season? RR
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: RogerRabbit]
#16037897 - 04/03/12 11:09 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would say that temperatures fluctuate from anywhere between the mid-60s at night to the mid-90s during the day; Huautla can actually get pretty darned hot during the mushroom season. On average, I would say the temperature was in the 80s during the day and 60s at night. It never freezes out there, but can get brisk to a bit frigid during the fall as the temps cool. I was sort of surprised by the general climate up there, it was dryer than I imagined; I was actually reminded of like a Southern California sort of mediterranean climate.
I incubate my casings using a heat-lamp that gets the temperature up into the mid-80s. Under the LEDs, the temp gets down to the low-70s.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
#16038012 - 04/03/12 11:45 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the report. That rules out any sort of outdoor fruiting up here. We only get about half a dozen days each summer where the temp breaks into the 80s, and last year we only had one 90 degree day all summer. It drops into the 30s at night, sometimes forming frost even in July and August.  RR
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
#16038379 - 04/03/12 01:38 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lovely work!!
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piltzintli
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
#16039311 - 04/03/12 04:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looking very nice -
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
#16041326 - 04/04/12 12:25 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi piltzintli,
Is this the same species as elfstones? Your fruit bodies look a lot closer to P. galindoi than they do P. mexicana!
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: inski]
#16041868 - 04/04/12 06:57 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, it is the same species as elfstone´s; a strain of Ps. mexicana I collected along the eastern slope of the Chicon Nindo Tokosho mountain circa Huautla de Jimenez during last year´s season.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli] 2
#16041916 - 04/04/12 07:22 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Probably the last photo for awhile, but you get the picture -

Definitely the very same species elfstone grew out, as I provided the original material on this species/strain. What you are observing I think is a natural result of the high-level of genetic diversity within a wild strain; with cloning, this spectrum of diverse phenotypes might not be observed. This is speculative, but I am not a big fan of cloning for this reason: strain senescence is promoted as you select out certain characteristics. Observing the differences here in terms of morphology suggests that it might be useful to vary the environmental parameters to achieve the desired results. This also gives the species-strain the opportunity to express latent characteristics. I would definitely like to see more conversation in general on how to prevent strain-senescence, as I have observed it in some of the classic strains of cubensis (Terence Mckenna´s ´syzygy' strain being a prime example). Compare the above photo with this one, which is the exact same species and strain inoculated from the exact same petri and with the exact same formula in the fruiting media as well as casing layer, but grown out under 6500K fluorescent instead of 452nm blue-LED -

I think we can reasonably assume that the differences in morphology are the direct result of the light itself, which is very interesting to me. Thank you anne halonium for this fascinating insight into the mushroom grow-cycle. You notice in the second image, several of the caps have topped over as a result of stretching in the stem. The first photo looks more as they appeared in their natural setting.
Edited by piltzintli (04/04/12 08:10 AM)
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
#16041952 - 04/04/12 07:41 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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One of the interesting morphological contrasts between elf´s fruiting and the one I am showing above: if you look at the stems in the most recent photos, most of them will have a thin brownish-stripe that goes up the stem to the cap. We have speculated that this morphological characteristic is a function of differences in the fruiting media. My fruiting media actually contained a blend of grass-seed as well as wheat bran (as well as oatmeal, which I think is essential in mexicana). I suspect perhaps the wheat bran is what gives it that little ´racing stripe.´
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
#16041976 - 04/04/12 07:49 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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The depth of field is too narrow in most of your pics, consider shooting in manual mode with a tripod and the smallest aperture you can.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#16042029 - 04/04/12 08:12 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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good idea Alan, I miss my old dSLR ... all I have right now is a lil' point and shoot. But yea, I can adjust the f-stop manually I bet.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli] 2
