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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #15954278 - 03/16/12 05:18 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: eLShaMukO]
    #15959251 - 03/17/12 11:30 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yes intresting that they cultivate the P.Galindoi.
Do you know if they harvest the fruitbodies or the stones?


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #15959888 - 03/17/12 03:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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BTW - the galindoi strain is being cultivated by growers in Huatla de Jimenez and employed by the people living there.  Apparently it is well appreciated.






How do you know its Galindoi that they are growing?  Galindoi is a species, not a strain.

I am going to Huautla de Jiminez in a couple months.  Its a weird place.  Other parts of Oaxaca are more friendly.  The indians never smile.  And many don't speak english or spanish.  Huautla is full of police, they have one on every corner downtown.  They searched me because I was taking pictures of mushroom art at night.  They didn't find anything though.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 1
    #15963276 - 03/18/12 12:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

An American expatriate is cultivating them for the locals, among other exotics.  My friend travelled all the way to Huatla de Jimenez to be offered galindoi stones in a ceremony.  I know the person who collected the galindoi mushrooms off his lawn in Georgia.  Turns out it is a small world, indeed.

The Mazatecan people have had to face years of less than conscious seekers of the magic mushrooms flooding their town and are justifiably wary of outsiders.  Thieir culture was remote enough and sufficiently wise to guard the mystery for over 5 centuries.  We have benefitted from their tradition of caution and circumspection around this most sacred mystery.  Fortunately for us, the mushrooms have their own agenda, and, like ayahuasca, are now making their way into our world.  Some of us have been graced to have the deeper mysteries revealed.  We truly wish our broader community to have the opportunity for this too.  A gift to all of us from the humble, quiet People of the Deer (the Mazatecans).


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 2
    #15974423 - 03/20/12 10:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I know they are cultivating Ps. galindoi up there because I visually inspected live-specimens with my own eyes; I am wholly familiar with the species and lived in Huautla de Jimenez for nine months. Both fruitbodies and sclerotia are used; the sclerotia are referred to using the Spanish word 'camote,' which means sweet potatoe.

I harvested spores from Ps. zapotecorum, as well as what appears to be Ps. caerulescens var. mazatecorum, as well as the Chicon Nindo or Tokosho strain of Ps. mexicana being discussed in this thread. Another series of specimens were identified to me by a local-'shaman' as being 'pajaritos' (aka Ps. mexicana), but did not behave like a typical mexicana/'pajarito' at all. Currently, this species is unidentified but apparently active.

Huautla de Jimenez itself is a tough nut to crack. I would not approach Huautla with the idea of being warmly and openly welcomed. I think the incentive to spend time in a place like Huautla has to be pretty high, as it is a tricky and slippery sort of place. I def. recommend treading lightly when it comes to shamans and the mushroom-ceremony they offer. My honest recommendation is to just go there and patiently wait for the right situation to arise ... make sure you really feel good about the shaman you are working with. I know this sounds crazy, but I feel like I can tell the real and sincere shaman by a certain shining glimmer in their eyes ... by that I mean to say, use wise intuition.

If you think about it, the influence of westerners in Huautla has been pretty catastrophic; Sabina herself blamed Wasson for silencing her precious 'ninitos.' You are a stranger in a strange land, don't take it personally ...

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Mateo] * 1
    #15974465 - 03/20/12 11:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Unfortunately, scale is not really clear in this image. The stones featured on top of the fruiting media here were culled from three quart jars of the chicon nindo or tokosho strain of mexicana in this thread; the one to the left was about three inches wide and maybe an inch thick ... quite a hunk of sclerotia really. I did not weigh it. Just buried all the sclerotia in the fruiting medium and cased with peat moss/CaCO3 ... vamos a ver!

These jars were a good six months old.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
    #15975452 - 03/21/12 08:51 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Makes me hungry. 

I've always preferred stones over fruits, although for most people it's the other way around.  Either way, thanks for posting.
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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #15975804 - 03/21/12 10:26 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

That's interesting; I tend to get a mild allergic-type response with the sclerotia ... the roof of my mouth will swell slightly and become irritated. Within the first hour or so, I get mild and transient-nausea. The last time I had mexicana sclerotia, I had harvested a bag and popped a fresh sclerotia about half the size of the one on the left of this image. I guess I didn't realize it was such a big dose ... alien probe time! Boy I was glad when I came off that experience, threw on The Beatles 'Yellow Submarine' and it all made too much sense *giggle*.

Galindoi sclerotia seemed a tad milder to me in this regard. I tell you what, I was pretty gassed when I was offered sclerotia at a 'traditional' ceremony in Huautla ... I didn't know the species initially, but got to inspect outdoor fruiting-patches subsequently.

I am def. looking forward to getting more feedback on this mexicana here; they sure seem potent to me. When you harvest a strain in the wild and take it back to the cleanroom/flowhood/lab and work it all out for domestic cultivation, I think alot of your heart and soul is poured into it all ... as a result, I feel I am pretty much totally and completely biased. A couple years ago, my sensitivity to psilocybin went through the roof; two grams of potent cubensis became easily as strong as a solid five gram experience used to be. I almost wonder if I am not just genetically hard-wired for the stuff ...

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
    #15976577 - 03/21/12 01:57 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I know they are cultivating Ps. galindoi up there because I visually inspected live-specimens with my own eyes; I am wholly familiar with the species and lived in Huautla de Jimenez for nine months. Both fruitbodies and sclerotia are used; the sclerotia are referred to using the Spanish word 'camote,' which means sweet potatoe.





