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Big_Sexy
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Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics
#15915552 - 03/07/12 06:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok so I kinda did a twist in Transcending Life's one flush wonder tek. I used 8 quarts spawn (milo) +2 bricks Coir + 4 quarts coarse vermiculite +0.6 Quarts Gypsum Everything has been going perfect......until THESE SHIT PINSETS! Not just one shit pinset, 4 different tubs all with shitty pinsets. I let them have direct sunlight for about 30 minutes and that didn't seem to help much (its been 2 days now). Im lost, i know the humidity is 100%, i have a lot of air exchange, and 23watt 6500k CFLs(100watt eq.). Please help guys, any ideas or takes are much appreciated. Oh the tubs weigh 37.8lb each, so I would think they've got to produce a gooooood amount of mushies, right! I think i put to much gypsum in, thats the only thing i can think of.
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: Big_Sexy]
#15915607 - 03/07/12 06:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would suggesting taking some clones from immature pins to expand to new grain spawn and eventually new tubs.
Looks like a typical MS grow, sometimes you get a few random fruits, sometimes you get a wall to wall pinset, it all depends.
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: Big_Sexy]
#15915651 - 03/07/12 06:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Idk but I hope someone can help. I'm about to start my first mono so I'll be watching this thread. Bet of luck to you
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: werDehT]
#15915697 - 03/07/12 07:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just cross your fingers and hope for a killer 2nd flush.
Good Luck!
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15916294 - 03/07/12 08:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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EvilMushroom666 said: I would suggesting taking some clones from immature pins to expand to new grain spawn and eventually new tubs.
Looks like a typical MS grow, sometimes you get a few random fruits, sometimes you get a wall to wall pinset, it all depends.
totally agree here many ppl dun realize that ms is always a crap shoot
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: dragonnreeferr]
#15916490 - 03/07/12 09:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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totally agree here many ppl dun realize that ms is always a crap shoot
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: Thirty30]
#15916544 - 03/07/12 09:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, MS can be quite variable... Have you tried increasing evaporation from the substrate surface( misting and fanning)? Also, is the temp where you're fruiting different from where you had them when colonizing the substrate? The slight drop in temp could encourage fruiting.
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: fungusapien]
#15916645 - 03/07/12 09:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It looks like maybe your moving them around a lot and its breaking up the substrate. I had a tub do this when I moved it from colonizing to fruiting conditions.
It produced a pretty poor first flush but then the second was pretty awesome.
With MS I get one really outstanding tub for every 3 that I make. However even the other two do very well.
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: Big_Sexy]
#15916661 - 03/07/12 09:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Big_Sexy said: Ok so I kinda did a twist in Transcending Life's one flush wonder tek. I used 8 quarts spawn (milo) +2 bricks Coir + 4 quarts coarse vermiculite +0.6 Quarts Gypsum Everything has been going perfect......until THESE SHIT PINSETS! Not just one shit pinset, 4 different tubs all with shitty pinsets. I let them have direct sunlight for about 30 minutes and that didn't seem to help much (its been 2 days now). Im lost, i know the humidity is 100%, i have a lot of air exchange, and 23watt 6500k CFLs(100watt eq.). Please help guys, any ideas or takes are much appreciated. Oh the tubs weigh 37.8lb each, so I would think they've got to produce a gooooood amount of mushies, right! I think i put to much gypsum in, thats the only thing i can think of.

Why are the substrates cracked down the middle? Im not too familiar with bulk grows but they might be dehydrated.
Im no expert
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: billycorgan55]
#15916743 - 03/07/12 10:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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billycorgan55 said:
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Big_Sexy said: Ok so I kinda did a twist in Transcending Life's one flush wonder tek. I used 8 quarts spawn (milo) +2 bricks Coir + 4 quarts coarse vermiculite +0.6 Quarts Gypsum Everything has been going perfect......until THESE SHIT PINSETS! Not just one shit pinset, 4 different tubs all with shitty pinsets. I let them have direct sunlight for about 30 minutes and that didn't seem to help much (its been 2 days now). Im lost, i know the humidity is 100%, i have a lot of air exchange, and 23watt 6500k CFLs(100watt eq.). Please help guys, any ideas or takes are much appreciated. Oh the tubs weigh 37.8lb each, so I would think they've got to produce a gooooood amount of mushies, right! I think i put to much gypsum in, thats the only thing i can think of.

Why are the substrates cracked down the middle? Im not too familiar with bulk grows but they might be dehydrated.
Im no expert
Excellent question sir!
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: billycorgan55]
#15916753 - 03/07/12 10:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sure seems to me the amount of growing mushrooms is inversely relative to amount of big substrate cracks from moving tubs.
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: Violet]
#15916804 - 03/07/12 10:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Violet said: Sure seems to me the amount of growing mushrooms is inversely relative to amount of big substrate cracks from moving tubs.
Is this based on only these pictures or other experiences as well?