#16042324 - 04/04/12 10:08 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Elfstone requested that I write a bit about my general experience of the more traditional Mazatec ceremonial form of mushroom gnosis, I just wanted to write something brief up on the proper attitude by which the higher-level openings in mushroom-work can occur. During and around the mushroom season of 2010, I spent somewhere approaching nine months studying and experiencing the original form of Mazatec mushroom shamanism in Huautla de Jimenez, situated amongst mountains in the northern part of the Mexican state of Oaxaca. For those versed in psychedelic mushroom lore, Huautla de Jimenez is where ethnomycologist Gordon Wasson first experienced the awesome and wondrous effects of the sacred mushroom as recorded in the May 13th issue of Life magazine. During my stay in Huautla de Jimenez, I was living perhaps 200 yards from Maria Sabina’s house; I met at least one of her grandchildren during my stay. Ultimately, there is very little information overall on the pattern and technique of the traditional Mazatec use of sacred mushrooms; the work of Gordon Wasson remains the primary resource for an original and inspired sense of how sacred mushrooms have traditionally been used. A good curriculum on the subject would include the works and articles of Gordon Wasson, Alvaro Estrada, Jerome Rothenberg, Henry Munn, and Thomas Riedlinger. Ralph Metzner’s introduction to ‘Sacred Mushroom of Visions: Teonanacatl’ gives a wonderful overview of the general subject that is sacred fungi. Metzner’s analysis of original source material in the Florentine Codex as recorded by Franciscan Bernardino de Sahagun, provides a cogent overview of some of the original functions of traditional mushroom usage.
To this day, the ancient tradition of the sacred mushroom itself is fairly shrouded in mystery and obscurity; traditional Mazatec are really quite discrete and unassuming in regards to the mushroom itself. The sacred mushroom is not a typical topic of casual conversation amongst the more traditional Mazatec; you would never expect to have a casual conversation with an old Mazatec grandmother about mushrooms. Ultimately, I have come to feel that there is something profoundly mercurial about the sacred mushroom itself; something that does not lend itself easily or readily to language and intellectual understanding. I view the sacred mushroom as a profound and resilient well-spring of original gnosis and wise guidance. Furthermore, I have come to view the sacred mushroom as a very good friend whom treats me with kindness and positive regard (and gives me the occasional and stern lecture should I need it). Central to the Mazatec understanding is this essential sense of kinship with the mushroom as a living well-spring of guidance, healing, deepened understanding and positively adjusted faith and forbearance. In the Mazatec ceremony, it is common that a person might incense the mushrooms before taking them and silently whisper or pray over them with tender terms of endearment. The Mazatec will affectionately refer—in adorational tones, to the mushroom as if it were a child or a family member: ‘my little children’, ‘my little holy children’, ‘my little holy saint children’, or simply ‘my little ones.’ A mushroom adept might speak to the mushroom in specific terms, addressing it directly: ‘do not worry my little children, it is only me: please help *so and so* tonight.’ The mushroom is not shared casually amongst people, but tends to be experienced between people on the most intimate levels possible, inculcating deep and resonant forms of empathic understanding between those souls captivated by the hierophanic mushroom-vision. In speaking of the sacred mushrooms as ‘flowers that inebriate’, the old Nahua poets write,
“Tell us, O priest, whence come The flowers that inebriate? The songs that inebriate?” (Poesia Nahuatl 1 p 77)
“Only flowers are our wealth: Through them friendship between us grows, And through our song sadness vanishes.” (Poesia Nahuatl 1 p 47)
The mushroom develops a powerful sense of friendship, trust and mutual understanding between adepts enraptured by the mushroomic ecstasy. The basic attitude is one encompassed by an icon quite typical of the Mazatec ceremonial altar: el santo niño de atocha. The mushroom is spoken to directly by using variations on the diminutive-form in Spanish, expressing a very unique and discrete form of affection and empathic understanding between the neophyte and his plant-teacher. In Gordon Wasson´s seminal ´The Wondrous Mushroom,' he convincingly argues that el santo niño de atocha is a local and christianized adaptation and form of the more archaic Nahua-child and plunging elf-god Piltzintli. My own altar contains an image of el santo niño de atocha, as in the below image:

What tends to escape the notice of contemporary magic-mushroom enthusiasts in our day and age, is that this adapted form of reverential-diminutive awe expressed in Mazatec prayer to the diositos (little gods) speaks directly to an ancient and powerful form of gnosis and emotional-intelligence that links us not only directly to the natural world, but the very world of the higher-sensorium. In my next post, I will talk about this higher-sensorial principle I refer to as the ´principle of discrete intelligence,' and how it relates to mushroom cultivation itself. With particular emphasis on Rupert Sheldrake´s theory of morphic resonance, I hope to suggest that through cultivating mushrooms we enter into a very special and unique sort of evolutionary relationship with both the mushroom, nature, and our own higher-sensorium itself (what Henry Corbin refers to as the Mundus Imaginalis).