How do you know that the species is P. galindoi?  Did you check them out under a microscope?  That is a hard species to ID macroscopically - there are several close lookalikes in section Mexicanae.

When I went to huautla last year I brought a microscope and checked out the mushrooms a shaman sold us.  There were 5 species - P. zapoteorum, caerulescens, hoogshagenii, and 2 Psilocybe species that are new to science.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #15976824 - 03/21/12 02:50 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

No ... we were not doing microscopy, all I can tell you is that the mycologist growing them was professionaly trained having worked with both Paul Stamets and John Holliday. He obtained the original spore material from a reputable source and said they were galindoi; I visually inspected and ate them myself, everything matched up. I have no reason to believe otherwise.

My own personal interest was more in connecting with the original tradition itself on it's own terms. I tend to relate to the central mushroom-mystery from a place of empathic-emotional intelligence, and have consistently found that the indigenous groups I have worked with--the navajo and lakota NAC, the shipibo and mazatec, are far more responsive to empathic-sensitivity and intelligence vs. rote scientistic accumen (which they tend to view with suspicion as being somewhat childish and imposing).

I have lived and worked with indigenous peoples for about 8 years now; the issue is less one of 'how I know what I know,' and more 'how can I learn and be receptive to what these people have to offer.' I have found they really appreciate that sort of humility and inquisitive kindheartedness.

Keep us abreast of your discoveries.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: Alan Rockefeller] * 2
    #15977206 - 03/21/12 04:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The one 'odd species' I found grew at the base of oak trees, in mossy sections along forest trails. You would find one or two specimens beneath the trees.

Microscopy holds some interest for me, that's neat to see your collections over at the mushroomobserver; we probably collected the very same strain of zapotecorum, which I heard called by the mazatec name nii'kii'shro, which I was told means 'the little ones that speak.' This seemed to be the preferred one out there, but the current state of the mushroom tradition out in huautla is pretty mercurial and nebulous.

My fascination is with the mushroom-ceremony itself. At 13 years old, I came across an image in some sort of encyclopedia of a mazatec woman incensing mushrooms with copal in her out-stretched hand. The image had a powerful and magickal impact on me. In one of the great and synchronous events of my life, later that very same day I was walking out of the boy's locker room and a friend of mine reached into his overcoat and pulled out a bag that contained psilo mushrooms, handed it to me and said 'take these.' I went home and ate the entire bag, which was a good 7grams. It changed my life, really.

The way I experience these mushrooms is kind of weird I think, I experience them with great affection and reverence. In a way, I very much feel like these mushrooms are members of my family. This is probably an old prototypical way in which humans have related to plants over the millenia; I have encountered this attitude in all of the shamanic-plant traditions I have studied endemically. A peyote roadman performing a ceremony within walking distance of the wounded knee massacre site would refer to the buttons affectionately with the phrase 'kind grandfather;' a shipibo would pray to the ayahuasca vine as 'madre' while harvesting it. There is an old tradition that says the plants once spoke ... I think they still do.

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: piltzintli]
    #15989010 - 03/24/12 08:10 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)



just want to follow this thread :smile:

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: x7x_x7x]
    #15991150 - 03/24/12 06:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Using this light source:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005LIN99K/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details

which includes both Actinic Blue 420 and 6500K light sources, the caps of the 2nd flush appear more umbonate:





I just hung up this Truelumen LED Actinic Blue 453:

http://www.amazon.com/TrueLumen-Aquatic-10-Inch-4-453nm-LED/dp/B003XXAE84/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1332711647&sr=8-6

and will observe the effects under this on the developing pins:



The strips come with an adhesive strip, which stuck perfectly on the inside of the lid of the box:



Should prove interesting...stay tuned....

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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #15991218 - 03/24/12 07:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Looking awesome:omgawesome:
So is there a name for this new strain?  Isnt this a new species? How did the first flush print?  Sorry for all the questions.


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: truskool]
    #15991918 - 03/24/12 10:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It is Ps. Mexicana collected from the slopes of the Chicon Nindo mountainside within a couple hundred yards of Maria Sabina's former home in Juatla de Jimenez by my friend Piltzintli above.  He is calling it the Chicon Nindo strain.

The first flush printed just fine, using petri dishes, glass slides, and a syringe with a 27g needle to put distiller water on the tops of the caps 2x daily to keep them from dessicating while they produce spores.  Works well for all the petite species,mincluding galindoi, mexicana, and tampanensis.


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #15992557 - 03/25/12 02:17 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Very very cool man.  The water is a good idea.  Maybe thats why I had the issues the caps drying out.  Hopefully someday soon ill be able to get some of these spores


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #15993023 - 03/25/12 08:01 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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and a syringe with a 27g needle to put distiller water on the tops of the caps 2x daily to keep them from dessicating while they produce spores.




agree, good idea.


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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: x7x_x7x]
    #15994241 - 03/25/12 02:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

A couple more photos under the Truelumen Actinic Blue 453nm.  The caps seem to respond readily, spreading out and showing the classic umbonate shape:





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Re: New strain of Ps. Mexicana from Eastern slope of Chicon Nindo in Huatla de Jimenez [Re: elfstone]
    #15996287 - 03/25/12 09:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Looking very nice.

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    #15996291 - 03/25/12 09:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Looking very nice.

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