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: Violet]
#15916807 - 03/07/12 10:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have found if you let your tubs consolidate at least 5 days my pinsets go from looking like yours to wall to wall
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: truskool]
#15916885 - 03/07/12 10:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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perhaps you initiating to fruiting too soon?
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: elkart]
#15916887 - 03/07/12 10:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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your pinset wasn't sufficient enough prior to initiation
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: truskool]
#15916939 - 03/07/12 11:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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truskool said: I have found if you let your tubs consolidate at least 5 days my pinsets go from looking like yours to wall to wall
Good point! How long did you let your Tubs consolidate after 100% consolidation?
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: werDehT]
#15918001 - 03/08/12 06:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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werDehT said:
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Violet said: Sure seems to me the amount of growing mushrooms is inversely relative to amount of big substrate cracks from moving tubs.
Is this based on only these pictures or other experiences as well?
I've only had one similar experience, a tray that did this when I moved t in colonization never fruited and contaminated. But these pictures of FOUR increasingly damaged and decreasingly mushi populated tubs tell the story much better...
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: Violet]
#15918085 - 03/08/12 06:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Had a tub of coir do the same w Africans. Seems coir is like that. Over the coarse of a mo.th it did really well. Like 5-6 flushes and about an oz of each after the first flush. Defy held me over for the winter.
Had a tub w h pool that gave about one and a half dry each flush for three flushes. The first two were the bulk the third flush was like 3\4 of an oz dry. Both tubs African t from ralphsters, third gen spores print from og syringe.
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: Violet]
#15919266 - 03/08/12 12:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Violet said:
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werDehT said:
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Violet said: Sure seems to me the amount of growing mushrooms is inversely relative to amount of big substrate cracks from moving tubs.
Is this based on only these pictures or other experiences as well?
I've only had one similar experience, a tray that did this when I moved t in colonization never fruited and contaminated. But these pictures of FOUR increasingly damaged and decreasingly mushi populated tubs tell the story much better...
I see. I will keep this in mind. Thank you.
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: werDehT]
#15919590 - 03/08/12 01:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It was my first set of trays, the only ones where I used aluminum. Got two reasons not to use them in one grow alone, they ate holes in the other tray, and this.
OP, you might have tubs with saggy/slacky bottoms that have give to them. When you pick it up, it gives in the middle, and when you set down it pops up. Many tubs are this way. It can be a real problem though.
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: truskool]
#15921781 - 03/08/12 08:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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elkart said: your pinset wasn't sufficient enough prior to initiation
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truskool said: I have found if you let your tubs consolidate at least 5 days my pinsets go from looking like yours to wall to wall
I wish this was the case. I let them consolidate an extra week after the 1st pins came up having this in mind, until i introduced FC.
Edited by Big_Sexy (03/08/12 08:24 PM)
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: Violet]
#15921810 - 03/08/12 08:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Violet said:
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werDehT said:
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Violet said: Sure seems to me the amount of growing mushrooms is inversely relative to amount of big substrate cracks from moving tubs.
Is this based on only these pictures or other experiences as well?
I've only had one similar experience, a tray that did this when I moved t in colonization never fruited and contaminated. But these pictures of FOUR increasingly damaged and decreasingly mushi populated tubs tell the story much better...
I think its irrelevant. The substates where cracked in the process 0f moving them outside to get some fresh sunlight, and its merely small surface tears, not deep fissures. I think this is just how coir acts, Ive used straw and it never cracks when moved. All the pins in the pictures where there before they were moved and WHEN NO CRACKS WHERE present SO........
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: werDehT]
#15921817 - 03/08/12 08:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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werDehT said:
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Violet said: Sure seems to me the amount of growing mushrooms is inversely relative to amount of big substrate cracks from moving tubs.
Is this based on only these pictures or other experiences as well?
people are just speculating
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#15921853 - 03/08/12 08:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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EvilMushroom666 said: I would suggesting taking some clones from immature pins to expand to new grain spawn and eventually new tubs.
Looks like a typical MS grow, sometimes you get a few random fruits, sometimes you get a wall to wall pinset, it all depends.
Ive got some jars cooking as we speak, there just about ready to be expanded!!!!!!
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: Big_Sexy]
#15922168 - 03/08/12 09:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice quadruple post.
You confirmed my 'speculation' too
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: Violet]
#15926434 - 03/09/12 08:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I know right I forgot to check the thread for a couple of days so i wanted to address everything
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: Big_Sexy]
#15926534 - 03/09/12 08:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Personally I would take the polyfill completely out of the holes to provide more FAE. I think that by moving them outside is doing more harm than good because your sub is cracking and bending, causing deep fissures which damage the mycelial body.
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Re: Help me with my shit Pinset Please! Damien Tek with pics [Re: ambargh]
#15926643 - 03/09/12 08:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I like your sig. I put them outside so they could get some natural sunlight to induce pinning better. But i don't get why the cracks would really matter unless they were cracked all the way through and abundant. I thought mycelium was like the internet, containing nodes that re-route nutrients when an interruption occurs?
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