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
#16043101 - 04/04/12 01:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Very interesting!! 
Can I ask if your stay and study was part of a degree program or other academic nature, or more of a personal quest?
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: husmmoor]
#16043574 - 04/04/12 02:34 PM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thank you for this wonderful information. I find these things very helpful
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: husmmoor] 2
#16046770 - 04/05/12 08:16 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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I studied anthropology at UCLA back in the 90s, left the college-academic environment to study Buddhism and Eastern Religion in India circa 2000. I studied ayahuasca shamanism in Peru about four years ago, and have studied peyote shamanism with the NAC up in South Dakota. I tend to encourage academics and scientific inquiry as a pursuit--education is a powerful means of improving the quality of one´s life, but I have typically found the academic environment to be a bit stifling. Much of the general millieu of academics and intellectualism is driven--in my experience, by histrionic narcissism and a ruthless sort of egotism that subsists on success, achievement and competition. There is healthy competition but In a way, I have come to view this histrionic narcissism that is so central to academic pursuit as being a compensation for a lack in emotional intelligence; and in particular, a lack in what I consider to be the highest form of emotional intelligence ... ethical intelligence. Ethical intelligence is grounded in a very particular sort of empathic perception, it is a sort of finely tuned instrument that can look deeply into sensory phenomenon and experience others as one´s own self. In my experience, sacred mushrooms are almost entirely about the cultivation of ethical-spiritual intelligence. Having strong role-models helps; Elfstone has been a good friend and role-model to me for 15 years now. Spiritual friendship is essential in inculcating, developing and growing the seed of spiritual-empathic intelligence once it has been planted.
I am of the opinion that when it comes down to it, all learning is self-directed. Sacred mushrooms have honestly been my primary passion and source of revelation since I was young. Having extensively studied most all of the contemplative and mystical religions on planet earth--I even lived as a Theravadan monk in Thailand for awhile, I actually have come the conclusion that the sacred mushroom is bar none the single most profound source of spiritual revelation I have ever known. In many ways, I do think it is a calling: a plant calls out to you and you become a student of that plant.
So to answer your question, it has largely been a personal quest or journey. For me, the journey ended out in Huautla de Jimenez during my first ceremony standing in front of the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe on the Mazatec altar. I am actually immensely relieved for that, as I have spent many years out of country ´On The Road´ seeking something for much of my life. An energy of pure benediction and grace descended through the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe (what the Greeks and Gnostics call the Sophia-goddess, source of wisdom) and touched me in a very deep way ... the mushroom is really and truly a marvelous spiritual grace if you pursue it with purity of heart and an eye towards kindness and compassion.
But I encourage people to pursue academic work; I am currently a student of psychology and nursing, and plan on going to graduate school. In truth, any personal journey is only worthwhile if you bring something back for the benefit of others ... we are very much here to love one another, and all that other sorta hippy nonsense!
muchas benevidas!
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli] 1
#16046784 - 04/05/12 08:23 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looking really pretty I think ... thanks Allan for recommendations on the camera, unfortunately the tightest aperture is a 4.5. But, you get the picture:

makes yer heart sing!
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
#16046802 - 04/05/12 08:31 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Damn, that is such a beastly strain!
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: OoBYCoO]
#16047293 - 04/05/12 11:21 AM (12 years, 1 month ago) |
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Holy hell that is a flush of mexicana
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